Some thaught on statistic...

[Heheyougotboned]

I scanned duskwave for Prydwen and lo found:

Nr 1 rp earner is Healer, gogo opted mid groups !
Nr 2 rp earner is Shadowblade, nice with stealthers ?
Nr 3 rp earner is Cleric, another opted group char (since most opted groups run with 2-3 healers). As a category they will hence get the most rps.

Nr 4 rp earner is Infils, no suprise.

So, either u run in an opted group or you role a stealther. Does it seem like Mythic have done a good job balanceing classes for the endgame? Or a good job at all?

Flame away m8s, and btw bds are at place 31 out of 39, so boost bds ok

 

[Fadeh]

This is some interesting facts!

 

[Ilum]

Nice bonesy, this post was actually not a bad one

dunno how those stats are calculated...but some things to keep in mind

Typical mid group = 3 healers
Typical alb group = 2 clerics
Typical stealth group = 4-8 sb's/infs

Classes that only get 1 slot in a group dont have as much chance earning realm points.

Classes that get 0 slots even less :]

 

[Morchaoron]

So he's brighter then brite after all :O

 

[Heheyougotboned]

Illum, this is how it looks like and it is counted as a total sum of all current active accounts (cause saw when an account was not payed for the name of that persons chars disappeared from duskwave).

Class statistics for server Prydwen
Class, Realm Points, Characters Avg. Level

1 Healer 143,024,013 763 37.46 (so roughly 143 mil rps, 763 healers, avr. lvl 37.5 )
2 Shadowblade 102,303,099 701 32.65
3 Cleric 99,101,036 1,107 36.37
4 Infiltrator 95,682,532 645 34.06
5 Paladin 92,636,764 894 37.48
6 Shaman 76,725,085 1,115 36.19
7 Minstrel 76,528,712 608 33.49
8 Skald 76,174,197 633 32.23
9 Mercenary 72,681,614 434 34.73
10 Druid 70,939,327 811 37.61
11 Enchanter 67,127,200 726 36.65
12 Hero 57,982,201 494 34.74
13 Spiritmaster 53,892,903 673 35.73
14 Scout 50,955,982 523 33.00
15 Warrior 50,873,669 628 36.73
16 Savage 50,723,916 397 34.23
17 Hunter 49,991,659 574 31.52
18 Bard 49,964,785 664 37.44
19 Armsman 49,890,805 441 33.77
20 Runemaster 49,864,915 516 33.07
21 Nightshade 49,045,049 439 35.36
22 Warden 42,820,911 386 37.12
23 Sorcerer 41,323,290 437 31.65
24 Blademaster 40,361,570 319 35.62
25 Eldritch 40,121,939 406 34.62
26 Berserker 35,342,109 365 34.12
27 Thane 34,602,057 382 34.61
28 Ranger 33,949,580 506 34.27
29 Wizard 32,885,565 589 32.27
30 Champion 29,186,407 298 34.52
31 Bonedancer 27,791,125 551 31.53
32 Theurgist 24,590,142 381 33.30
33 Friar 24,138,888 453 34.48
34 Reaver 11,812,692 301 31.27
35 Cabalist 11,170,450 332 29.74
36 Necromancer 10,034,821 730 36.78
37 Mentalist 9,141,995 450 34.61
38 Animist 3,246,132 592 31.95
39 Valewalker 2,100,645 253 31.27


Maybe NF will help more classes to be playable in rvr, or maybe not. Time will tell. But please share your views!

 

[Edlina]

You're talking total rps for the server over all time I guess?

It can't really come as a surprise that mids + albs come on top cos of more players and thus more players of a specific class.

Also it can't really be a surprise that the assasins and the main healers in both realms (some of the most played characters in rvr for obvious reasons) come on top also.

What can surprise though is SI classes (in the game much later than the other classes) have earned more rps than old daoc classes...

16 Savage 50,723,916 397 34.23
That statistic for example should give a clear indication of something is wrong, with just 400 players and a class that's been in the game quite a bit shorter than most it's still number 16 of rp earners among all classes...

Something must be appealing about savages in RvR (just as main healers and assasins has a lot of players and are popular, so are savages, except they don't have nearly as many players)!

./shrug...

 

[Sycho]

Do not forget hibs are underpopulated that's why those stats can't be argued with, if all realms had same population then it could be argued with.But from those rp earners at the bottom you can see what classes need to get loving :/

Nice to see a sensible post though.

 

[Awarkle]

well its easy you just take all the mid alb and hib classes add the rps' together then find an average agains the active players

or somthing like that but you should really look at lwrps more than overtime rps.

 

[Equendil]

It is always a better idea to look at average RPs earned if you want to get a picture of how classes compare RP wise, otherwise the numbers you get are more an indication of the popularity of such or such class than anything (more people playing a given class = more RPs).

For instance, from camelot seer, average RPs earned last week on prydwen (characters active last 7 days who made over 2K RPs so as to exclude PvE characters) :

(http://www.camelot-seer.com/handler...000&lastOn=Recently,3_Days,7_Days&classID=all)

1 Eldritch 44,290 31
2 Druid 38,719 59
3 Enchanter 35,650 53
4 Berserker 34,485 24
5 Hero 33,038 38
6 Healer 31,444 94
7 Savage 29,478 30
8 Warden 29,165 29
9 Cabalist 28,050 18
10 Runemaster 27,388 29
11 Bard 27,353 45
12 Blademaster 25,536 25
13 Nightshade 25,163 41
14 Sorcerer 25,069 41
15 Skald 24,417 42
16 Mercenary 23,267 38
17 Minstrel 22,924 65
18 Bonedancer 22,372 16
19 Infiltrator 22,295 80
20 Scout 21,274 61
21 Spiritmaster 20,598 68
22 Shadowblade 18,030 81
23 Ranger 17,964 39
24 Shaman 17,768 61
25 Champion 17,688 4
26 Cleric 17,298 82
27 Theurgist 16,604 16
28 Warrior 16,518 40
29 Mentalist 14,714 10
30 Hunter 14,392 58
31 Reaver 13,810 18
32 Paladin 13,531 75
33 Armsman 11,403 26
34 Wizard 10,415 29
35 Thane 9,149 16
36 Valewalker 8,678 4
37 Necromancer 8,657 23
38 Animist 8,624 17
39 Friar 6,093 18

Careful with numbers anyway, active prydwen RvR population is a small sample and a few players earning a lot of RPs is enough to raise the average a lot, which isn't good as far as statistics go, and there's a number of factors that make certain classes look worse or better (for instance, druid/shaman/clerics being used as bots, or PL'ing necros).

To illustrate what I say above, looking at duskwave, the bulk of RPs for eldritches mostly comes from all of 7 players, not something very statistically meaningful.

As far as I'm concerned, I think there's too many factors involved to take those kind of charts too seriously.

 

[Ilum]

Well, just an example...

Cabalist is the 2nd lowest of the non-SI classes. Yet, I started playing mine a while ago and it works ok. Too many people just copy what others do in this game I think - they want to go with something they know work. Hence, when 1 savage grp start pwning, 4 others are made.

 

[Heheyougotboned]

nice replyes...

Some of what I wanted to point out was that if you cant play in an opted group (would be interesting to see some statistic on that as well, on how many of the servers players who can do that), or you dont want to play a stealther you are basically doomed to get boned in rvr.

Does this sound like a success for Mythic on their game from an objective point of view ? The game should provide endgame playability for all classes, not just a close view on the grass with your face down.

I also mean, that the game should be playable in rvr for everyone.

 

[Equendil]

Well, just an example...

Cabalist is the 2nd lowest of the non-SI classes. Yet, I started playing mine a while ago and it works ok. Too many people just copy what others do in this game I think - they want to go with something they know work. Hence, when 1 savage grp start pwning, 4 others are made.

Well, cabalists have been well gimped for a long while and up to a few patches ago though

 

[Kreig]

What can surprise though is SI classes (in the game much later than the other classes) have earned more rps than old daoc classes...

16 Savage 50,723,916 397 34.23
That statistic for example should give a clear indication of something is wrong, with just 400 players and a class that's been in the game quite a bit shorter than most it's still number 16 of rp earners among all classes...

Shame its only Savages out of the si classes that have done well if u look at the rest they all way way down at the bottom. Shows just what a simple bit of coding that says they are light tanks and not hybrids has done for the class no whine etc. Just a shame for VWs and Reavers.

 

[Tuppe]

savage was taked into fotm groups, this bring one group prolly average 2 savage? this way earning fast rp:s comparing class who is rarely in fotm group or only 1 each fotm group.

what i was looking intrested was hunter, 1st list 17 and next one suddenly drop to 30.
prolly still some old players rising average?

 

[Eroa]

Its a good thing somone hasnt been trying to prove something with statistics like this before :touch:

 

[Brolundar]

Anyway, its statistic.

But ist unsharp bcs of pvp-only chars (Paladin) and buffbots (cleric, shaman, druid) e.g So an average is not of much use. Another thing to take in view, alot of chars are only played to a decend RR (3-5 ?) as spare chars or for better pvm-performance.

Best picture gives the LWRP thingi if done for a while, because it counts only chars that took part in rvr in a determinated period and had som success (earned rp last week).

On the other hand no surprise to find chars there wich are part of opted setups, especially if they get more than one slot. Followed up by chars able to archieve some soloing.

And if you look down to the bottom part. , no surprise too.

A third thing, only one class was really successful in rvr from all 6 SI-designs ^^, guess what class and why

Complete LWRP of all normal Servers
1 Healer 86,459,695 7,989
2 Druid 65,392,996 8,387
3 Cleric 63,360,538 13,154
4 Shaman 46,855,847 10,908
5 Bard 46,187,015 7,091
6 Minstrel 41,681,407 4,804
7 Skald 40,702,422 4,874
8 Spiritmaster 40,522,096 5,318
9 Hero 39,093,504 4,650
10 Infiltrator 38,984,726 5,775
11 Sorcerer 36,503,612 3,414
12 Paladin 35,416,368 9,791
13 Wizard 34,847,716 5,631
14 Shadowblade 34,424,067 4,893
15 Enchanter 32,908,244 6,103
16 Runemaster 32,495,633 3,530
17 Scout 31,529,877 3,936
18 Eldritch 30,707,419 3,494
19 Savage 28,059,042 2,541
20 Warrior 27,137,681 5,351
21 Nightshade 25,849,334 3,730
22 Blademaster 25,232,865 2,083
23 Mercenary 23,040,646 2,579
24 Hunter 22,397,326 3,800
25 Ranger 21,652,701 3,650
26 Berserker 21,185,128 3,284
27 Theurgist 18,869,839 3,469
28 Warden 18,258,514 3,337
29 Champion 15,614,495 2,981
30 Mentalist 12,171,306 3,373
31 Friar 11,448,499 3,776
32 Bonedancer 11,113,742 2,585
33 Cabalist 10,704,454 2,004
34 Thane 10,647,687 4,016
35 Armsman 10,541,299 3,724
36 Animist 9,846,357 1,915
37 Necromancer 7,022,976 8,185
38 Valewalker 6,153,554 1,140
39 Reaver 5,121,467 1,597

Europeean statistics
1 Healer 48,839,085 4,158
2 Cleric 38,633,683 6,522
3 Druid 38,241,845 4,183
4 Shaman 26,504,566 5,674
5 Bard 24,773,499 3,571
6 Minstrel 24,370,652 2,555
7 Hero 23,430,035 2,419
8 Wizard 22,024,455 3,015
9 Infiltrator 21,108,596 2,878
10 Spiritmaster 21,021,858 2,508
11 Sorcerer 20,915,500 1,740
12 Paladin 20,684,057 5,470
13 Skald 20,485,742 2,570
14 Enchanter 20,122,549 3,268
15 Eldritch 19,052,993 1,858
16 Shadowblade 18,317,722 2,512
17 Scout 16,566,175 1,955
18 Warrior 15,390,790 2,959
19 Savage 14,937,497 1,426
20 Runemaster 14,930,849 1,570
21 Hunter 14,831,013 2,426
22 Nightshade 14,117,414 1,868
23 Mercenary 11,956,949 1,254
24 Theurgist 11,819,871 1,867
25 Blademaster 11,651,338 974
26 Ranger 11,636,837 1,845
27 Berserker 11,542,933 1,781
28 Warden 11,106,345 1,429
29 Champion 10,214,584 1,631
30 Bonedancer 7,141,510 1,507
31 Thane 6,791,953 2,327
32 Mentalist 5,793,348 1,616
33 Friar 5,629,148 1,913
34 Cabalist 5,221,201 1,079
35 Animist 4,375,401 1,010
36 Armsman 3,765,246 1,639
37 Valewalker 3,714,938 563
38 Necromancer 2,448,898 3,485
39 Reaver 1,914,672 654

and Prydwen
1 Prydwen Healer 2,994,525 314
2 Prydwen Druid 2,307,779 264
3 Prydwen Enchanter 1,912,101 209
4 Prydwen Infiltrator 1,828,984 219
5 Prydwen Minstrel 1,552,812 198
6 Prydwen Shadowblade 1,502,659 219
7 Prydwen Cleric 1,499,240 433
8 Prydwen Spiritmaster 1,421,464 260
9 Prydwen Eldritch 1,382,147 93
10 Prydwen Scout 1,334,044 145
11 Prydwen Bard 1,273,297 197
12 Prydwen Hero 1,267,981 118
13 Prydwen Shaman 1,211,426 450
14 Prydwen Paladin 1,092,605 384
15 Prydwen Sorcerer 1,076,797 109
16 Prydwen Skald 1,063,890 173
17 Prydwen Nightshade 1,057,215 127
18 Prydwen Mercenary 943,403 150
19 Prydwen Savage 901,577 136
20 Prydwen Hunter 872,422 167
21 Prydwen Warden 864,348 117
22 Prydwen Berserker 848,509 120
23 Prydwen Runemaster 823,872 156
24 Prydwen Ranger 711,557 122
25 Prydwen Warrior 706,740 254
26 Prydwen Blademaster 649,306 74
27 Prydwen Cabalist 517,371 71
28 Prydwen Bonedancer 402,248 119
29 Prydwen Wizard 341,737 155
30 Prydwen Armsman 320,331 149
31 Prydwen Theurgist 291,473 122
32 Prydwen Reaver 261,617 70
33 Prydwen Necromancer 227,088 266
34 Prydwen Thane 166,960 126
35 Prydwen Animist 165,127 70
36 Prydwen Mentalist 165,049 82
37 Prydwen Friar 131,485 139
38 Prydwen Champion 81,060 62
39 Prydwen Valewalker 48,467 23

 

[xxManiacxx]

Ppl have been working with numbers on vnboards for god knows how long. Especially when trying to show differenecs between infils and SB´s.

numbers can be changed over and over again to look like u want it. If u take total rp for all time for all servers u will get smite clerics with you, u will get SB´s and zerkers before LA nerf etc etc.

If u take for last week u will not get right numbers because then it´s all about activity.

 

[Brolundar]

Ppl have been working with numbers on vnboards for god knows how long. Especially when trying to show differenecs between infils and SB´s.

numbers can be changed over and over again to look like u want it. If u take total rp for all time for all servers u will get smite clerics with you, u will get SB´s and zerkers before LA nerf etc etc.

If u take for last week u will not get right numbers because then it´s all about activity.

lies -> lots of lies -> even more lies -> Statistics

Of course you need to do it for a longer period.
Average will not work because some (lot?) of chars do not take part in rvr but counted in. All time values are a bit better, but dont reflect current situation.
At lest you may spot some trends.

 

[Sarumancer]

Savages do so well because of one thing.

Determination.

If you gave Reavers and Valewalkers determination, theyd be similarly powerful, and with the RA changes in NF, -all- tank classes get access to them.

They become -very- viable in rvr groups then.

Champions will also be challenging for tank group slots imho.

Reavers in NF, well, in the assist chain, lets just say theyre doing some obscene damage on pendragon (levithanian bugged anyone?)

You will note however, out of the bottom 10 rp earners, 5 classes are Hib, the low population hurts us (people will play what gets rvr slots over whats actually good/fun).

Some classes still need tweaking to make them rvrable, mentalists being one of them, if perhaps they put a power tap / power transfer spell (even if its in mentalism!) theyd be more used.

 

[Eroa]

lies -> lots of lies -> even more lies -> Statistics

=True

 

[Smurflord]

Ok then, let's compare the SI classes, as they've been around a year less than all the others.

16 Savage 50,723,916 397 34.23
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31 Bonedancer 27,791,125 551 31.53
34 Reaver 11,812,692 301 31.27
36 Necromancer 10,034,821 730 36.78
38 Animist 3,246,132 592 31.95
39 Valewalker 2,100,645 253 31.27

Says a lot really.

 

[xxManiacxx]

Ok then, let's compare the SI classes, as they've been around a year less than all the others.

16 Savage 50,723,916 397 34.23
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31 Bonedancer 27,791,125 551 31.53
34 Reaver 11,812,692 301 31.27
36 Necromancer 10,034,821 730 36.78
38 Animist 3,246,132 592 31.95
39 Valewalker 2,100,645 253 31.27

Says a lot really.

Don´t say alot. Because Savages got nerfed in 1.6? It was when quad hit was bugged savages got their insane rp. So when the nerf hit EU almost every savage was rr6+

Same thing to show SB´s versus infils and say SB´s are better. They were better before 1.62. then we have activity between the classes. How many playing each class. How many are RvRing with each class etc etc. Numbers don´t show squat

 

[Maleg]

Complete LWRP of all normal Servers
1 Healer 86,459,695 7,989
2 Druid 65,392,996 8,387
3 Cleric 63,360,538 13,154

Europeean statistics
1 Healer 48,839,085 4,158
2 Cleric 38,633,683 6,522
3 Druid 38,241,845 4,183

and Prydwen
1 Prydwen Healer 2,994,525 314
2 Prydwen Druid 2,307,779 264
...
...
7 Prydwen Cleric 1,499,240 433

Reflects the problems that Pryd / Alb has in getting groups going?

 

[Cavex ElSaviour]

stats only show what the presenter wants to sjow. They don;t say anything in this case.

 

[Sulphur]

You had a lobotomy boned? And bd's will never earn as much rps as any one else due to people hating them xD

 

[xxManiacxx]

Just another way to show that statistics is nothing to count on is this

Rank Name Realm Realm Points Class
1 Faderullan Albion 9,051,311 Mercenary
2 Vanaya Everlast Midgard 8,906,967 Warrior
3 Bibi Midgard 8,085,615 Skald
4 Constanze Albion 6,892,585 Infiltrator
5 Arauddry Albion 6,834,448 Infiltrator
6 Latino Heat Hibernia 6,665,457 Enchanter
7 Dreami Delta Albion 6,632,826 Mercenary
8 Bfr Awah Hibernia 6,632,268 Champion
9 Wonderer IcanBeYourHero Hibernia 6,544,629 Hero
10 Furball Hibernia 6,308,327 Warden

According to this the top 10 is divided as following: 4Alb 2Mid 4Hib And u can make the conclusion that Midgard is the worst realm. Is that the case? Don´t think so.

You can also come to the conclusion that infils are in top of the line all classes because 2/10 is infiltrators.

As you can see u can make statistics look like u want to.

 

[Pudzy]

Flame away m8s, and btw bds are at place 31 out of 39, so boost bds ok

Ruined your post with that line imo - the Bonedancer isn't as old as the other classes. Also only 'good' BD's generally get groups, ones that don't act like complete twats would also be nice, I think that's where your going wrong.

And for the post above this - mid have so few because they all rolled savage - and thats true, and you know it \o/.

Reflects the problems that Pryd / Alb has in getting groups going?

Too many mincers/infils

 

[Kerig]

nice replyes...

Some of what I wanted to point out was that if you cant play in an opted group (would be interesting to see some statistic on that as well, on how many of the servers players who can do that), or you dont want to play a stealther you are basically doomed to get boned in rvr.
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same conclusion i came to 12 months ago Mr Boned, and as its hard as hell to organise even semi-opted Prydwen alb grps (/salute to those who have the time and energy to do so) i ditched my armsman and rolled a scout. not quite as much fun as "proper" RvR, but better than getting steamrolled all night long.

Kerig RR6.3 Armsman
Feathers RR6.2 Scout

 

[xxManiacxx]

Maybe should make cleric instead

Seems that I would get a grp constantly if I did

 

[Jenkz]

As you can see u can make statistics look like u want to.

You can make flawed statistics look like what you want, sure, thats because people dont even have a basic grasp of statistics and the variables which make them flawed.

Average LWRP and Average RP/class is wholely flawed for a number of reasons.

For eg. It is not really meaningful to compare clerics and healers average LWRP, as there tends to be more spaces available for healers in a group than clerics (3 healer groups, 2 cleric groups) - that means, on average, there are more healers out there in high-RP groups, so their average LWRP is higher. It is wrong to conclude healers are "better (outperform)" than clerics from this statistic. It is more meaningful to conclude that there is more scope for healers to RvR, though (there are more of them out there earning more RPs).

You get slightly better results for class comparisons of average LWRP of nightshade, infil, and shadowblade. If you exclude outliers (by outliers, I mean people who dont RvR ie. < 10,000 LWRP, and those who rake in LWRP to the extreme >200,000 LWRP). Excluding those outliers you get quite sound statistical analysis of the three assasin classes. A simple boxplot shows you infact (at least for Prydwen when I last did this) that the Prydwen infils, nightshades, and shadowblades earn LWRP at pretty much the same level, indicating that all three are doing equally as well as each other for earning realm points.

I've had this "debate" on VN boards so many times when moronic americans quote LWRP figures and claim classes should be nerfed to oblivion because they can earn more LWRP - In most cases its not the CLASS which distorts the LWRP/Average RP values but the amount of them you can fit into high-RP-earning groups. - Savages and Healers are the prime example of this, where you can have a group with 3 of both, that heavily boosts that classes average LWRP figures.