Sorc debuffs?

[Das_Hibbie]

Just a quick question! Do sorcs use both the Str/Con AE debuff in the mind spec and the dex/qui AE debuff in the body spec? Or is the dex/qui useless? Thanks for any help ;-)

Oh and also, if I want to lvl a Reaver the old fashioned way, I wouldn't have any chance at all to auto-train would I? It would be required to be PLed to take advantage of that? :/

 

[Pin]

Just a quick question! Do sorcs use both the Str/Con AE debuff in the mind spec and the dex/qui AE debuff in the body spec? Or is the dex/qui useless? Thanks for any help ;-)

Use ALL your debuffs, depending on the situation. Dex/Qui is becoming evermore important with the rise in caster-based groups. It's also imperative to land Dex/Qui when hibs use GP.

Oh and also, if I want to lvl a Reaver the old fashioned way, I wouldn't have any chance at all to auto-train would I? It would be required to be PLed to take advantage of that? :/

Level to 40 using Thrust/Crush and respec to Flex using your free respec - you'll gain 54 points (or use a stone at 48+ for 77 points).
Or be a burden on society and go all the way to 48 without speccing weapon

 

[Das_Hibbie]

Ah so you gain the autotrain points by doing that?

Was starting to think having a necro bot was the only way for a Reaver to auto train

 

[Sulphur]

ftp://aqe.campus.luth.se/Albs/RvR/

Papy.wmv
Papy2.wmv

IMO the best Sorc debuffer / Pet user movie

 

[Das_Hibbie]

Oh als, with ALL debuffs, do you even mean the single str and dex debuffs?

 

[Pin]

Oh als, with ALL debuffs, do you even mean the single str and dex debuffs?

Yes.
AE Str/Con, AE Dex/Qui, ST Str, ST Dex should all be used whenever you can (can never do enough stat debuffing, tbh.)
Also Resist debuffs if grouped with elementalists.

 

[Das_Hibbie]

Btw, if amnesia is resisted, does it still interrupt MoC? Do you use ae amnesia even on a single target that's MoCing due to the ST one being only lvl 8?

 

[Shrye]

Btw, if amnesia is resisted, does it still interrupt MoC? Do you use ae amnesia even on a single target that's MoCing due to the ST one being only lvl 8?

Technically, you don't interrupt, you merely reset the casting to 0 with amnesia - no, resist won't interrupt moc.

 

[Wildfire]

In most situations it's best just to play to your strengths - while soloing at least this generally means putting the single-target and AE dex debuffs on - unless you have some melee classes in your group, you're not really going to benefeit from the str/con debuff.

 

[Das_Hibbie]

But con lowers hitpoints though so should be usefull for castergroups as well?

Do you use the ST amnesia anything? Does it often "hit" or does it get resisted way too much?

Thanks for all the help so far btw =)

 

[Generation]

Use the str/con debuff as soon as possible, it's effectively a big AE nuke since it wipes a big chunk of hp off your opponents.

Personally i always used the low lvl amnesia cos it really didn't resist too often and uses almost no mana, if you're up against a pbae cell then ae amnesia is very handy tho.

 

[[NO]Subedai]

u can kinda get away with not speccing weapon on reaver ( i didnt to 48), i never got asked about why my dmg was so shit, but had high shield spec and stuff so was generally ok in pbaoe grps.

 

[Red HATred]

UPON SIGHT OF ENEMY :

as soon as you see enemies in range. Use Dex/quick debuff, preferably somewhere in the middle ;-).
This will make sure that all casters in the enemy group will be partially useless ( SLOW ) , if they didn't resist the thing.


1)start casting AOE root + aoe dex/quick debuff.
2)start casting aoe mezz and make sure the str/con debuff lands before the mezz.
result: voila: a fully weakened group, that will have to purpge or use all realmskills they have... wich results in a even more useless bunch of zergers.

Since str/con and dex/quick debuff (aoe version ) are on the same timer, you have two options , aoe root/mezz or debuffing for group members.
Since debuffs are insta's you HAVE to do both at once, don't forget that
Second debuff will be combined with either Magic debuffing (non insta) or nuking from your side. This should be the STR/con debuff, because the rest of the combat will be close combat for the rest of the group.

debuff 4thewin ; less con, less str... less dex less quick = less pain
Debuffing is verry important in rvr, isn't it for your own benefit, it may be for you Comrades

If you want to test your skills as a sorc... head to non zerging areas. ;-)


one minor detail : qbar for a sorc is a nightmare....

four debuffs(str/con quick/dex str dex), qcast, root, mess, nuke, lifetap,
then we have the class specific debuffs :-s fire, cold, matter...
Realmskills.....

a nightmare...


but, A sorc IS simply the best class in albion. I do wish you loads of fun in testing stuff. I just hope you will be a sorc that knows what it means to be in control .

really mate, have a ball ;-)

you may always pm me if you want to test stuff out.

 

[Red HATred]

UPON SIGHT OF ENEMY :

as soon as you see enemies in range. Use Dex/quick debuff, preferably somewhere in the middle ;-).
This will make sure that all casters in the enemy group will be partially useless ( SLOW ) , if they didn't resist the thing.


1)start casting AOE root + aoe dex/quick debuff.
2)start casting aoe mezz and make sure the str/con debuff lands before the mezz.
result: voila: a fully weakened group, that will have to purpge or use all realmskills they have... wich results in a even more useless bunch of zergers.

Since str/con and dex/quick debuff (aoe version ) are on the same timer, you have two options , aoe root/mezz or debuffing for group members.
Since debuffs are insta's you HAVE to do both at once, don't forget that
Second debuff will be combined with either Magic debuffing (non insta) or nuking from your side. This should be the STR/con debuff, because the rest of the combat will be close combat for the rest of the group.

debuff 4thewin ; less con, less str... less dex less quick = less pain
Debuffing is verry important in rvr, isn't it for your own benefit, it may be for you Comrades

If you want to test your skills as a sorc... head to non zerging areas. ;-)


one minor detail : qbar for a sorc is a nightmare....

four debuffs(str/con quick/dex str dex), qcast, root, mess, nuke, lifetap,
then we have the class specific debuffs :-s fire, cold, matter...
Realmskills.....

a nightmare...


but, A sorc IS simply the best class in albion. I do wish you loads of fun in testing stuff. I just hope you will be a sorc that knows what it means to be in control .

really mate, have a ball ;-)

you may always pm me if you want to test stuff out.

 

[Das_Hibbie]

I don't know as as I haven't played a sorc in RvR, but wouldn't it be better to when engaging enemy:

AE mez, str/con debuff when in range, dex/qui debuff when in range, str debuff tanks and dex debuff casters/support. When the tanks start falling out of the mez, use your roots.
Also of course mezzing/rooting free targets meanwhile and unmezzing groupmembers.

After that you could start thinking about moving around so you don't get killed? Well actually I guess you could run around while debuffing as they're instant.

Oh and debuffs don't break mez on players anymore do they?

 

[Red HATred]

worth testing mate, sorry btw for the double post , internet acting up and i click to fast

personally i prefer dex/quick first at range. Slowing that down could help to react better.. . This also makes them go for purge (panic) because they need to cast just as fast...

i think the first phase of combat always should be to remove all benefits a character can use to counter things. or just lure em into a vurnerable position.

Even in PVE debuffs rock just as good. If you are a pet user and pet pulling mutliple mobs at once... a debuff is a nice way to ease the pressure on the pet. Just make sure all mobs have their attention focussed on your pet first you could get a nasty surprise and debuff before you mezz


cheer mate

 

[Jaem-]

Dunno about sorc much, but have an sm, simular I guess.

But found the dex/qui debuff and haste debuff together with a pbt runie made you almost immune to slow 2hd classes.

Tho need a weird spec for ok debuffs 41sup 35dark I went

 

[Fedaykin]

i wouldn't listen to ironheart if i was you

ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS open with your aoe mezz. 1875 range is simply too good to miss out on - this also stops a pac healers/bards insta mez - unlike the aoe root which was suggested by ironheart.

a few things depending on your group set up: str/con is always useful as is the dex/qui - it doesnt really matter which you land first as they are only 5 seconds in between - remember to recast after a group purge.

Problems with insta debuffs: they break mez on pets. This can sometimes be a hindrance to you - as they will liekly head your way - if this is the case be ready to back up your debuffs with roots on the pets.

AOE root is useful after a group purge - it is however very hard to land this due to pets and the fact that every hib will have you targetted after the initial mezz.

I find a good tactic after landing mezz is simply to get the hell away - and move back in later after the first few nukes have been cast by the hibs. This is much less of a problem against mids.

cba to write more

 

[Das_Hibbie]

Ah that helped a great deal Fed, thanks!

 

[Red HATred]

isn't it more important to initialize combat with your top level spells?
If the rate of succes is low after initiating combat, you are history.
You don't cause them to panic...

body sorc... top class root... less resists...
mind spec sorc... top class mezz.... less resists....
Good polyvalent spec... decent everything..... do what you like ;-)

anyway... most important thing is to test stuff out there.
all will depend on your final spec... i don't think if you would spec matter/mind or matter/body you will not have to think of what to use first ;-)



ooo and feyd one small word to ya...
you don't tell ppl not to listen to others if they ask an oppinion. if you want to push your p.o.v. upon somebody make sure you know what you are talking about. The only reason why you have something with your sorc is because:
YOUR ACCOUNT IS FRIGGIN PROSTITUTE USED BY ALL ALBS. PLAYED 8 h a day.... it ain't hard to stand where you are.
You didn't get results by beeing GOOD. And one random lucky video doesn't mean you rock ;-)
And i just spoke about my experiences.. both pve and rvr..


cheers

 

[elbeek]

isn't it more important to initialize combat with your top level spells?
If the rate of succes is low after initiating combat, you are history.
You don't cause them to panic...

body sorc... top class root... less resists...
mind spec sorc... top class mezz.... less resists....
Good polyvalent spec... decent everything..... do what you like ;-)

anyway... most important thing is to test stuff out there.
all will depend on your final spec... i don't think if you would spec matter/mind or matter/body you will not have to think of what to use first ;-)



ooo and feyd one small word to ya...
you don't tell ppl not to listen to others if they ask an oppinion. if you want to push your p.o.v. upon somebody make sure you know what you are talking about. The only reason why you have something with your sorc is because:
YOUR ACCOUNT IS FRIGGIN PROSTITUTE USED BY ALL ALBS. PLAYED 8 h a day.... it ain't hard to stand where you are.
You didn't get results by beeing GOOD. And one random lucky video doesn't mean you rock ;-)
And i just spoke about my experiences.. both pve and rvr..


cheers

By the time u have finished buggering about with your "top level spells" you are mezzed and your group is dead.
As a sorc your primary roll is CC and to miss out on a bolt range mezz is kinda pointless. Do this frequently and you will find yourself lfg.

Your insulting comments to Fed just go to show you are both ignorant and pig headed. You are clearly a n00b sorc as far as rvr goes, if you are ever a % as good as Fed then you qualify to insult...until then STFU.

 

[Belomar]

Ironheart, you have to be the biggest muppet ever to grace these boards, and that's saying something.

 

[achaius]

:wub: Beeks

 

[Ego]

Hi Beeks and Achaius!!

i watched holland-germany last night and i was like amagaaaad we´re so lucky to get away with 1/1 so i decided to go to bed and i was like amagaaaaaad i dont have to get up early cos i just dont want to so im like amagaaad im a happy person and now i just woke up and see ppl flaming fedaykin and i was like amagaaaad that's not very nice of them so i wanna comfort fedaykin and whisper in his ear that i love him and i find him a good sorc and that everything is gonna be alright but i cant find him i searched everywhere so now that has to wait till later this day after i washed my car and brought Carly to school so until then i wont be on and i guess i will speak to you later this day if that's ok with you have fun today and remember that i love you 2!


ps. fedaykin we know you a good sorc so dont let other people get to you we <synergy> are deeply in love with you ok remember that please? :wub:


im going now byebye

Sollers

 

[achaius]

amagaaaad Solly did you breath at all when you typed that first paragraph? lol

Have a good day m8y and catch you later on.

P.S My car could do with a wash too

 

[Red HATred]

Ironheart, you have to be the biggest muppet ever to grace these boards, and that's saying something.

With a face like yours i would shave my ass and run backward...maybee you will score then ;-)

 

[- English -]

With a face like yours i would shave my ass and run backward...maybee you will score then ;-)

to say u r 30+ u really do sound like some1 my age Iron, yes 16 !!

act your age....

you should know by now that flaming some1 back doesnt really get you anywhere, u have too many enemies who will all gang up on you

 

[Thorwyn]

Sorcerer:
ROOT (AOE)
CAST 2.5s RANGE 1500(350)

Bard:
MESMERISE (AOE, INSTANT)
CAST Instant RECAST 600s RANGE 1500(150)


So even if you (for some odd reason) land your root before the Insta Mezz, they´ll put you and your entire group to sleep for half a minute. There is a reason why the Sorcerer AE Mezz range was increased a couple patches ago. Sorcerers are now a viable class if they make use of their pros. 1850 range IS a pro.

 

[Fedaykin]

isn't it more important to initialize combat with your top level spells?
If the rate of succes is low after initiating combat, you are history.
You don't cause them to panic...

body sorc... top class root... less resists...
mind spec sorc... top class mezz.... less resists....
Good polyvalent spec... decent everything..... do what you like ;-)

anyway... most important thing is to test stuff out there.
all will depend on your final spec... i don't think if you would spec matter/mind or matter/body you will not have to think of what to use first ;-)



ooo and feyd one small word to ya...
you don't tell ppl not to listen to others if they ask an oppinion. if you want to push your p.o.v. upon somebody make sure you know what you are talking about. The only reason why you have something with your sorc is because:
YOUR ACCOUNT IS FRIGGIN PROSTITUTE USED BY ALL ALBS. PLAYED 8 h a day.... it ain't hard to stand where you are.
You didn't get results by beeing GOOD. And one random lucky video doesn't mean you rock ;-)
And i just spoke about my experiences.. both pve and rvr..


cheers

btw fyi ironheart, only me and my bro have access to my sorc - and only he plays it now since i've moved to midgard, and i pray to god i meet you in emain - cos i like eays rps

 

[elbeek]

With a face like yours i would shave my ass and run backward...maybee you will score then ;-)

You have totally wtfpwnd yerself with your crap posts so now you resort to this. You are one sad twat.