Rant Some advice about WhatHifi? Sound and Vision

old.user4556

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I was in the market for a new pair of loudspeakers at the weekend, so I duly did my homework and looked up What Hifi? for some general ball-park speakers to try.

I set out with a budget of £500 for a pair of standmounts. Hot on my list was the Bower & Wilkins 685s:

B&W 685 stereo speaker review Hi-fi speaker review - from the experts at whathifi.com

With such a scorching review, under my budget and not a bad word said on their site, it seemed like I didn't even need to hear them. I took a drive to Glasgow to demo them just incase. Well, to save a load of waffle, they sounded shit. I took my father along (being a designer and builder of custom loudspeakers and has a huge experience of demo'ing speakers) for another opinion and he agreed that they sounded guff. Not only did they sound ropey, but the cabinet build was cheap and nasty.

The bloke wheeled out a pair of B&W CM1s at £499:

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Real wood veneer cabinet, much better build quality and a cone/crossover inherited from the 800 range. The difference was night and day over the 685s, the CM1 were the ones for me - great sound for their size, great soundstage and well worth £500. No mention of these on the What Hifi? site as a viable alternative given the fact they only cost another £120 and sound significantly better.

However, they also stocked a pair of Kef XQ10s at £799:

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They were even better than the CM1s, vocals and cymbal crashes had more detail in them and the bass was tighter and more composed. I really enjoyed them plus the sound was awesome and the cabinet finish / build quality was just gorgeous, so I opted for the KEFs even if they were over my budget.

I got home that night and read up on the rest of the KEF range (my dad is a KEF fanboy I must admit) and pretty much drooled at the Reference range of speakers, so I checked some reviews which basically said "flawless".

Since I was pissed off with WH magazine, I thought i'd check out their opinion on the reference series which didn't exactly strike me as a detailed review or that positive.

So, to my point, they raved about a pair of speakers that sounded pretty shit to me (maybe a bad copy...) and gave a not-so-great review to a pair of speakers that have blown ever other reviewer off the planet.

Don't trust them, demo anything you plan to buy.
 

Ch3tan

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Meh, all magazines these days rely on advertising and sponsorship so much that their reviews must always be taken with a pinch of salt. For av reviews you know you should be using avforums. Nothing like reviews from fellow consumers.
 

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Gzor, was that price per piece or price per pair in them thar hills? first dutch shop I googled had the CM1 at 400e each :/ (and 179e for the %^*% stands, again, each)
 

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£499 was for a pair teedles.
 

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I likey the Kefs - I wanted to replace the scandyna micropods on my TV - how big are they, pray tell?
 

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You really do get ripped off in Euro land, next time you come to the UK, bring an extra suitcase for A/V purchases :)
 

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what hi fi has been know to be iffy with thier reviews for some time. specily thier reviews pimiping up cables for speakers and power is very suspect.


and those kefs i came very close to buying, tho ended up buying some second hand speakers instead. 2 may be 3 years time i'll prolly get somat better or mabe those
 

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£499 was for a pair teedles.

WHAT? I hate you now :(

You really do get ripped off in Euro land, next time you come to the UK, bring an extra suitcase for A/V purchases :)

yeah really. those things cost 400e a pop over here!


edit: just for the ref, those KEF's cost 700e each over here!
 

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Jesus, and I thought we got the shaft in the UK!

I had a serious listening sesh tonight of the KEFs and they are seriously awesome - I'm using them in a 2.1 setup with a KEF subwoofer (handling 100Hz and down) and they're sublime.
 

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lots of UK peeps seem to think that. well, 3e for an OJ and 700e for ONE kef speaker says it's not so bad over there ^^
 

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uh, guys, with the exchange rate as it is, purchasing something in the UK -for example the C1's- will save me over 250e. certainly not to be sneered at.

any good web shops you recommend? ^^ I'm sure that the euro trade area includes the UK heh.
 

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uh, guys, with the exchange rate as it is, purchasing something in the UK -for example the C1's- will save me over 250e. certainly not to be sneered at.

any good web shops you recommend? ^^ I'm sure that the euro trade area includes the UK heh.

Problem is you'll find a lot of UK online co's won't deliver. I've had it repeatedly, even on Amazon, where the manufacturers stop the retailers selling outside their territory (I've had this with Logitech and Netgear products so far). Fortunately I can have stuff delivered to a UK address or I can just get in the car and go North, but its still a pretty shoddy situation; so much for the single market.
 

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bwuh? but I'm getting screwed nearly the full price of a unit for -as far as I can tell- no particular reason :(
 

Ch3tan

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bwuh? but I'm getting screwed nearly the full price of a unit for -as far as I can tell- no particular reason :(

No one visiting you in the near future from the UK that you could ask?
 

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Fortunately I can have stuff delivered to a UK address or I can just get in the car and go North, but its still a pretty shoddy situation; so much for the single market.

Stop invading our country! :twak:

:p
 

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bwuh? but I'm getting screwed nearly the full price of a unit for -as far as I can tell- no particular reason :(

AHAHAHAHAHA

shoe on the other fucking foot eh!? Welcome to extortionville, we normally live alone on our island.

BTW I have a pair of kef iq9's - fucking amazing! Mum has a pair of q9's in the studio and my brother, the absolute bastard, has another pair of iq9's sitting in the cupboard under his stairs!! He used to work at kef so we stocked up bigtime just before he left :)
 

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come again? don't know about you, but in recent threads on these forums I have noted that Holland is more expensive than the UK for fuel, cars, food, electronic goods (in this case speakers), health insurance, pricing for mobile phone contracts and games, and it's been that way as far as I can remember.

the only point that I can see where you guys are getting shafted is the ridiculous prices for your public transport, specifically trains.
 

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Well in recent history (last decade or so at least), anything in the UK is more expensive than elsewhere. This is changing as the euro strengthens and the pound weakens of course. I suspect we'll approach parity+shipping soon, which will be nice.
 

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This is why no **** wants to use them and we all hate this "take public transport" bullshit our government spouts.
 

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Thanks to What Hifi I bought...

1 x Marantz PM-66 KI Signature Amp
1 x Marantx CD-63SE KI Signature CD Player
1 x pair of Mission 733i floorstanders.

I did this 12 years ago, and they have done sterling service ever since.
 

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