someone tell me again... hibs are the underpopulated realm?

[Funkybunny]

oh ok......


LWRP for the realms on prydwen:

midgard: 11 979 419
albion: 15 472 297
hibernia: 17 601 089


aye poor hibs! they have it hard...good thing they get extra cheap keeps with so few bounty points...


maybe an idea of goa to rework their "secret" formula...

 

[sko]

lol




Won't be long til Daoc is dead anyway.

 

[Ticking]

happens when other realms rather pve then come out frontier

 

[Lejemorder]

how can it be that been active in RvR shall be punished by losing a fair gived underdog bonus, then we fast got it there was no one there had anything against it was hib there got it.

just because we now perform good in rvr we shall lose it? shall we do like mids and totally stop rvring to we get it back?

 

[Tuppe]

and how much rvr bonuses help you get more peeps to realm?
hibs have been nro 1 spot quite long in NF, mids allways last but we dont get bonuses.
in my eyes rvr bonuses to mids, pve to hibs.
this help? hibs get more peeps and mids go out and do rvr -> claime keeps/towers whit bounty points we allready get most less in server.

if in your opinion is fine hibs get most rp, and same time have best bonuses in prydwen, wonder.



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ust because we now perform good in rvr we shall lose it? shall we do like mids and totally stop rvring to we get it back?
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why mids need be out rvr bonuses because we did fine OF?

 

[Roadie]

how can it be that been active in RvR shall be punished by losing a fair gived underdog bonus, then we fast got it there was no one there had anything against it was hib there got it.

just because we now perform good in rvr we shall lose it? shall we do like mids and totally stop rvring to we get it back?

losing underpopulation bonuses isnt punishment for rving :z

Its an attempt to balence the current rvr situation better so its more enjoyable for everyone involved

 

[Gamah]

Yes GOA basing the underpop bonuses purely on population is a mistake imo, They should take into consideration how each realm is fearing...and to be honest albion isn't doing that great at the moment.

 

[Bleeker]

i agree give albs the *UNDERPOPULATED* bonuses ...been ages since i saw an alb



really it is

 

[Ticking]

Ye so those new fotm scouts can work their way up faster with zerging with aim&tip!

 

[Goliath]

LWRP and how many players a realm has are 2 different things.

...

and if we loose this bonus, all the small guilds cant hold towers/keeps for more than a week, and we will then loose activity in RvR exept for the strongest GG's. Even if we have earned lots of BP's together, we will eventually not be able to hold our keeps. hence the -underpopulated- bonus is applied to hib on this server in accordance with how NF works.

 

[Gandelf]

oh ok......


LWRP for the realms on prydwen:

midgard: 11 979 419
albion: 15 472 297
hibernia: 17 601 089


aye poor hibs! they have it hard...good thing they get extra cheap keeps with so few bounty points...


maybe an idea of goa to rework their "secret" formula...

Just sour grapes mate. LWRP means nothing. It certainly doesn't mean that Hibernia has suddenly had an increase in population. If you look at figures for characters, active characters and level 50s, Hibernia is under 30% in all three instances, whereas Albion has 39% or 40%! (see attachment. Courtesy of "Duskwave")
If you also take the total rps, Albion still has the "Lion's Share" at 930 Million, compared to Hibs' 654.5 Million. Hibs need underpopulation bonuses to help them to catch up and to compete. For the first time in years, Hibs are getting the benefits they deserve.
I know it's not the fault of Albions that they have higher population levels... it's actually Mythic's fault for making the game unbalanced in favour of the Albs. So, Mythic has the responsibility to introduce measures to counteract that imbalance.... hence the underpopulation bonuses.
That's all I'm going to say!

 

[Zebolt]

I tend to disagree with most ppl here. LWRP means everything. The underpopulated bonuses are suppose to help the realm to be able to compete with the numbers of the other two realms in RvR. To look at the active chars on the whole realm means nothing imo. How many each realms have doing PvE shouldn't have anything to do with the underpopulated bonuses since there they mean nothing. So LWRP is imo, the best way to see which realm is underpopulated and who isn't in RvR. RvR is what the bonuses should be meant for, since that is the only time the three realms compete with eachother.. ^^

 

[Tuorin]

The underpop bonus helps Hibs at the moment as over the history of daoc we have been miles behind in terms of overall realm points and guild bounty points. Mythic chose these things to determine keep upgrade costs and everything keep/defence related.

Thats why we have it, Gandelf is quite correct.

The last 2 weeks Hibs have earned the most realm points. If that continues for say another 4-5 months and the other realms guild bounty points start to drop, eventually Hib might have the same realm GBP as Mid and Alb. I'm sure Goa will then remove or award bonuses as appropriate.

Did by having the highest LWRP for the last two weeks suddenly cloud peoples judgement, its almost never happened in 3 years before. Did Hibs get a relic in the last two weeks to change the game?

Highest Realm LWRP is an indication that last week that realm got the most rps for one week not an indication of supreme dominance. What you are seeing now is actually the fact that the game when released didnt cater for being in the minority and this is the way they are doing things to problem make up for previous errors. I mean just think how much fun going to emain was in OF as 8-24 vs 50-100+.. Not far off an exaggeration at times. You are paying for that now.

I can say now that I see almost all Hibs rvring and there's little or no pve, which even when we was greatly outnumbered in the past was a problem as random Hibs got little or no enjoyment out of rvr, due to months and months and months of being overwhelmed. That in turn faced by the numbers problems Hibs always faced is why Hib is so far behind in overall realm points and why it will most likely take ages before Hibs catch up.

If the game is changed and these stupid costs for keeps and such and stuff is addressed, then it would be more likely influenced by stuff like lwrp and current, almost weekly server factors. It isnt. I dont agree with it either and maybe Mids could get some kind of rvr bonus soon perhaps.

 

[Lejemorder]

and how much rvr bonuses help you get more peeps to realm?
hibs have been nro 1 spot quite long in NF, mids allways last but we dont get bonuses.
in my eyes rvr bonuses to mids, pve to hibs.
this help? hibs get more peeps and mids go out and do rvr -> claime keeps/towers whit bounty points we allready get most less in server.

if in your opinion is fine hibs get most rp, and same time have best bonuses in prydwen, wonder.



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ust because we now perform good in rvr we shall lose it? shall we do like mids and totally stop rvring to we get it back?
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why mids need be out rvr bonuses because we did fine OF?

i still bet mids got alot more GPS then hibs even if some guilds havnt RvRed very much last month.
Diffrens betwen mid and hib is nearly all mids high RR ppl have quit with only a few left, even with em out (betwen 1.70 and 1.71) i rarely saw any mid under rr5 out unless ofc at brynja bridge. and instead of keep blaming hib underdog bonus for that mids aint rvring u should look at u own realm and wonder why?

and dont want to hear its because mids lack in siege batttle (no stories about shrooms its got old together with whining about hib underdog bonus)

/edit: and why i think its not fair if hibs lose underdog bonus just because we do good in rvr?
1st: hibs got a lot less GPS to claim towers, keeps for then mids (which i think its the most important).
2nd: mids got same population as hib (thats what u claim) but u choice to pve instead of RvR, why should hib get punished for u even cant be bothered to rvr?
3rd: lets say his really lose the underdog bonus (in rvr), what prevent us from stopping with RvR and get it month after?
4th: will more mids really come out to rvr if they got underdog bonus, i doubt it, only reason hibs rvr as much as we do now, is no runing to emain for 10 min to get zerged, where mids and alb should just w8 for portal if they died, no high rr groups camping ligen to farm rps and then come and whine about why hibs dont rvr on FH (BO, mael).

 

[Yma]

and dont want to hear its because mids lack in siege batttle (no stories about shrooms its got old together with whining about hib underdog bonus)

Ok, time for the reality, that siege thing is blatant misinformation !

It's because, you see, we acknowledge you're far better player than us, in game and IRL. We all know to bow to your elven majesty (sorry for cute luwis ...) and would even graciously drop buffs, if given a merciful chance, so you can waste as little of your precious time as possible to let you harvest your rps quickly ... this way you could fly from having twice our lwrp/actives to 3x or 4x ! How can your noble race be just twice as good as us peasant trolls ?

 

[Gandelf]

Another way of looking at it would be to consider the realms as football teams playing against each other. If we used active population levels to represent the number of players on the team and the highest population out of the three realms equalled a full team of 11 players, then we would have...

Albion = 11 players
Midgard = 9 players (rounded)
Hibernia = 7 players (rounded)

Now just imagine the effects of that in a real football game... in the World Cup! Imagine what sort of game it would be if, say, England, fielding a team of 11 men was playing against Norway, with only 9 men. Or England (11 men), played Ireland (7 men).... now you begin to see the big picture! Now you begin to see why Mythic is right to introduce measures to counteract population imbalances

 

[Goliath]

Another way of looking at it would be to consider the realms as football teams playing against each other. If we used active population levels to represent the number of players on the team and the highest population out of the three realms equalled a full team of 11 players, then we would have...

Albion = 11 players
Midgard = 9 players (rounded)
Hibernia = 7 players (rounded)

Now just imagine the effects of that in a real football game... in the World Cup! Imagine what sort of game it would be if, say, England, fielding a team of 11 men was playing against Norway, with only 9 men. Or England (11 men), played Ireland (7 men).... now you begin to see the big picture! Now you begin to see why Mythic is right to introduce measures to counteract population imbalances

fyi trolls can't play football

 

[gervaise]

The underpopulation bonus is supposed to help balance RvR - as mentioned above.

So Hibs should lose it and Mids get it. If this brings more Mids out then this is what is intended. If Hibs, as a rsult, lose the bonus in a week and become the bottom realm then they will then get the bonus and Mids (or whoever) will lose it. The bonus isn't supposed to be static - which seems to be what some people are assuming. And you can have a small guild within a large population that struggles to hold keeps etc; motto merge/grow etc.

New thought - raised elsewhere - if clustering works and if clustering ever comes to Europe then will the bonus disappear. The idea of clustering being - after all - that population is balanced. Can't see it but that's the idea. If it works the bonus should go.

 

[Yma]

I really hope Prydwen won't be messed with clustering. There are too many albs already, and we're more balanced than most servers ... it would only make things worst.

 

[Azathrim]

how can it be that been active in RvR shall be punished by losing a fair gived underdog bonus, then we fast got it there was no one there had anything against it was hib there got it.

You see, that is the point.

Let me point to the patch notes again:

To assist the players in low population realms, or realms facing difficult odds, we are providing additional bonuses for PvE and RvR combat.

These bonuses are both meant for underpopulated and underdog realms.

Hibernia is underpopulated, but -not- underdog.
Midgard is less underpopulated, but underdog.
Albion is overpopulated and certainly not an underdog.

Ofcourse, GoA is not Mythic, so they doesn't seem to understand what the patch notes wrote and what Sanya explained in the grab bags about this. GoA unfortunately just thinks these bonuses are for underpopulation, which it is not.

 

[Azathrim]

I can say now that I see almost all Hibs rvring and there's little or no pve, which even when we was greatly outnumbered in the past was a problem as random Hibs got little or no enjoyment out of rvr, due to months and months and months of being overwhelmed.

Is that why Hibs are able to field huge numbers in the frontiers while also taking the Battleground keeps?

Geez!

 

[Ticking]

lets blame the bonuses for that one as well!

 

[cHodAX]

Makes me chucke IRL when I hear Mids on Prydwen think they are now the underdogs just because they have had their asses handed to them for the last 6 weeks. For the best part of the last 3 years they were the strongest realm and the figures proved it, they had a fair share of the population and a large number of players with high realm rank (RR5+) characters. Now they say many of those high realm rank players have left, hasn't that happened to Albion as well? I think so. The only thing that has hurt Midgard more than the other realms is the loss of leadership and realm spirit, as soon as the weren't the top dog anymore half the realm seemed to have quit or be perma-PvE. None of the above is Hibernia's fault and for once they are getting a little love after 3 solid years of abuse on behalf of Mythic. Sure they are strong and the underdog bonus might be too much but they are still underpopulated, it might not seem that way in RvR because half the Albs/Mids are too busy whining and PvE'ing instead of fighting back.

IMO 'reduce' or remove the underdog bonus but increase the underpopulation bonus, either way DO NOT punish the Hibs for being the most active/successful RvR realm in the short term just to get a bunch of whining babies to drag thier sorry arses back into the frontiers.

 

[Elendar]

it ineterests me that their figures show excal and pryd need exactly the same bonuses, would have thought there would have been at least a little difference between the servers

 

[Gandelf]

Underpopulation bonuses are exactly for what they are intended... for realms who have lower population levels. They are definitely not for "under-dog" realms as some people seem to think.

You cannot argue with the fact the Hibernia has less population than the other two realms on Prydwen. The figures for population are easy to call up and no-one with any shread of common sense would contradict the figures.

The fact that Hibernia is getting more people in the frontiers only means that the underpopulation bonuses are having the intended effect. So why anyone would start saying that the bonuses are wrong can only be down to jealousy. If you give a child an ice-cream because he/she needs cheering up, then taking the ice-cream off that child after only one or two licks because he/she was beginning to enjoy it would be the saddest and cruelist thing anyone could do. Likewise, taking the underpopulation bonuses away from Hibernians just because they are beginning to enjoy themselves in the frontiers would be equally cruel.

What it all boils down to is the fact that Albs and Mids are jealous of the fact that Hibs have been given a much-deserved helping hand. As a result, Albs and Mids are doing less RvR, maybe as a protest, or possibly because they know that the bonuses mean more Hibs are out in the frontiers, thus making it harder for Albs and Mids to earn "easy" realm ponits. That's the Albs and Mids own fault for being childish and going off sulking in a corner. It's certainly not the fault of Hibernians.

"Under-dog" is not "underpopulated". Mids have only 7% fewer active players than Albion on Prydwen, whereas hibs have 13% less. Therefore, it's up to the Mids to get their butts out in the frontiers and stop sulking. They have a high enough population level, it's up to them to do something with it.

Mythic/GOA will never award underpopulation bonuses to realms whose players can't be bothered to do RvR.

 

[Maeloch]

Grimsby Town has just beaten Man United and now they want to change the rules of the game .

Mael, 50th ment.

 

[sneakies]

I was going to write a lengthy response pointing out how leaving the hibs with a PVE bonus is off no use what so ever cause the game has a barely noticeable influx of new players, so the only benefit hibs will gain from it is the ability to level an alt to 50 with slightly more ease.

Was also going to point out that NF is based around 28 towers, and 7 keeps, and to keep all claimed without a 'discount' hibs would have 7 claimed keeps, and about 10 claimed towers... because the other guilds would run out of BPS within a fortnight.

Anyways...

In regards to playing on prydwen:

Albs cant begin to comprehend what its like to play as a hib or mid.
Hibs cant begin to comprehend what its like to play as a alb or mid.
Mids cant begin to comprehend what its like to play as a hib or alb.

Unless your a x-realmer.

In my opinion, give everyone the RVR bonus, or lower the costs to keep stuff claimed. Because lets face it, Albs have no trouble keeping stuff at a high level, mids dont appear to be struggling, and hibs are relying heavily on a bonus... Make everyone happy, make it plausable for all... And then we can get back to the whine about the amount of fungi in the frontiers.

 

[Ovi1]

Didn't we just get our Bonus halved? Can't check from work but I seem to remember our RP bonus is now 5% but was 10%?

As was said further up the thread, if Hib continue with the current performance the bonuses will swing away from us, fortunately the Mythic calculation seems to be based in more than just LWRPs, or last weeks active players.

In fact I suspect that one very important factor in their calculations is the total number of GBPs available, a figure which no one outside of GoA/Mythic will know. This is probably the most important figure regarding RvR bonuses since it is what the bonus is mainly for. It is also the area where hibbies were probably miles behind the otehr 2 realms, but if was stay top for LWRP then we will be catching up.

 

[Darzil]

To be honest, they'll not be as far behind as you think, as there seem to be only a handful of guilds which can keep a keep at 10 past a few days.

Darzil

 

[Tuppe]

hmm some say hibs are behind overall rp:s comparing mids and albs, so you wanna earn those rp:s, what taked these 2 realms earn in 3 year, in ~4 month?.

mids have high ranks but there is more albs and even hibs alott, mids was last realm who had rl10 player, even underpopulated hib had earlier.