someone tell me again... hibs are the underpopulated realm?

[Ilum]

I mean just think how much fun going to emain was in OF as 8-24 vs 50-100+.. Not far off an exaggeration at times. You are paying for that now.

So punishing people is a good way to help the game? ic m8

 

[Aran Thule]

hmm some say hibs are behind overall rp:s comparing mids and albs, so you wanna earn those rp:s, what taked these 2 realms earn in 3 year, in ~4 month?.

Where did you work that out?
Its easy to see that from OF Hib would have less guild bp's, just sue to the fact that our casual players could RvR as easily as the other realms so less did it.
We didnt want this to happen with NF and definately didnt want the old 'emain' situation.
So we planned, and moved together and swiftly when NF appeared and it worked, many that couldnt go out before were able too and we managed to effectively turn the tide against our enemies and get a lot more people involved.

Without the underpopulation bonus, hibernia would be crippled and our frontier would be swiftly overrun.
Not sure why midgard is getting PvE penalties but i dont have the numbers that GOA is working with.
The bonuses are there to try to balance the realm people start on, if GOA sort out thier marketing for catacombs and we get an influx of new players then hopefully things will even out a little.
Then we can expect to see them change the figures.

If myself and other leaders can motivate a large % of our realm to come on raids/defence why should we be penalised for it?

 

[Ovi1]

If myself and other leaders can motivate a large % of our realm to come on raids/defence why should we be penalised for it?

Because you aren't Albs... Silly Luri

 

[Flippant Desires]

...Not sure why midgard is getting PvE penalties but i dont have the numbers that GOA is working with.

Penalties? Do you mean the camp bonus? Think Mid are on 93% atm, but that's +93% extra bonus, not 93% of a possible 100%, i.e. their total camp bonus is 193%.

 

[nikolas]

The realm point bonus dropped from 10% to 5% last week didn't it? I'm sure I read it somewhere, maybe on daoc eu home or somet.

 

[Tuppe]

hibs didnt have pop to reach same rp what albs and mids, yep, understand that.
mids did fine of, we had active guilds and peeps willing to go rvr when there as need.
suddenly when nf arrived we have seen mids collapsing down and this situation has last now? 4 month? when hibs do what they want, albs following near.

hibs need these because of was so rough time for them? why mids need be penalised because we did fine in totally different rvr system and its clear atm midgard as realm suffer most.

even mids have more peeps what hibs? 21% on server pop last night when did /who all, why dont give pve bonuses to hibs and rvr bonuses to mids, or rvr bonuses to hib/mids?

those numbers are badly wierd what mythic has made and what give different bomuses to different realms.

 

[Belomar]

I've had the outmost respect for Hibs on Prydwen performing as well as they have ever since NF came. However, this recent madly jealous approach to defending their underdog status at all costs is frankly silly.

 

[Fenster]

I'm sorry to reiterate other posts but: The underdog bonus to rp's, bp's, xp's, is almost worthless. The things that do make a difference are the reduced bp's for keep claiming, and the free lvl every 2-3days, for rvr + pve respectively. However, in order for hibs to have all home keeps and towers claimed, means we need 5*7 guilds (35). If anyone can, off the top of their head, name 35 hib guilds you deserve a reward, I know i can't and I've been hib since day 1 of retail. I'm sure you're all shouting well name 35 alb or mid guilds, well i can't do that either tbh, but the statistic show that we've been underpopulated since the start.

In hib we have seen increased population levels since the bonuses, and thats the intended affect. Guilds such as Hunt Attack Fish (who afaik are nearing lvl50 and attending my ML raids) are just 1 example of new blood, however we have lost high rr blood. Not perhaps as much as mid or alb, I miss fighting mael, bo, pe, and especially sotl + mm. And we've lost NP and AD, and lots of tdd members are awol. Natural wastage is a part of any ongoing organisation. I'm believe that many of the lost enemies are headed to WoW. I'm sure that many more people will go that way in a few days, and in the coming weeks for people who can't get copies straight away. Including myself, I'll tried ffxi (which was shit), and I intend to try WoW. However it will take something pretty special for me to quit DAoC. But untill about 2 months after WoW release, you can't assess the state of play on any eu daoc server.

Hmm, think i've rambled on for long enough, although there's still points i want to make. maybe i'll do that later... for now, I need boooooooze!

 

[Gandelf]

I've had the outmost respect for Hibs on Prydwen performing as well as they have ever since NF came. However, this recent madly jealous approach to defending their underdog status at all costs is frankly silly.

Hibs have to defend what is rightfully theirs. The only jealousy comes from the Albs and Mids. Hibs have only had the bonuses for a few weeks. It's much too early for them to lose bonuses. They need to have the bonuses until such a time as their active population level matches the other two realms.

One reason why the Mids haven't been doing too well since NF, according to what I've been told, is because a lot of them were using radar, apparently. Since the latest patches, radar doesn't work. So Mids don't do RvR because of that. That's what I was told anyway. If it's true, then Mids deserve what they get quite frankly.

In the end, if a realm can't be bothered to get its players out into the frontiers to do RvR, then that's that realm's fault, no-one elses!

 

[Flippant Desires]

... Hibs have only had the bonuses for a few weeks. It's much too early for them to lose bonuses. They need to have the bonuses until such a time as their active population level matches the other two realms...

This whole thread is far too focused upon the so-called RvR rewards Hib has at present. Wish ppl could just relax a bit, GOA are obviously keeping an eye on the situation, otherwise Hib bonus would not have been cut by 50% in the last week.

Really, you can't just look at a few weeks of data and make decisions.

Face it, if the bonuses for PvE don't work, the server/realm will remain unattractive...bye bye new players and bye bye game. Think ppl should ignore a few weeks of RvR fun for Hibs, and concentrate on wanting a better all-round population.


or why not just order this and keep stump

 

[Belomar]

One reason why the Mids haven't been doing too well since NF, according to what I've been told, is because a lot of them were using radar, apparently. Since the latest patches, radar doesn't work. So Mids don't do RvR because of that.

Eh, this is certainly the most retarded statement I heard in a long time (and, this being FH, that's saying something). We are talking about the realm as a whole, not individual groups or players, and if you seriously are so stupid as to believe a whole realm would be using radar (and thus would stop RvRing when it no longer works), then you better start engaging your brain in the future. Besides, perhaps it has escaped your notice, but Mid gank groups are still having a jolly good time on Prydwen, and it looks to me as if Albion currently is the realm who lacks decent guild groups (I am not 100% up to date, I know only the situation from one week back).

 

[SkarIronfist]

Why would the whole realm use radar, its a rather sweeping statement.

I personally prefer to earn my rps the honest way, using telepathy.

Though saying that, I do play a BD so hardly an honest profession.

 

[Flippant Desires]

...Though saying that, I do play a BD so hardly an honest profession.

eek! omg! Feel sorry for ya <inserts random whine on BDs> and <inserts random counter counter arguement>

Although, your cynical remark is amusing What's that thing about "if you can't beat them, join them..."

Whole realm war map seems a bit of a cop-out (sp? on that?). Think Mythic could have done better to combat cheaters, instead of giving in to the almighty 'wallet'.

 

[Corran]

However, in order for hibs to have all home keeps and towers claimed, means we need 5*7 guilds (35). If anyone can, off the top of their head, name 35 hib guilds you deserve a reward,

Can you name 35 alb guilds and 35 mid guilds of the top of your head? I know i cant.

 

[Flippant Desires]

Can you name 35 alb guilds and 35 mid guilds of the top of your head? I know i cant.

and your point?

hib popn. has always been lower then mid and alb, so i guess you answered your own question. why do you have to be so pedantic.

 

[Corran]

and your point?

hib popn. has always been lower then mid and alb, so i guess you answered your own question. why do you have to be so pedantic.

Just pointing out to him that it makes no difference what realm your from, you wont be able to name 35 guilds from it of the top of your head. Which means using that as a reason why hibs should have the bonus is pointless.

Personally I dont care about the underdog bonus, though it is the same problem for every realm. There is not enough guilds to have every keep and tower claimed 24/7. Yes this includes albs. We are way more populated then the other 2 realms but mainly the RvR people are based within the same dozen or so guilds.

 

[Flippant Desires]

Just pointing out to him that it makes no difference what realm your from, you wont be able to name 35 guilds from it of the top of your head. Which means using that as a reason why hibs should have the bonus is pointless.

Personally I dont care about the underdog bonus, though it is the same problem for every realm. There is not enough guilds to have every keep and tower claimed 24/7. Yes this includes albs. We are way more populated then the other 2 realms but mainly the RvR people are based within the same dozen or so guilds.

it's just not an rvr bonus tho, all of the bonuses are meant to work to increase activity on low pop and underdog servers.

hib popn. is still well below other realms, perhaps you can muster 20guilds, but that means hib will be perhaps 15guilds.

I don't see why everyone has to go on about 'rvr bonus', it's just one element (that was down-graded by 50% last week).

Ppl just seem to be moaning about a few weeks of high activity.

 

[Fenster]

If anyone can, off the top of their head, name 35 hib guilds you deserve a reward, I know i can't and I've been hib since day 1 of retail. I'm sure you're all shouting well name 35 alb or mid guilds, well i can't do that either tbh, but the statistic show that we've been underpopulated since the start.

Corran, try reading, it could improve your iq no end.

 

[Gandelf]

Eh, this is certainly the most retarded statement I heard in a long time (and, this being FH, that's saying something). We are talking about the realm as a whole, not individual groups or players, and if you seriously are so stupid as to believe a whole realm would be using radar (and thus would stop RvRing when it no longer works), then you better start engaging your brain in the future. Besides, perhaps it has escaped your notice, but Mid gank groups are still having a jolly good time on Prydwen, and it looks to me as if Albion currently is the realm who lacks decent guild groups (I am not 100% up to date, I know only the situation from one week back).

OOPS! Looks like I touched a nerve!
Usually when people start to flame me I am close to the truth... or in this case, the person who told me Mids were using radar was close to the truth.

Let's face it, there can't be many good reasons why Mids suddenly stopped doing RvR in numbers as soon as the patch with anti-radar coding went live. Makes you think, dunnit?

 

[Goliath]

OOPS! Looks like I touched a nerve!
Usually when people start to flame me I am close to the truth... or in this case, the person who told me Mids were using radar was close to the truth.

Let's face it, there can't be many good reasons why Mids suddenly stopped doing RvR in numbers as soon as the patch with anti-radar coding went live. Makes you think, dunnit?

i think its because those who choose to play mid are the same persons(mostly) who will join wow or not, but maybe..

 

[Belomar]

OOPS! Looks like I touched a nerve!

Touched a nerve? Nope, I am still RvRing with my group, and so are many other "gank groups", but it is the Mid zerg that is lacking nowadays. Perhaps you should let someone who at least RvRs actively pass judgment on this, and you can take care of the PvE side (of course, I can see why you would be very attached to the underdog bonuses then).

 

[willowywicca]

OOPS! Looks like I touched a nerve!
Usually when people start to flame me I am close to the truth... or in this case, the person who told me Mids were using radar was close to the truth.

Hmm, or it could be that you accused everyone in a realm of cheating, which of course will provoke heated responses even from those who are not cheating, because it is an insult to anyone who considers themselves a decent non-cheating player.

 

[Jeriraa]

OOPS! Looks like I touched a nerve!

/em kicks Gandelf in the balls

It hurts whom it might concern.

 

[Tuorin]

So punishing people is a good way to help the game? ic m8

Ask goa about that one, or more importantly mythic, they made the rules and didnt do anything until a very long time after release to counter "he who has most wins". Plus I didn't say I agreed with it. ;/

Incidentally, what did Goa do to rvr between patches 1.45 and 1.68 on this server to give Hibs a chance vs far superior enemy numbers?

 

[Gandelf]

Hmm, or it could be that you accused everyone in a realm of cheating, which of course will provoke heated responses even from those who are not cheating, because it is an insult to anyone who considers themselves a decent non-cheating player.

Actually... nope.. if you check back in this thread nowhere will you see me accusing anyone of cheating. I am merely just repeating what someone told me in-game regarding the use of radar. Also nowhere is the word "everyone" used, only the words, "a lot".

Merely quoting someone else's opinion doesn't mean that I agree with it. I just thought that as people were wondering why the Mids were not as active in RvR at the moment, that what I'd heard from another source was worthy of repeating for the purpose of discussion... regardless of it's truth or not.

I apologise therefore if any Mids think I am accusing them of cheating, but as said, nowhere in this thread are my own words used to accuse anyone of cheating.

Now I'm of to the pub for a Pint of the "Black Stuff"

 

[Quinlan]

A clueless spammer gandelph has reached FH

 

[Ovi1]

I've had the outmost respect for Hibs on Prydwen performing as well as they have ever since NF came. However, this recent madly jealous approach to defending their underdog status at all costs is frankly silly.

Actually we only defend our bonus when people attack it. The recent madly jealous approach to attacking our underdog status at all costs is frankly silly

As has been said many many times, and apparently never heard by Mids or Albs, there are a large number of factors taken into account to decide on the bonuses, and we do not know what they are, and probably do not have access to all of the figures they use either (sych as current GBPs available..).

The fact that Hib has some really good PvE bonus (2 days per free level), but only moderate RvR bonuses (5% bonus now) should show that whatever figures they use are swinging against our Bonuses. Don't think any hibs are really surprised, and would stand up and complain that we no longer have 10% bonus?

Maybe you should consider the fact that we have kept the bonuses so long as a sign of exactly how badly off the realm was before? Or does it show that the Mids were doing much better than the other 2 realms which is why they haven't benefited much from bonuses

At the end of the day we do not know anywhere enough meaningful figures to make a judgement (we don't even know the population balance accurately!), and have to trust in GoA/Mythic to try and be fair, or leave to other games.

 

[Shike]

A clueless spammer gandelph has reached FH

all to make the forum more interesting tbh

now since Balbor seem to have vanished into thin air :< i miss his idiotic statements about everything he knew nothing about.

edit: oh and ontopic:

1+1=2
1+1+1=3
3 is more than 2.

get it?

 

[Jormungard]

Im sure Goa is doing things right. The bonuses are there for a purpose. Their numbers is probably more accurate than any number we can come up with. If we (mid) is more or just as many players as hib, the outcome of battle isn't necessarily equal. Hib seem to be more active atm and therefore they get more rps. So there are more hibs in the frontier, but more mids all in all.