Soloers Needs A Place To Solo. Part two.

[censi]

mythic have made such a momumental fuckup with this game in some ways.

Like they created stealthers which were always going to be played by people who wanted to solo or lets just say not participate in FG or wide scale RVR.

They also create lots of cool melee classes that have really nice competative fights with other melee classes out there. aka good fun.

A large part of the daoc community likes the idea of a good 1v1. Its fun ofc.

Rather than capitalise on this. Mythic seems hell bent to drive this out of the game mainly from the terrible RVR geography in daoc which tends to shoval big chunks of the players in zones togther with hot spots where everyone will hit. And also from the fact the Keep siege End game is boring and no one is interested in it whatsoever. Choice of fighting other players against hitting a door etc!

Theres a number of problems with soloing in daoc.

1) travelling. Its not in your interests to travel to an opponents area to rvr. You go to an opposition hot spot and its just you versus their whole realm. add central, not worth any RP, time to get there etc...

2) adding. Lots of players add and adding kind of ruins the solo experience. sure we can all handle getting added on now and again, keeps you on your toes and keeps the danger element. But as we all know it can just get ridiculous where you log convinced daoc is the shittiest game everbuilt (fyi daoc can be utter crap when you get like perma add days, but it can be really good fun when you get runs where you dont get perma adds just a few now and again etc)

3) timers. Mythic seems hellbent on introducing more timers into the equations. timers are a bit unrewarding. I mean say you see a target. Open on him with a full position chain, maybe switch weapons to something he is vulernable too, fight well (not much skill required to do that ofc) but your opponents fires off say warghey and battler and you have no timers. You loose with zero chance to win. theres a few too many i win timers envolved in daoc 1v1 and it takes away "some" of the fun. Theres a flip side to this though that the timers do also mean that all classes have a chance.

4) classes balancing. the classes are not always well matched. you get a lot of retarded situations.

5) casters. For me anyone who plays to solo on a caster is a lemon. it is like utterly fucking pointless. Casters can be great class to play and challenging etc and you can argue require lightning reflexes and good knowledge to play effectily in FG rvr. However their really have a negative impact in the solo element of daoc that we are referring to in this post. I find the vast majority of the solo casters are basically "failed" players on their other solo melee class, aka fuck this I cant kill anything on this toon time to roll <insert retard mode caster> that will take a target down from range in like 5 seconds, has bags of CC, self speed most of the timer, gey ml9 pet, moc and loltap or whatever it is etc. The DPS from casters is insane outside of group RVR where its all about interupting casters.

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so all in all the game definetly isnt designed for soloing. peeps do it because its prolly the last bit of fun to be juiced from daoc. FG RVR is pretty much dead or dying.

mind you lots of peeps will continue to solo and get some enjoyment out of it. And after a while you kind of do get to the stage where all the adding rofl spamming lemons just cease to exist or lets just say fail to annoy you as much.

 

[censi]

fuck me though. i just saw the name of the armsman in question making this solo posts.

first time I met you I was fighting zefs you come in and stick the pole into me. manage to take zefs down then die to you.

Second time Im fighting a scout (achoz or summin) you run in and stick the pole into me. limitless turns up and pwns you.

Third time I met you was near the base of occasus alb side fighting some crappy inf bang you run in stick the pole into me...

I put you on my add on sight list after that tbh. I hope you get steamrollered more.

 

[Infanity]

my point being the game isn't designed for solo 1 vs 1 play especially not for an armsman so why cry about it all the time?

realm vs realm should mean just that


and to answer your question my willy is twice as long as it is from the middle to the end.......

Utter bull shit :d

I actually admire the people who zerg who see someone elses point of view, EG. They zerg yes, Thats there play style - But they dont deny others may find solo fun etc.

Unlike the "This is the way the game MUST be played mates ;d"

 

[Eredrin]

zzz. first try to solo then make a poll, perhaps?

PS: adding is not soloing.

 

[>.< Pooned]

deeply inside i hope this thing won't work, cause we end up in the same /bow /no /salute /beckon duel like thing, which is quite borring let alone the fact that it destroys any clue of rolepay that may be left alive in this game.

solo is not 1 vs 1.
solo is getting zerged/spending 60% of the time buffing/on boat and 35% fighting and 5% resting after a succesfull fight. solo is a path that no matter what led you there, you should not brag about it . solo is solo ... live with it those of u who so much "claim" it.


ps:did any of u guys thought that solo could also be the only solution for some players?

In all his gimp life his post is far the best on this thread and the (ps even better gratz for making such a post and highlighting in this thread

ps: pariergo pou eisai ellhnas bravo

 

[Ahtlehson]

Someone mentioned that soloing isnt just 1 vs 1 fights. Sometimes its just super fun to solo from 3 to 5 people alone. That's the most funniest thing in the whole game!

I still suggest /duel challenge - to those who can't handle the adding.

 

[Kinag]

Someone mentioned that soloing isnt just 1 vs 1 fights. Sometimes its just super fun to solo from 3 to 5 people alone. That's the most funniest thing in the whole game!

I still suggest /duel challenge - to those who can't handle the adding.

Adding isn't the biggest problem though, it's those 3man+ groups who runs around looking for the soloers.

 

[Fahdlan]

got a suggestion here. if I make a thread, with a poll, of some zones people never run in, and we discuss where we are going to go solo etc, just a thought tho. but what do you guys think?

worth a try?

 

[Muylaetrix]

all hardcore soloers should wear a pink outfit and wear a green hat.

all this `have to check if it`s ok to kill this or that target` annoys me.

if the name tag above someone is red, it`s an enemy.

if it`s an enemy, you can kill it.

All this solo and FG stuff is just making this game into a parody tbh.

if you are mid or hib, you are free game INGAME. chances are i would happely drink a beer with you if i met you in the pub though.

If i feel soft of heart and let the grey con live i encounter solo or a soloer while i run with a group, so much the better for you. just don`t count on it.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

all hardcore soloers should wear a pink outfit and wear a green hat.

all this `have to check if it`s ok to kill this or that target` annoys me.

if the name tag above someone is red, it`s an enemy.

if it`s an enemy, you can kill it.

All this solo and FG stuff is just making this game into a parody tbh.

if you are mid or hib, you are free game INGAME. chances are i would happely drink a beer with you if i met you in the pub though.

If i feel soft of heart and let the grey con live i encounter solo or a soloer while i run with a group, so much the better for you. just don`t count on it.

Well said.

 

[Angrist]

all hardcore soloers should wear a pink outfit and wear a green hat.

all this `have to check if it`s ok to kill this or that target` annoys me.

if the name tag above someone is red, it`s an enemy.

if it`s an enemy, you can kill it.

All this solo and FG stuff is just making this game into a parody tbh.

if you are mid or hib, you are free game INGAME. chances are i would happely drink a beer with you if i met you in the pub though.

If i feel soft of heart and let the grey con live i encounter solo or a soloer while i run with a group, so much the better for you. just don`t count on it.

Let's go get that beer muy

 

[Kinag]

Well said.

Why doesn't it surprise me that you agree with that?

You call yourself a soloer, but when it gets tough you run to the nearest group or to an animist shrooming under water.

 

[Matmardigan]

Well said.

Why doesn't it surprise me that you agree with that?

You call yourself a soloer, but when it gets tough you run to the nearest group or to an animist shrooming under water.

hes not just a solo'er, he call himself a Sniper. <- Best joke ever

But he doesnt got it, that Sniping is something different than adding and leeching.

 

[Sorin]

fuck me though. i just saw the name of the armsman in question making this solo posts.

first time I met you I was fighting zefs you come in and stick the pole into me. manage to take zefs down then die to you.

Second time Im fighting a scout (achoz or summin) you run in and stick the pole into me. limitless turns up and pwns you.

Third time I met you was near the base of occasus alb side fighting some crappy inf bang you run in stick the pole into me...

I put you on my add on sight list after that tbh. I hope you get steamrollered more.

Your first post on this page is pretty good,
but this is crap:

Did it ever occur to you that they were asking for help maybe?

Sure, i add.. but never without a reason..

like 2 vs 1.
Revenge on the player who added on me.
My fellow realm mate asking for help.

i hope i can put my RR3L5 pole up in your 10L9 ass again.
And go ahead, add on me, i will do the same on you.
I'm only human.

MFyou...

 

[Ahtlehson]

got a suggestion here. if I make a thread, with a poll, of some zones people never run in, and we discuss where we are going to go solo etc, just a thought tho. but what do you guys think?

worth a try?

Imo you should make one.

 

[Jarroman]

got a suggestion here. if I make a thread, with a poll, of some zones people never run in, and we discuss where we are going to go solo etc, just a thought tho. but what do you guys think?

worth a try?

no offense m8, but i don't see that any different from the attempts previously made, with no result...
if things like that worked then we wouldn't be still talking about em.


ps: all the of the solo comunity comprehends the danger of ending up @
a "1 fight every 15mins" mode? everytime someone looses from someone, he gets pm-ed with stuff like "lets re-duel in 10 mins @ x spot" ! or ... "try winining me without som use" etc ... perhaps we are trying to control the rvr enviroment more than we can, and more than we should?

 

[brad]

no offense m8, but i don't see that any different from the attempts previously made, with no result...
if things like that worked then we wouldn't be still talking about em.

People can try as much as they want tbh. Your basicly saying o it's failed once or twice, there must be no point in trying anymore.

ps: all the of the solo comunity comprehends the danger of ending up @
a "1 fight every 15mins" mode? everytime someone looses from someone, he gets pm-ed with stuff like "lets re-duel in 10 mins @ x spot" ! or ... "try winining me without som use" etc ... perhaps we are trying to control the rvr enviroment more than we can, and more than we should?

Nothing wrong with just saying use the zone area to find some solo fights. If people used nott/bled route that would be good, it's good for roaming around and people arn't just in a duel circle.
Seems all the time people have got <meet in agramon for 8v8 fights on monda or whatever between these times and there's no difference to that compared to the solo area.

 

[Calo]

oh boy, censi once again thinking all this games offers is solo play and that the rest is for lesser players with no life and who probably only have 1 eye..

Yes censi, in your own little small world you are right.

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

oh boy, censi once again thinking all this games offers is solo play and that the rest is for lesser players with no life and who probably only have 1 eye..

Yes censi, in your own little small world you are right.

Pointless post. Think we all know that censi exagerates to make a point.

Again, pointless post.

 

[pip]

oh boy, censi once again thinking all this games offers is solo play and that the rest is for lesser players with no life and who probably only have 1 eye..

Yes censi, in your own little small world you are right.

have a rep

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

ps: all the of the solo comunity comprehends the danger of ending up @
a "1 fight every 15mins" mode? everytime someone looses from someone, he gets pm-ed with stuff like "lets re-duel in 10 mins @ x spot" ! or ... "try winining me without som use" etc ... perhaps we are trying to control the rvr enviroment more than we can, and more than we should?

I think you got a valid point here.

As I see it, mythic have changed the game rvr structure alot since OF times. Remember one light eld that shouted alot that NF made DAoC like planetside, everyone laughed at him then and took it as whine, but tbh he had a point.
They took away traveling, making ppl port to hot zones instead of traveling there.
In OF there where diffrent "stages" or maybe you can call it diffrent degrees of "intensity" of the rvr. As you travled you got close to the hot spot, you had a choice either camp futher up the road or further down, depending on how much heat you could take.
Now you basically port to the hotzone, near bridges, mainkeeps and their towers, where alot of ppl cluster.
It is Obvious to me that those zones are really bad for small scale/solo rvr. The little journey back to emain during OF was like a cool-down effect as a hib, you knew that if you died you would get penalised, so it made u careful in ur play and u chosed your fights, no1 ran around adding mindlessly in bowl. Many times 2-3 stealthers could just roam around eachother well knowing that if I pop him or add on this fight ill get killed instantly. During my stay in NF rvr scen it was nothing like that, but ppl doorsteped at their own main keep bridges poping anything that moves, chasing ppl etc all with backup from their realm mates etc.

I never understood why on earth they changed the RvR map it is like fixing a car that is not broken. Maybe the keeps was outdated on graphics and function but that could easily been altered/updated. The NF map is the problem. Asking for solo zones and duel circles might be fun for a while but it will never be as good as OF solo game. The map structure is just to diffrent.

Maybe when WAR goes live and daoc get less and less prioritized they might release an OF classic server with one patch that they won't update but like an 'golden era' server, with only a handful of GMs/devs that take care of the server maintaince, but not implementing anything new.
I don't know but, as Jarro says trying to control the rvr enviroment to much might not work that well since the design by itself is contra your playstyle.

 

[kivik]

All this solo and FG stuff is just making this game into a parody tbh.

don't understand what you mean with that... could you explain?

I don't know but, as Jarro says trying to control the rvr enviroment to much might not work that well since the design by itself is contra your playstyle.

Agree.

We've just got to live with this adding/zerging fest going on. And the rest of you will have to live with our whining

 

[Coldbeard]

have a rep

Getting reputation from pip is a clear indication your post is shit

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

Getting reputation from pip is a clear indication your post is shit

xD!

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

btw where is pips warlock movie ?

 

[Punj]

Utter bull shit :d

I actually admire the people who zerg who see someone elses point of view, EG. They zerg yes, Thats there play style - But they dont deny others may find solo fun etc.

Unlike the "This is the way the game MUST be played mates ;d"

if the game was designed for 1 vs 1 both toons would be locked down once they start a fight and nobody would be able to add, i'm not saying people shouldn't solo, i'm saying the game wasn't designed that way and people shouldn't expect to be able to solo all day when there is supposedly a 3 way fight between realms fighting for control of each others lands.

this same arguement applies to 8 vs 8 moaners.

 

[Cogan]

it's all about there important number counter going up the way as fast as they can get it to go,they'll tell you it's about "fun" and having "good fights" but tbh they just wanna see those numbers go up and get closer to that soloers title.

*cough* Yeah... thats it... it really is...

 

[Punj]

*cough* Yeah... thats it... it really is...

tbh i'd like to see a system where rps were deducted for losing a fight

 

[Sorin]

The game is designed for everyone to play the way they like, solo or grp.

The only problem is that not many seem to respect that.

I got a really crazy, almost sick idea:

Fg Jumps a soloer looking for a fair fight-
soloer becomes lvl 80 the second the "grp casts a spell/swings a weapon"
and lvl 50 again once soloer or grp dies.

Then it would be a fair fight.

please don't take my dreams away.. and for those who do:

/Asskick in head.

Anyway.. its actually the same princip as when some of us- - kills a grey player in df.. how low can you go?? uke:

Its the same as a fg killing a soloer.

Personaly i only kill greys if they attack me or in any way tries to stop me..

And usualy i disband grps who kills soloers. "when I'm in a grp"

taking about grping= Not many low RRs gets good or any grps in rvr, i mean.. sure i can get my merc, people will start inviting, but thats only cuz my /title is Master Soldier.. before that.. well.. no grp, unless i knew someone.

Some of you guys got some really good opinions..
its a shame that only Mythic can change the univers.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

The game is designed for everyone to play the way they like, solo or grp.

The only problem is that not many seem to respect that.

I got a really crazy, almost sick idea:

Fg Jumps a soloer looking for a fair fight-
soloer becomes lvl 80 the second the "grp casts a spell/swings a weapon"
and lvl 50 again once soloer or grp dies.

Then it would be a fair fight.

please don't take my dreams away.. and for those who do:

/Asskick in head.

Anyway.. its actually the same princip as when some of us- - kills a grey player in df.. how low can you go?? uke:

Its the same as a fg killing a soloer.

Personaly i only kill greys if they attack me or in any way tries to stop me..

And usualy i disband grps who kills soloers. "when I'm in a grp"

taking about grping= Not many low RRs gets good or any grps in rvr, i mean.. sure i can get my merc, people will start inviting, but thats only cuz my /title is Master Soldier.. before that.. well.. no grp, unless i knew someone.

Some of you guys got some really good opinions..
its a shame that only Mythic can change the univers.

Reading that was like trying to read Shaun Ryders lyrics in the late 80's.