Smoking bans

[Morchaoron]

but i dont like my environment being spoiled! when i walk down the street, the cars make my CO levels go up. the amount of dB they make causes damage to my ears! if i cycle behind a bus, damnit i cant breath!

you must take away peoples rights to use vehicles, because i dont like it!

you will like the concequences of doing that even less then you like the cars being here now...

however, good luck on finding people to support your plan, i suggest you make another thread where you can see if the support you get is in comparison with the support of the ban in this thread

 

[tris-]

do i not have the right to walk around without my health being effect by fumes?

 

[Morchaoron]

do i not have the right to walk around without my health being effect by fumes?

nope, you dont apparently, because if you had, it would probably cause your countries' economy (and most likely governement) to collapse, which would have concequences that are even worse then walking in a environment with car fumes....

 

[Calaen]

People who get aids could just have watched a porn movie and whacked off instead so no help for them either.


I RESPECT peoples choices so when im in the company of non smokers i dont smoke in their vicinity, and I want them to respect MY choice in return.

What it boils down to: Respect of the Individuals right to choose, and yes it works BOTH WAYS =D


NB: Question: Why are there always non smokers in the smoking launge?

Forgive me if I am wrong but I am sure Aids has not been directly linked to HIV?

 

[tris-]

i guess we will just have to agree to disagree,
we live in a democracy where the majority vote rules, and the majority has spoken evidently

yes, the houses of parliament is the majority

lol.

just for shits and giggles i thought id mention something i seen the other day.

a bus shelter with one plastic 'wall' and a half roof on the top. a sign inside says "no smoking in this shelter, fine £xxx".

if the government thinks even outside isnt ventilated good enough, then im not suprised they think its impossible to ventilate a pub.

nope, you dont apparently, because if you had, it would probably cause your countries' economy (and most likely governement) to collapse, which would have concequences that are even worse then walking in a environment with car fumes....

i guess you never got the point then?

 

[Calaen]

If it was just down to the public to decide whether to go to Pub-A or Pub-B due to one allowing smoking and one not then this would be fine.

But you have to think of the members of staff that work int hese Pubs, maybe that was the only job they could get after being made redundant from there previous job, maybe they have two kids to support - is it fair for the owner of that pub to say if you want the job you have to put up with people smoking.

I've been smoking 20 a day and welcome a public ban, If i want a fag I can just go outside but for those people who have to work ina smokey environment they do not have that option.

Best post in this thread.

 

[Calaen]

do i not have the right to walk around without my health being effect by fumes?

If you compare the two stop everyone from smoking taxes go on other things to even the loss out. Stop vehicles the whole world goes tits up

they seem even enough I agree with you

 

[Morchaoron]

i guess you never got the point then?

Oh im sure i got the point, i just look at it from a different perspective, its not that black/white...

 

[tris-]

If you compare the two stop everyone from smoking taxes go on other things to even the loss out. Stop vehicles the whole world goes tits up

they seem even enough I agree with you

so you would rally for your own benefit, to have clean air in a public house.

but if i want clean air outside, you wouldnt be too botherd?

 

[Morchaoron]

but if i want clean air outside, you wouldnt be too botherd?

i would be, i too think the air should be much cleaner then it is now, however, in order to do that, we would have to sacrifice ALOT, much much more then 'not being able to smoke in a bar'...

 

[Rediknight]

right, last post from me as this has obviously gone waay over the heads of a lot of people on here and they've either missed the point, are just selfish bastards or can't understand that this law, though miniscule in it's self, has far more consequences than just what it says on the tin.

Smoking is legal. Buying cigarettes is legal (heavily taxed too). If the government REALLY had our health as it's concern then why did they not just ban cigarettes outright? Because of the loss of reveniew and friends. Don't be fooled into thinking that your health or mine is top of the list of their concerns.

A ban was implemented in super quick time concerning smoking in venues where food is served - and completely fair a ban it is. Anyone who smokes near people eating is selfish and thoughtless. Anyone who smokes and eats at the same time is a freak. I would guess that a very high percentage of people would be in favor of that rule.

With the decision to ban smoking (as stated, a legal pasttime) in ALL bars and pubs, without any proper consultation or consideration of the options, the government appear to be ignoring a huge section of the very people who voted them in - the people they are meant to represent. I'm not going for any kind of pity vote, i'm standing up for my rights - nothing more.

I see no reason posted here, or spoken by any government or anti-smoking spokesperson (thats a hell of a mouthful) that separate, clearly signposted "SMOKING ALLOWED" and "NO SMOKING" pubs, the status of which decided on by the landlord/brewery, would be of any harm. If i am allowed to smoke in my house and put a bar in it then what's the difference in me going to a pub where EVERYONE smokes?

People say, "but i want the choice to be able to have a drink and not go home with face cancer/smelly clothes/heart disease/brown teeth" ... and whatever, well then don't come into bars that are posted "SMOKING ALLOWED" then!

Sadly, if this was the case and bars became polarised towards either choice, even if every pub in this entire country accept ten of them were no-smoking, you could bet the militant, selfish anti-smoking brigade wouldn't rest until those ten were out of business.

All you non-smokers calling me selfish - think about that. Think about how much of a hypocrytical stance it is to take to scream at someone that they HAVE to do something because YOU want it so, then call them selfish.

With this decision the government have taken away one little piece of every persons freedom of choice.

I can promise you this won't be the last, and if you anti-smoking people can't see past the depth of the consequences of going down that road, then maybe we deserve all we get.

Thanks, i'm here all week


please, try the fish

 

[Dimse Dut]

right, last post from me as this has obviously gone waay over the heads of a lot of people on here and they've either missed the point, are just selfish bastards or can't understand that this law, though miniscule in it's self, has far more consequences than just what it says on the tin.

Smoking is legal. Buying cigarettes is legal (heavily taxed too). If the government REALLY had our health as it's concern then why did they not just ban cigarettes outright? Because of the loss of reveniew and friends. Don't be fooled into thinking that your health or mine is top of the list of their concerns.

A ban was implemented in super quick time concerning smoking in venues where food is served - and completely fair a ban it is. Anyone who smokes near people eating is selfish and thoughtless. Anyone who smokes and eats at the same time is a freak. I would guess that a very high percentage of people would be in favor of that rule.

With the decision to ban smoking (as stated, a legal pasttime) in ALL bars and pubs, without any proper consultation or consideration of the options, the government appear to be ignoring a huge section of the very people who voted them in - the people they are meant to represent. I'm not going for any kind of pity vote, i'm standing up for my rights - nothing more.

I see no reason posted here, or spoken by any government or anti-smoking spokesperson (thats a hell of a mouthful) that separate, clearly signposted "SMOKING ALLOWED" and "NO SMOKING" pubs, the status of which decided on by the landlord/brewery, would be of any harm. If i am allowed to smoke in my house and put a bar in it then what's the difference in me going to a pub where EVERYONE smokes?

People say, "but i want the choice to be able to have a drink and not go home with face cancer/smelly clothes/heart disease/brown teeth" ... and whatever, well then don't come into bars that are posted "SMOKING ALLOWED" then!

Sadly, if this was the case and bars became polarised towards either choice, even if every pub in this entire country accept ten of them were no-smoking, you could bet the militant, selfish anti-smoking brigade wouldn't rest until those ten were out of business.

All you non-smokers calling me selfish - think about that. Think about how much of a hypocrytical stance it is to take to scream at someone that they HAVE to do something because YOU want it so, then call them selfish.

With this decision the government have taken away one little piece of every persons freedom of choice.

I can promise you this won't be the last, and if you anti-smoking people can't see past the depth of the consequences of going down that road, then maybe we deserve all we get.

Thanks, i'm here all week


please, try the fish

:worthy:

They better not start getting fishy thoughts about Cookies or its WAR!

 

[Alan]

If i am allowed to smoke in my house and put a bar in it then what's the difference in me going to a pub where EVERYONE smokes?

Simple... you DONT employ staff at your house, these bar's and other public places do. The government ban is not about protecting you or the other people who can get up and walk away - its protecting the employee that is forced to work in such an environment.

And dont say only employ smokers then, thats pure discrimination

 

[Mikah75]

:worthy:

They better not start getting fishy thoughts about Cookies or its WAR!

:worthy:
hi dimse xD!

/from ruffie

 

[noblok]

Yet it is morally fine to fill other people who like you, enjoy a night in a pub/club with the pollution you are exhaling?

If you did it for the sole purpose to damage these people, yes. I assume most smokers smoke for another reason though.

the analogy was simply to illustrate that just because people can do something doesnt make it any more right

Then you should've picked a different analogy. Comparing smokers to psychopathic murderers isn't fair. I don't smoke myself by the way, just commenting on the argumentation.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Simple... you DONT employ staff at your house, these bar's and other public places do. The government ban is not about protecting you or the other people who can get up and walk away - its protecting the employee that is forced to work in such an environment.

And dont say only employ smokers then, thats pure discrimination

What if you got a butler, a maid and a chauffeur?

 

[Dimse Dut]

i guess we will just have to agree to disagree,
we live in a democracy where the majority vote rules, and the majority has spoken evidently

Thats the whole point THERE WAS NO VOTE!!

 

[chretien]

Thats the whole point THERE WAS NO VOTE!!

Yes there was. The people of the UK voted for politicians to make decisions for them. Those politicians voted amongst themselves to ban smoking. That's how it works, that's democracy. If the people that you chose to make decisions for you made decisions that you disagreed with then you can choose a different set of people next time around.

 

[Dimse Dut]

Yes there was. The people of the UK voted for politicians to make decisions for them. Those politicians voted amongst themselves to ban smoking. That's how it works, that's democracy. If the people that you chose to make decisions for you made decisions that you disagreed with then you can choose a different set of people next time around.

Thats to easy an answer. It would in fact mean that they could make anything legal without anyone being able to do anything about it? =D

 

[Morchaoron]

People say, "but i want the choice to be able to have a drink and not go home with face cancer/smelly clothes/heart disease/brown teeth" ... and whatever, well then don't come into bars that are posted "SMOKING ALLOWED" then!

well now if you want to smoke, dont come in places where "SMOKING NOT ALLOWED"

Sadly, if this was the case and bars became polarised towards either choice, even if every pub in this entire country accept ten of them were no-smoking, you could bet the militant, selfish anti-smoking brigade wouldn't rest until those ten were out of business.

untrue, im quite pro smoking myself since people who smoke die earlier ( http://www.wpro.who.int/media_centre/fact_sheets/fs_20020528.htm ), which saves the society quite some money (<-- plx dont flame me for that, remember its their choice to smoke, not mine, which i respect, nor am i wishing any of you dead), im not anti-smoking, i just dont want to participate in the activity myself

All you non-smokers calling me selfish - think about that. Think about how much of a hypocrytical stance it is to take to scream at someone that they HAVE to do something because YOU want it so, then call them selfish.

both are equally selfish, only that its hard to let someone suffer from somone not smoking

With the decision to ban smoking (as stated, a legal pasttime) in ALL bars and pubs, without any proper consultation or consideration of the options, the government appear to be ignoring a huge section of the very people who voted them in - the people they are meant to represent.

the governement in my country made some changes alot of people didnt like either, and polls have shown that they WILL lose votes next elections...
so i would say: smokers unite and vote pro-smoking parties, make them shit 7 different colors in fear, it will make them think twice...

right, last post from me as this has obviously gone waay over the heads of a lot of people on here and they've either missed the point, are just selfish bastards or can't understand that this law, though miniscule in it's self, has far more consequences than just what it says on the tin.

..............

I can promise you this won't be the last, and if you anti-smoking people can't see past the depth of the consequences of going down that road, then maybe we deserve all we get.

yeah thats the same they said here when they prohibited smoking in trains... then the vote to prohibit it in bars didnt pass, so much for the prophecy....
but if you think thats true: sit down, relax, and light another cig while you still can

 

[Chronictank]

yes, the houses of parliament is the majority

lol.

you vote (Asuming you vote otherwise you just sacrificed your right to a opinion on the running of the country) in people to govern the country.
Said people you voted for then vote to make decisions on how the country is run, the majority gets a bill passed/declined.
Thats what we call a democracy,
/end sarcastic tone

so yes, it was a majority vote

edt: sos just saw cretien's post

 

[Morchaoron]

Thats to easy an answer. It would in fact mean that they could make anything legal without anyone being able to do anything about it? =D

no, they cannot....

 

[Dimse Dut]

well now if you want to smoke, dont come in places where "SMOKING NOT ALLOWED"
untrue, im quite pro smoking myself since people who smoke die earlier ( http://www.wpro.who.int/media_centre/fact_sheets/fs_20020528.htm), which saves the society quite some money (<-- plx dont flame me for that, remember its their choice to smoke, not mine, which i respect), im not anti-smoking, i just dont want to participate in the activity myself

both are equally selfish, only that its hard to let someone suffer from somonenot smoking

Telling people that your happy about their deaths no matter what reason or forum is sick,twisted and perverted. Im ashamed on your behalf because you seem to have lost all sence of decency just to get your point across.

Found this on the site you quated as source
( source: WHO Global Status Report on Alcohol 2004 )
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Alcohol may be the source of the following:
Falls
Drownings
Epilepsy
Homicide
Haemorrhagic stroke
Motor vehicle accidents
Poisonings
Ischaemic heart disease
Cirrhosis of the liver
Oropharyngeal cancer
Diabetes
Cholelithiasis
Breast Cancer
Liver Cancer
oesophageal cancer
Unipolar depressive disorders
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Personally I would like to add to the list: Rape, Violence in the home and other forms physical of abuse.

 

[Cemeterygates]

But before you become addicted you make the choice to keep doing it knowing you might become addicted.

thats what i said isnt it....innitialy its choice....but then it isnt....

 

[Calaen]

Telling people that your happy about their deaths no matter what reason or forum is sick,twisted and perverted. Im ashamed on your behalf because you seem to have lost all sence of decency just to get your point across.

Found this on the site you quated as source
( source: WHO Global Status Report on Alcohol 2004 )
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Alcohol may be the source of the following:
Falls
Drownings
Epilepsy
Homicide
Haemorrhagic stroke
Motor vehicle accidents
Poisonings
Ischaemic heart disease
Cirrhosis of the liver
Oropharyngeal cancer
Diabetes
Cholelithiasis
Breast Cancer
Liver Cancer
oesophageal cancer
Unipolar depressive disorders
----------------------------------------------

Personally I would like to add to the list: Rape, Violence in the home and other forms physical of abuse.

Well lets get stupid we could add car accidents for people smoking at the wheel and lets not forget house fires from noobs falling asleep with a cigarette. Bringing Rape and stuff into this post is actually fucking bizzare.

And he didnt actually say he was happy that people were dying, but hey this is FH everything you type can be read as something else.

 

[Calaen]

thats what i said isnt it....innitialy its choice....but then it isnt....

Never ending circle.... if you are told something is bad for you before you try it you then make a decision to try it knowing it is harmful to you. Yes if you keep doing it you become addicted but you already know that because you have been warned since you were at school. You cannot then complain and moan as if no one has warned you.

 

[Morchaoron]

Telling people that your happy about their deaths no matter what reason or forum is sick,twisted and perverted. Im ashamed on your behalf because you seem to have lost all sence of decency just to get your point across.

where did i say that i was 'happy' about it? -_-
it is merely convienient that they choose to live shorter lives, it is their choice, and that what its all about for some people here right? freedom of choice? you have that choice aswell...

no need to feel ashamed on my behalf and such....

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

Hmmm,

See i don't mind the goal of the smoking ban , Making the workplace enviorment safer and healthier. I'm all for that.

What i do have a major problem with is that theyw ay the bans have been put into effect.

I've gone through the smoking ban in Ireland, and it's fine , i'm used to it. It's going to be interesting to see how it's gona happen in Glasgow.

The pubs in the city center don't have the space to set up a beer garden/smoking area, while the pubs in the West end should be able to sort this out easy.


I've recently been in hopital with a breathing related illness.
Now i did smoke ( i say did as i havn't had a ciggy in 11 days now)
The biggest thing i've noticed that my sense of smell has come back with a vengence.
Most people would think "Great" , no not really, I smell stuff that people just can't pick up on at all.

Over all my point is , Don't give into the Nanny state.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Never ending circle.... if you are told something is bad for you before you try it you then make a decision to try it knowing it is harmful to you. Yes if you keep doing it you become addicted but you already know that because you have been warned since you were at school. You cannot then complain and moan as if no one has warned you.

Well, back in the day noone told me it was harmful.

 

[Krait]

Simple... you DONT employ staff at your house, these bar's and other public places do. The government ban is not about protecting you or the other people who can get up and walk away - its protecting the employee that is forced to work in such an environment.

And dont say only employ smokers then, thats pure discrimination

Shame it dos'nt include Hotel staff,prison officers or anyone else who works in what is considered a home.
The law was'nt made to protect employees. :/