Sorcs!!
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Sorcs have not got any new abilities in new frontiers that suddenly makes them overpowered. The sorc rr5 ability is strong, but it doesnt replace a BG and usually there are nukers to kill the sorc anyway, so there are many fights where its not even usefull. All other things the sorc have access to, other casters have access to as well.
To me it sounds more like people are unable to revise a good strategy with their new frontier tools and as a poor excuse resort to call the sorc overpowered.
To me it sounds more like people are unable to revise a good strategy with their new frontier tools and as a poor excuse resort to call the sorc overpowered.
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Glottis said:I tell them so you retards can actually understand the amount of bullshit you guys are talking. 3 Ubah classes vs one ubah class for Albion and yet you all complain like your being taken by a 3 meter talk black dude...
Regards, Glottis
PS. Merry fecking Christmas
And which _are_ the 3 ubah classes again?
Savages got nerfed a long time ago and are certainly not uber anymore, zerks got nerfed too (remember the big LA nerf cry-out?), and you're saying healers are overpowered too? Or was that someone else.. either way, healers aren't overpowered.. well, as a support class they are invaluable, but you need atleast 2 in a good full group if you expect to survive more than 1 attack in fg size. They don't have any offensive utility, but only CC in pac, heals in mend and support in aug (celerity/haste/resist buffs). The only bullshit I'm seeing here are the people who try to argue why 1 class can be overpowered because 3 other classes are too (the "he got a toy I want one too" thing..), and the 3 classes mentioned aren't even overpowered. Why not argue why the sorc might _not_ be overpowered and that it actually takes skill to play a good sorc? I have no idea myself how difficult a sorc is to play, and wether or not they have an "I-win button", but I do know, that they are an extreme pain in the ass to meet in frontiers unless you have casters with you yourself and get lucky with mezz.
nuff said.
Merry Christmas you filthy animal
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All this thread is so full of bullshit and crybabies that is not even funny!
Sorcs are overpowered in certain situations (if you are RR5+, you have MoC3, you are ML9 convoker, he's buffed whit a buffed pet and your oponents doesnt have a clue or are meleers), but i can list a lot of classes that, in equal terms, can and will kill any sorcerer, remember to compare (sp?) apples whit apples, you cant say: "sorcerers are overpowered" when the sorc in question is an optimised char versus a RR2 just powerleveled char.
What does eldritchs who get the jump on sorcs think about that overpowerdness? or Banelord bonedancers? or Runemasters whit some suppresion? or dark spiritmasters? hell, my cabalist can kill sorcs in duels like no end, cabalists must be overpowered too!
Sorcs are overpowered in certain situations (if you are RR5+, you have MoC3, you are ML9 convoker, he's buffed whit a buffed pet and your oponents doesnt have a clue or are meleers), but i can list a lot of classes that, in equal terms, can and will kill any sorcerer, remember to compare (sp?) apples whit apples, you cant say: "sorcerers are overpowered" when the sorc in question is an optimised char versus a RR2 just powerleveled char.
What does eldritchs who get the jump on sorcs think about that overpowerdness? or Banelord bonedancers? or Runemasters whit some suppresion? or dark spiritmasters? hell, my cabalist can kill sorcs in duels like no end, cabalists must be overpowered too!
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mezzist how about you stop faking quotes? is it because i killed you too often the other day that you are whining?
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play well before posting QQ
Glottis said:I tell them so you retards can actually understand the amount of bullshit you guys are talking. 3 Ubah classes vs one ubah class for Albion and yet you all complain like your being taken by a 3 meter talk black dude...
Regards, Nerdboy
PS. Merry fecking Christmas but im alone im a poor nerd that has no friends
ahhhhhhh poor guy
Sorc rr1 is overpowered compared to anything else rr1
Sorc rr2 is overpowered compared to anything else rr2
Sorc rr3 is overpowered compared to anything else rr3
Sorc rr4 is overpowered compared to anything else rr4
Sorc rr5 is overpowered compared to anything else rr5
Sorc rr6 is overpowered compared to anything else rr6
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The argument that sorc need RR12 before he is OP is false since you seem to compare any RR sorc with highest RR he could possibly meet.
Sorc rr2 is overpowered compared to anything else rr2
Sorc rr3 is overpowered compared to anything else rr3
Sorc rr4 is overpowered compared to anything else rr4
Sorc rr5 is overpowered compared to anything else rr5
Sorc rr6 is overpowered compared to anything else rr6
.....
The argument that sorc need RR12 before he is OP is false since you seem to compare any RR sorc with highest RR he could possibly meet.
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Radix said:
rofl
no comment needed
If you look at the sorc as a caster they are overpowered. A class with access to both awesome crowdcontrol and high damage output should have the least utility of all classes. This is obviously not the case with sorcs.
However, if you look at sorcs as a main cc class (and Mythic certainly do) they are perhaps not so overpowered, because their "high damage output" is outweighed by their poor defense.
However, if you look at sorcs as a main cc class (and Mythic certainly do) they are perhaps not so overpowered, because their "high damage output" is outweighed by their poor defense.
Shafu said:
If you look at a sorc in a fg vs fg environment they are not overpowered.
The bolt range mezz was given to balance the problem faced by instant mezz (and has been shown by Aussie to be neglected by any speed above 3).
If you look at the sorc in single combat the damage is not insane, certainly not as insane as a chanter. Yes the rr5 ability is nice, but only really of use against a melee opponent. How many stealthers dare attack a caster anyway? Versurs a chanter it would be /qc stun and death also.
I hardly enjoy having to let Montarlooo go in his next fotm appearance, just cause BD's are insane overpowered against any class... Or I have to let SM's walk passed also cause their pet will intercept all anyway.
Sorc rr5 ability is crap compared to the SM perma melee invulnerability.
Regards, Glottis
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Aussie said:
550 ? lol dire nuked for 450+ before nf oO
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Shafu said:
The problem is you have EITHER high damage (47 body) OR nice CC (44 mind) cant have both....so if you meet a sorc with 44 mind you cry about the bolt-range casted aoe mezz and if you meet a 47 body sorc you whine about the 500 damage he does...if you meet a sorc that has an uber mezz and huge damage, you must be on pills
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Glottis said:
I knew it that u find thanes overpowered to, for u every mid/hib char is op.
U even find bd's overpowered when they remove supr line...
U know,... my skald has even moc to moc my insta's away. Shouldnt you make a thread about that cause really, when im back from my 2 weeks autoaim, radar & instamoney ban, im gonna "pwn" u
Ok, it seems the term "high damage output" was a little vague. Allow me to elaborate. By high damage output I dont mean that they are outdamaging chanters or anything. I simply mean that they are able to kill something fast, just like most other casters, but unlike any of the other main cc classes. This mix of damage and cc is unique to the sorc. I know they cant get the best nuke and best cc at the same time, but it's still a powerful combination. When you add all the other utility they get it is simply overpowered. Not god mode, but just too much.
Oh and for the record, I agree that SM pet intercept, and BD insta lifedrain are overpowered, but that's another discussion. Im a mid, so it's not my job to whine about those At least those classes have drawbacks. They have no speed, are easily recognized, and have little to offer a group other than damage.
Oh and for the record, I agree that SM pet intercept, and BD insta lifedrain are overpowered, but that's another discussion. Im a mid, so it's not my job to whine about those
At least those classes have drawbacks. They have no speed, are easily recognized, and have little to offer a group other than damage.Smilewhenyousaythat
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Just like the mix of healing and 3 forms of CC is unique to the healer, or the mix of mez and speed is unique to the bard.
I never said that healers/bards are not overpowered, but if any class should be overpowered then I would prefer it to be a defensive/support class. It's just different when you add damage to the equation. Like I said in a post above, it is the caster aspect of sorcs that is overpowered. Imo make them less powerful casters and more efffective crowdcontrollers.
