So...respec is here....what are you doing?

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old.giriam

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Originally posted by Lessurl

3. Comparing the void eld to fire wiz is what makes me laugh most. Perhaps fire wiz is what void should have been, being the damage spec in the magic realm. But saying we should get a spec dd aswell as a more powerful bolt, lol, how overpowered do you want hib?!? Void elds have far more utility than fire wizzies if both spec for final bolt. We get stun, (and if we go light) range debuff and mez.
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The stun now lasts for about 1 second longer than it takes to cast it at most, wizards get a 76 second (thats baseline, and its cold damage so in effect its a lot shorter) root. I would trade away the aoe mez (50% drop off at edges, coldbased, short duration to begin with) and the stun any day of the week for their basedamage and root.

All the crowdcontrol in the world wont help you if you dont deal damage, thats why you dont see bards running around soloing in rvr.

and if you like hanging around amg with a zerg and getting a few bolt kills in then by all means continue to do so, im just saying that void deals *significantly* less damage than other pure casters (mind you i dont know the midgard numbers by heart) and the CC it gets to "make up for it" is laughably bad.

If void is your primary speccline then you get bad damage AND bad cc, i would prefer it if it did one of the things good and forget the other.

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old.Charonel

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given the choice between a fire wiz and a void eld i'd choose a void eld any day, although over time i've gotten bored of void and respecced, i'd have gotten bored of a fire wiz a LOT longer ago, i believe the key word here is versatility :). a fire wiz is just to one sided for my liking, and enjoyment matters more than everything else i think.
 
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Danya

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Can't say I've noticed my stuns being 3.5 seconds much lately, normally about 5 or 6 (for the 8s stun) which is enough for a couple of nukes (or in my case a dot and nuke).
 
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boni_ofdavoid

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Originally posted by old.Charonel

now when the bolts hit, usually an orange kill was both bolts and a single DD which is basically nothing with regards to power burn, but when they miss you'r looking at christ knows howmany DD's a stun, maybe a quickcast DD too even, void is very efficient (note that word) against yellows, but on oranges you can get scary variance on efficiency, if i miss bolts with orange mobs then i'm looking at my entire power bar dissapearing on the one kill, especially if there's no way to run from it (insta stun on some mobs etc...), on the other hand if they hit i'm looking at a stupidly easy kill, problem is that they missed a LOT on oranges.
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I can only assume the problem may have been the type of oranges you were soloing*. My bolts missed INFREQUENTLY and only if both missed do I have to resort to stunn, and only if a stunn misses do I EVER restort to a qc. Believe me when I say soloing oranges is fine for void, I did it 45-50 faster than fins groups...

*hint for voiders: go for enemies weak to cold, that move slowly, have no nasty ranged attack thats gonna cause you problems, i.e. no insta-stunn, I dread to think what you were soloing there Charonel...
 
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Danya

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With 3 power relics all casters should be doing oranges.
 
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old.Charonel

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usual orange mobs i was soloing were lesser banshee's, which while giving +damage, were a bit nasty because of the following reason:

problem is that they have an insta DD which can interupt you once they get close enough, which also pushes you towards needing a qc DD if the bolts miss and it manages to get that close to you, and if you've just been in need for a stun, and they hit you then, that's when the power bar goes for a jog :), quickcasting a stun as a void eld is utter wreckage and destruction to your mana bar, yet many times on these i had to do it :(, that said the caster cloth drops from those are more than worth it :D.

and with regards my miss rate, on yellows i tend to miss about 1/4 of the bolts, on oranges it's getting closer to 1/2, not quite half but getting there, trouble is that as a void eld your main damage takes place in that spec bolt, i was knocking off half an orange con lesser banshee's health bar in that first hit, everything else was just finishing it off, missing that spec bolt is a huge blow to your ability to kill it while burning little mana.
 
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old.Arya

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Originally posted by Tyka
Harle swap the points you put into parry to blades, parry will never work as you want it (like in pve).
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On vnboards are quiet a lot of whines about " I wish I had spent more points in parry" "Give us another repsec because parry works now" etc. past 1.53. But maybe those guys don't know what they talking about...... :rolleyes:
 
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Wuren

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You mean same guys who posted for 5 months that Cuuldurach was imortal?
 
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old.Charonel

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hope parry has been fixed because for too long now defensive specced tanks have been thourghly gimped by all their spec points (or a lot of em anyway :)) being spent on a defensive system which simply doesnt happen, will be about time it was fixed.
 
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Lessurl

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Originally posted by old.giriam




If void is your primary speccline then you get bad damage AND bad cc, i would prefer it if it did one of the things good and forget the other.

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Bad damage eh?

http://www.lessurl.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/Dmg1.jpg
http://www.lessurl.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/Dmg2.jpg
http://www.lessurl.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/Dmg3.jpg
http://www.lessurl.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/Dmg4.jpg

mmmkay.

Just a few random screenies of bolts i've fired recently (since patch, some are from gorre)

Oh, and a question to any others who have stayed void. Have you noticed your bolts are hitting cap a lot more since patch?
 
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boni_ofdavoid

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Originally posted by Lessurl


Oh, and a question to any others who have stayed void. Have you noticed your bolts are hitting cap a lot more since patch?
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Yeah, first couple I fired did cap damage, I wonder what subtle mechanic shift did that, anyway im not gonna complain :)
 
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Tyka

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Originally posted by old.Arya


On vnboards are quiet a lot of whines about " I wish I had spent more points in parry" "Give us another repsec because parry works now" etc. past 1.53. But maybe those guys don't know what they talking about...... :rolleyes:
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Oh really? i read those boards daily and havent seen anyone saying they are a happy with parry, would be nice if u showed me one of those " I wish I had spent more points in parry" thread, plz arya :rolleyes:
 
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Novamir

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same.

the best thing i've read about parry was the champ TL stating that parry had "slightly improved"
 
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old.Arya

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Originally posted by Tyka


Oh really? i read those boards daily and havent seen anyone saying they are a happy with parry, would be nice if u showed me one of those " I wish I had spent more points in parry" thread, plz arya :rolleyes:
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Oh really? i read those boards daily <-- /bow

havent seen anyone saying they are a happy with parry <-- try harder

if u showed me one of those " I wish I had spent more points in parry" thread <-- there is no thread with this topic or even near it, ever heard of sarcasm ? :p

You're right. :D
 
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old.giriam

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Originally posted by Lessurl

Bad damage eh?

http://www.lessurl.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/Dmg1.jp
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Ive never said that bolts cant kill casters. throw the same bolt at a tank and you do 260 or so damage. oo and they have twice the HP of a caster aswell, really usefull. yes void does crap damage apart from the bolt (IF you aim it at a caster and IF it doesnt get blocked the melee bug). if you are unable to see that there is little point in continuing this discussion.

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Lessurl

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Originally posted by old.giriam


Ive never said that bolts cant kill casters. throw the same bolt at a tank and you do 260 or so damage. oo and they have twice the HP of a caster aswell, really usefull. yes void does crap damage apart from the bolt (IF you aim it at a caster and IF it doesnt get blocked the melee bug). if you are unable to see that there is little point in continuing this discussion.

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I didn't say it did good damage to tanks. I am trying to refute your point which seems to be that void is a useless spec. What is the cry at the start of every rvr battle? (ok, apart from "mez ffs!!" or "fook, i'm mezzed", or "someone kill that f-in healer") It's "kill the casters!". So my void spec abilities don't drop tanks quite as fast as light/mana but thanks to range and the damage on bolts (quite often one bolting nowadays) i can kill those casters faster than the other specs hence reducing the damage capability of the opposing group faster. One bolt from me dropping that rm/sorc/fire wiz who may have gone on to mez most of my group or nuke a few group members for a lot of damage can change the outcome of a fight. Always kill the casters first because they can deal a lot more damage over time than the tanks and plus thanks to paper armour and low hps they drop a lot easier reducing the damage output of opposing group faster. Maybe you are someone who likes to quickly target the closest opponent then get off on the uber damage you are doing to this person (almost certainly a tank) whilst the rest of you grp get nuked to crap by the mages. I dunno. But i personally prefer to pick my targets intelligently so that i cause the most gain to my grp by my casts. Let the tanks deal with the tanks i say, i will kill the mages then help them finish the tanks after. Only time i will nuke a tank before a mage is if he is on the bard/another mage in group.


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Originally posted by old.giriam


that being said, yes; lightspecc is what gives the best DD damage over time in hibernia, only its the baseline light DD that actually comes out on top if you do the numbers. (lower basedamage but less resist and faster casts).

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With my void 46 (as high as you really should take void as full spec voider) light 27 + 14 with items and rr (41 for the mathematically challenged :p ) I use the baseline light dd iwth very little variance as my main close range attack. So i get the bolts and the best dd (according to your good self) so how exaclty is my damage bad?

DISCLAIMER: This is not a flame at Giriam and i have nothing against him at all. This is merely me arguing my point and being confrontational is often the best way to get it accross. After debates and stuff like that (never been to one but i imagine this is what happens :p ) the contestants shake hands etc. No hard feelings. Same go for here (from me anyway).
 
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old.Charonel

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Originally posted by Lessurl
After debates and stuff like that (never been to one but i imagine this is what happens :p ) the contestants shake hands etc. No hard feelings. Same go for here (from me anyway).
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eh? was under the impression that they run around in vast riots burning each others shops and things? but maybe footballs been on the news too much recently :D
 
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PJS

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The reason your bolts are doing uber damage and 1 shotting is because ALL casters AF is bugged at the moment.
 
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Lessurl

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Yes i heard about that recently. Wondered why last few assasins dropped me so fast, thought they had got lucky crits. Normally i can get a qc mez off b4 i die... not anymore.
 
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