Some thaught on statistic...

[Lannovar]

I think you will see an increase in Reaver numbers in NF, and them gaining lots more rps as they become more viable in rvr grps as they get det. Most groups immediately snub them due to no det.

Any 1handed class that can dish out 600-800 damage (levi ofc) will find itself in demand, once alb groups realise this.

Its a bit mad tbh, high def, silly 1h dmg, lifetap. The nerf wont take long tbh

 

[xxManiacxx]

You can make flawed statistics look like what you want, sure, thats because people dont even have a basic grasp of statistics and the variables which make them flawed.

Average LWRP and Average RP/class is wholely flawed for a number of reasons.

For eg. It is not really meaningful to compare clerics and healers average LWRP, as there tends to be more spaces available for healers in a group than clerics (3 healer groups, 2 cleric groups) - that means, on average, there are more healers out there in high-RP groups, so their average LWRP is higher. It is wrong to conclude healers are "better (outperform)" than clerics from this statistic. It is more meaningful to conclude that there is more scope for healers to RvR, though (there are more of them out there earning more RPs).

You get slightly better results for class comparisons of average LWRP of nightshade, infil, and shadowblade. If you exclude outliers (by outliers, I mean people who dont RvR ie. < 10,000 LWRP, and those who rake in LWRP to the extreme >200,000 LWRP). Excluding those outliers you get quite sound statistical analysis of the three assasin classes. A simple boxplot shows you infact (at least for Prydwen when I last did this) that the Prydwen infils, nightshades, and shadowblades earn LWRP at pretty much the same level, indicating that all three are doing equally as well as each other for earning realm points.

I've had this "debate" on VN boards so many times when moronic americans quote LWRP figures and claim classes should be nerfed to oblivion because they can earn more LWRP - In most cases its not the CLASS which distorts the LWRP/Average RP values but the amount of them you can fit into high-RP-earning groups. - Savages and Healers are the prime example of this, where you can have a group with 3 of both, that heavily boosts that classes average LWRP figures.

This is what I have been trying to say. I have had this debate on VNboards multiple times aswell. Ppl take the statistics that shows what they want to see and then make the assumption this is how it is. As someone said earlier in this thread lies > more lies > incredible lies > statistics

 

[Starbuck]

Damn not many alb classes at the top of this list. But is does make a lot of more sence from my RvR experiance!

It is always a better idea to look at average RPs earned if you want to get a picture of how classes compare RP wise, otherwise the numbers you get are more an indication of the popularity of such or such class than anything (more people playing a given class = more RPs).

For instance, from camelot seer, average RPs earned last week on prydwen (characters active last 7 days who made over 2K RPs so as to exclude PvE characters) :

(http://www.camelot-seer.com/handler...000&lastOn=Recently,3_Days,7_Days&classID=all)

1 Eldritch 44,290 31
2 Druid 38,719 59
3 Enchanter 35,650 53
4 Berserker 34,485 24
5 Hero 33,038 38
6 Healer 31,444 94
7 Savage 29,478 30
8 Warden 29,165 29
9 Cabalist 28,050 18
10 Runemaster 27,388 29
11 Bard 27,353 45
12 Blademaster 25,536 25
13 Nightshade 25,163 41
14 Sorcerer 25,069 41
15 Skald 24,417 42
16 Mercenary 23,267 38
17 Minstrel 22,924 65
18 Bonedancer 22,372 16
19 Infiltrator 22,295 80
20 Scout 21,274 61
21 Spiritmaster 20,598 68
22 Shadowblade 18,030 81
23 Ranger 17,964 39
24 Shaman 17,768 61
25 Champion 17,688 4
26 Cleric 17,298 82
27 Theurgist 16,604 16
28 Warrior 16,518 40
29 Mentalist 14,714 10
30 Hunter 14,392 58
31 Reaver 13,810 18
32 Paladin 13,531 75
33 Armsman 11,403 26
34 Wizard 10,415 29
35 Thane 9,149 16
36 Valewalker 8,678 4
37 Necromancer 8,657 23
38 Animist 8,624 17
39 Friar 6,093 18

Careful with numbers anyway, active prydwen RvR population is a small sample and a few players earning a lot of RPs is enough to raise the average a lot, which isn't good as far as statistics go, and there's a number of factors that make certain classes look worse or better (for instance, druid/shaman/clerics being used as bots, or PL'ing necros).

To illustrate what I say above, looking at duskwave, the bulk of RPs for eldritches mostly comes from all of 7 players, not something very statistically meaningful.

As far as I'm concerned, I think there's too many factors involved to take those kind of charts too seriously.

 

[Haroat]

Another pointless thread. mate, before you create a thread you think you can put "(Whine)" or "(Another pointless thread about me being gay and having sex with various computer parts)" pls? kk ta...



:touch:

 

[atos]

35 Thane 9,149 16

 

[Jaem-]

Apparently considering how many planets known presently that is posible to support life, statisticaly life doesn't exist in the universe ;P

I hated statistics at school, I hate it now ;P

 

[Balbor]

Well, just an example...

Cabalist is the 2nd lowest of the non-SI classes. Yet, I started playing mine a while ago and it works ok. Too many people just copy what others do in this game I think - they want to go with something they know work. Hence, when 1 savage grp start pwning, 4 others are made.

Cabalists are one of the most underated RvR classes, with healer tank groups fotm Disease is a real killer to have. Pitty some realms get it for free while others have to spec for it.

 

[Equendil]

Apparently considering how many planets known presently that is posible to support life, statisticaly life doesn't exist in the universe ;P

Pfft, we know of 9 planets for sure, one of which barely deserves the title (pluto), one of which supports life.

So far, 11% of the planets we know about support life ...

What you mentionned above is not 'statistics' but something known as 'thin air probabilities', usually performed by a thousand monkeys and a single typewriter, possibly sub species like creationists or politics.

 

[Profion]

Well, just an example...

Cabalist is the 2nd lowest of the non-SI classes. Yet, I started playing mine a while ago and it works ok. Too many people just copy what others do in this game I think - they want to go with something they know work. Hence, when 1 savage grp start pwning, 4 others are made.

That is tru. Why cant people understand that in the end its all about the skill YOU have not really the caracter you are playing. If you are playing a savage you can still suck big time. only becouse you have a omg fotm pwned caracter doesent meen you are good.

I think you can use a lot of diffrent setups in a rvr grp as long all in the grp know what they are doing.

And for you heheyougotboned BD is a great char to have in a rvr grp

 

[Iceforge]

lasy today so cba reading everything, just giving a comment on the first post.

Healer classes in opted groups (Bards, Druids, Healers, Shamans, Clerics, Friars (lol), Wardens) naturaly have highest RP's due to:

The opted groups make the most RP's and all opted groups have healing classes.

Beside the RP the group make, they have an easier time than the rest to get into a Random Group (try yelling LFG at a pk as a tank and than as a healing class, you will see )

And 3rd but not least important, they get RP WHILE in the opted group THAT the rest DON'T get, rezz-RP...

just my 5 cent...

 

[atos]

Apparently considering how many planets known presently that is posible to support life, statisticaly life doesn't exist in the universe ;P

Heh, update your facts. =) Who said there only exists one universe?

 

[Justicator]

I scanned duskwave for Prydwen and lo found:

Nr 1 rp earner is Healer, gogo opted mid groups !
Nr 2 rp earner is Shadowblade, nice with stealthers ?
Nr 3 rp earner is Cleric, another opted group char (since most opted groups run with 2-3 healers). As a category they will hence get the most rps.

Nr 4 rp earner is Infils, no suprise.

So, either u run in an opted group or you role a stealther. Does it seem like Mythic have done a good job balanceing classes for the endgame? Or a good job at all?

Flame away m8s, and btw bds are at place 31 out of 39, so boost bds ok

What did you do to our Heheyougotboned!!? Real heheyougotboned would never start a thread like this. Not enough whining and stuff.. Oh well, nice to see that Brite still holds the nr. 1 whiner trophy.

 

[Dorin]

Its a bit mad tbh, high def, silly 1h dmg, lifetap. The nerf wont take long tbh

nice for interrupting boxes aswell, even if grappled the pbae-chants stay which is rly nice imo.

 

[Morchaoron]

hmmm interesting indeed...


just too bad the topicstarter cant comment anymore

cuz he got hehebanned xDD