Smoking banned in all pubs/clubs

[Tom]

Good.

 

[DaGaffer]

As a non-smoker of....45 days, I concur.

 

[KevinUK]

What you said.

Now can we ban them from smoking right next to entrances of buildings, I dont like the concentrated smoke cloud I have to walk through.

 

[nath]

As a non-smoker I feel I should give a shit more, but honestly despite the fact that a night out leaves my clothes stinking of smoke - I'm really not that bothered either way.

 

[Wij]

Police state !

 

[Trem]

I want to quit but all this is bullshit.

If they want to ban it just fucking ban it. But oh wait, they can't do that as they make so much money from tobacco. If they made tobacco illegal it would stop me smoking straight away.

Fucking hypocrits(did I spell that right?)

 

[Draylor]

Sigh.

Living in Ireland we've had the smoking ban for a while now (no smoking in enclosed public places) and as a smoker its not a good thing. I quit about a month before it came into force, and lasted about 6 months

Non smoking areas, some no smoking pubs, whatever, that'd be fair enough. A blanket ban on enjoying a cigarette with a pint is just cruel (surely it should be against some human rights act ) Now it seems I wont even be able to do that when Im back in the UK.

To the happy non-smokers: I hope you enjoy fighting your way through crowds of smokers outside pubs, that'll be coming your way very soon.

From the BBCs site:

Liberal Democrat Steve Webb said: "This legislation is good news for tens of thousands of bar staff up and down the country.

Tell that to those in Ireland who lost their jobs as a result of reduced takings as a direct result of the smoking ban. The same will be repeated in the UK without a doubt.

 

[ECA]

I want to quit but all this is bullshit.

If they want to ban it just fucking ban it. But oh wait, they can't do that as they make so much money from tobacco. If they made tobacco illegal it would stop me smoking straight away.

Fucking hypocrits(did I spell that right?)

I don't think so trem, the cost to the state in health services is _far_ more than the state makes from taxes.

 

[tris-]

still a year to go.

ive been really unselfish for the time ive smoked, about 8 years. i make it my business not to bother people. i will go right out my way to enjoy this legal treat.

now i will make it my business to blow smoke in the face of every non smoker i can find.

soon alcohol will be barred from pubs and clubs.
go go super nanny government.

how they gonna enforce it anyway? bar everyone they find smoking? i bet those places would have about 3/4 less of the people they got now if they did it.

 

[Conchabar]

words cant express, the hatred i feel for the establishment right now.

 

[Earl]

I want to quit but all this is bullshit.

If they want to ban it just fucking ban it. But oh wait, they can't do that as they make so much money from tobacco. If they made tobacco illegal it would stop me smoking straight away.

Fucking hypocrits(did I spell that right?)

People still smoke weed

 

[Litmus]

more harm is caused to people by drink related incidents(also costs a shit load more tax payers money), whens the last time someone walking down the road at 1am smokeing a cigg caused a problem?, and whens the last time someone smashed out there face on 10pints of stella caused a problem walking down your street at 1am... last friday maybe?

maybe we should ban alchol from bars/pubs next.

 

[Trem]

I don't think so trem, the cost to the state in health services is _far_ more than the state makes from taxes.

I (surprise) disagree with that.

I would like to know the figure that the goverment makes off tobacco.

 

[nath]

whens the last time someone walking down the road at 1am smokeing a cigg caused a problem?

No one is banning that though.

 

[Sar]

Good thing.

I hate breathing in smoke when I'm trying to eat. The wife now sits in the kitchen and smokes, away from me and the daughter.

 

[Wij]

I don't think so trem, the cost to the state in health services is _far_ more than the state makes from taxes.

As far as I was aware the amount raised by tobacco tax outweighed the cost of smoking related illness to the NHS by about 6 to 1.

Maybe that was when they factored in the fact that lung cancer victims aren't living off the NHS until the age of 98 like non-smokers but even so it's pretty conclusive that smokers fund their health problems and more besides.

 

[Ch3tan]

I'm glad I wont come out of pubs stinking of smoke, or have to inhale smoke when this comes into effect. However I really wouldnt mind too much if it didnt happen. It's my choice to go into pubs and clubs, and I know there is going to be smokers there.

What I feel would be better is a ban on smoking in public places where there is no choice, all workplaces, shopping centers, even high streets. They should also look at improving non-smoking areas in pubs and clubs. Why have non-smoking areas at the back of pubs? Why make non-smokers walk through the smoke? Better ventilation would be helpful as well. It's common sense which a lot of pubs, clubs and even restaurants dont seem to be able to grasp.

 

[Wij]

I'm glad I wont come out of pubs stinking of smoke, or have to inhale smoke when this comes into effect. However I really wouldnt mind too much if it didnt happen. It's my choice to go into pubs and clubs, and I know there is going to be smokers there.

What I feel would be better is a ban on smoking in public places where there is no choice, all workplaces, shopping centers, even high streets. They should also look at improving non-smoking areas in pubs and clubs. Why have non-smoking areas at the back of pubs? Why make non-smokers walk through the smoke? Better ventilation would be helpful as well. It's common sense which a lot of pubs, clubs and even restaurants dont seem to be able to grasp.

Sounds a much fairer solution tbh.

 

[Uriel]

I (surprise) disagree with that.

I would like to know the figure that the goverment makes off tobacco.

Accordian to today's Independent...

Britain has the highest tobacco taxes in the EU, with £3.84 in every £4.80 pack of cigarettes going to the Treasury.
These duties total £9.5bn annually.

Smoking costs the NHS almost £2bn a year

Source: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article345289.ece

Just for the record, I'm not a smoker, but I don't agree with the ban. The science behind deaths due to passive smoking is still pretty much unproven afaik and although I think it's a pretty horrible habit I'm not sure it's up to the government to intervene.

 

[tris-]

No one is banning that though.

well i think he is trying to say alcohol is also bad for everyones health.

ban alcohol, down with fun!

 

[Draylor]

Smoking costs the NHS almost £2bn a year

Really you could make those figures prove anything you want. Some of the numbers in that article are facts, some are dodgy, some are downright ridiculous.

What is a smoking related cost to the NHS? Any condition thats potentially affected by smoking in any smoker? In any ex-smoker? How do they get reliable, accurate numbers on the cost to the NHS of passive smoking?

I smell bullshit

 

[DaGaffer]

I don't think so trem, the cost to the state in health services is _far_ more than the state makes from taxes.

no it isn't. CBA to dig out all the info again, but we've had this debate before, back in the BW days. They make FAR more money out cigarette duty, but of course it doesn't go the NHS any more than your road tax goes on roads.

 

[RandomBastard]

I personally am in favour of the smoking ban because not enough pubs have nosmoking areas, if people wish to tar there lungs to death in the comfort of the homes fine but i dont want my precious beer tainted by the smoke.

 

[yaruar]

As far as I was aware the amount raised by tobacco tax outweighed the cost of smoking related illness to the NHS by about 6 to 1.

True, but at the same time that doesn't factor in other economic and fiscal costs. Estimates of 50million working days being lost to smoking related illness every year, costs of benefits to those sick from smoking related illness. Benefits and pensions to dependants of smokers, etc. The time sick off work equates to 50% of the revenue from tobacco if worked out from wages alone.....

 

[mank!]

i'm properly fucked off about this.

i've not been smoking that long to be fair and i'm not a heavy smoker, i rarely smoke at home but if i'm out - whether it be a few drinks in the pub, a night out clubbing or going to football - i chain smoke quite heavily. that's my choice, i know the health risks and fuck it, we've all got to die sometime.

it's bad enough that i won't be able to smoke whilst enjoying a pint down my local, but if this ban includes football grounds then i'm fucked, i'm a nervous wreck at the best of times.

anyway, if they're banning it for the health risk - whose health are they protecting? i'm more likely to have health complications because i'm a fat fucker, are they goimng to ban food as well? i don't buy the passive smoking bollocks either

 

[Conchabar]

i know whats going to happen, smokers are going to purposely annoy non-smokers now enjoy your ban, now enjoy the fruit of your labour i say

 

[throdgrain]

I dont smoke, I havent in years now, though I did smoke ciggerettes for some 12 years, and other ones for longer than that.
However I do think its outrageous that they can tell you what to do and not to do about it.

 

[Tilda]

I'm glad its banned.

 

[Tom]

I find your lack of photoshop skills disturbing.

 

[Chilly]

...now i will make it my business to blow smoke in the face of every non smoker i can find...

Try that near me and I'll cram that pack of smokes up your fucking ass you wanker - not every non smoker held up a placard and demanded a ban - I dont smoke and I dont really give a toss. Saying that just makes you a bit of a cock in my eyes, though.