Smoking Ban

[scorge]

If you drink a pint in a pub, the guy next to you can drink a coke and not be intoxicated.

true but smoking doesn't want you to smash a bottle over someones head...

or impare your driving to much, that you knock over a kid, etc etc..

just saying that alcohol causes just as many problems to others if not more than smoking does..

 

[eggy]

or impare your driving to much, that you knock over a kid, etc etc..

just saying that alcohol causes just as many problems to others if not more than smoking does..

You're now completely changing the topic. The ban isn't about safety to the public on the roads after pubs close.

Yes of course, alcohol causes problems and kills more per year than smoking no doubt. That doesn't make it ok to force everyone who enjoys a drink to smoke as well. imo

 

[scorge]

You're now completely changing the topic. The ban isn't about safety to the public on the roads after pubs close.

Yes of course, alcohol causes problems and kills more per year than smoking no doubt. That doesn't make it ok to force everyone who enjoys a drink to smoke as well. imo

true, was just bing pragmatic, what is overall worse for someones health smoking or drinking?, i think drinking but the goverment wont ban it due to it giving them to much money. Just think that the goverment are bandwagoning to get votes, not doing it for the good of the public.

I actually agree about banning smoking in public, as i cant stand pubs that have no air con and i get a mouthfull of smoke with my beer. Just think that politicians are hyocrits

next they will be banning sex in public ....... oh they do... opps..

 

[eggy]

It's not the pubs that bother me (non smoker) as they are usually well ventilated/air conditioned over here.

However, gig venues (especially the shit-holes like London Astoria) are the real bastard for me. It's not that fun standing at the front with cigarettes being pointed in your face while moshing around.

 

[Karl]

how do you feel about the inforcement of a smoking ban by law ? or should it be the pub/resturants choice ? and do you see or dont see any danger in that kind of goverment inforced legislation ?

...discuss ...

Sorry Olgaline for going OT

As you can see with my frist posts, i was looking forward to the ban to give me the opportunity to give up... BUT....

A ban by law, im my oppinion, is not the best option...

I personally believe we are living in to much of a nanny state at the moment. It shouldnt be the governments right to dictate this sort of policy to business owners. There to much intervention by the government into the private sector... thier mandate should be public services alone.

Unfotunatly, the growth of the tabacco industry and the additivness of the product makes it all but impossible to find a non-smoking pub...

For the pubs who have wanted to be non-smoking for a while this is fantastic, as had they chosen to go down the route beforehand they would have lost out on a large portion of business, almost everybody knows somebody who smokes, and that person will want to go to a smoking bar.

Personally the better option would have been a change in societys view on smoking, making it more of a taboo and less of the norm. Yesterday for example, a pregnant lady in the pub i was in was complaining about the smoke saying, in jest, how its harming her baby (a very valid point even though it was in jest) the people she was with who were smoking just seemd to laugh, shrug and carry on.

Unfortunatly in a society this big and so motivated towards one thing... Money... the only way to change the genral view on a subject is through new laws / litigation.

 

[georgie]

It's not that fun standing at the front with cigarettes being pointed in your face while moshing around.

Try facing the other way.

 

[eggy]

Try facing the other way.

People tend to hold cigarettes in the air to 'avoid' getting them in people's faces (ie those standing next to you). Sadly, they are often drunk, and swaying 3m either way every second makes it pretty hard to hold them still.

Always see people getting burned.

 

[Haggus]

People tend to hold cigarettes in the air to 'avoid' getting them in people's faces (ie those standing next to you). Sadly, they are often drunk, and swaying 3m either way every second makes it pretty hard to hold them still.

Always see people getting burned.

Yes but that isn't the effect of smoking though is it ? It's the effect of drinking.

If he hadn't of drunk that much he wouldn't have burnt everyone.

 

[Ezteq]

yep i agree with karl there (and omg barf at the pregnant woman, tbh she's a scumbag) i dont really care as it doesnt affect me but they shouldnt have an all out ban it should be that it is up to the owners discretion or you need a speial permit or something to ensure we get a good mixture of smoking and non smoking.
God i remember when you could smoke in the supermarket, on the bus, in the doctors surgery, hospitals, in the cinema just about everywhere and i am glad that people cant smoke in these places now but come on a pub?? a place for adults who choose to go there to be, no one forces people to go in to a bar and it should be banned in all places where kids are allowed.

 

[Amanita]

Well tbh I tend to avoid bars and pubs because I am ever so allergic to cigarette smoke and sometimes I just feel that I am missing out on something fun because folks keep doing something that actually hurts me

Soo... My opinion of this is very personal and I am just pleased they have done this No more lung-closure when someone manages to drag me to a pub! Yes it might be a small inconvenience to smokers but heh, something's gone my way

 

[eggy]

Yes but that isn't the effect of smoking though is it ? It's the effect of drinking.

If he hadn't of drunk that much he wouldn't have burnt everyone.

No, it's people being twats and not respecting other people around them, not being drunk. Smoking + crowd of people doesn't mix.

There is, of course, one benefit of smoking;

 

[Rediknight]

It amazes me that the government, who are meant to represent us, consider us not trustworthy enough to be able to sort this out ourselves. It worries me more that they are probably right.

The main arguments are centering around the staff that work in the establishemnts/pubs/clubs etc and the effect it has on them. Well, i don't mean to be rude to them non-smokers who work in the industry but if you are afraid of second hand smoke ruining your health, go get a job in a non-smoking venue? Why go get a job in a smokers pub, then complain about people smoking in it?? meh!

There isn't even evidence to support the theory other than common sense, even though all these people are saying "thousands of people die of passive smoking every year!!!" - prove it. You can't. In fact there hasn't even been a single death that can be scientifically proved that it was bought about by passive smoking.

ROY CASTLE!!! i hear you all cry!! The tale is that because he played trumpet in so many smoking venues, he inhaled a lot of smoke, got cancer and died. How can anyone possibly prove that? Theres not a chance in hell it was the general air quality of the area he lived? Theres no chance it was bought on by car emissions? Industrial waste being pumped into the atmosphere and water?

Another angle to ask a question from - why such a chicken balls move by the government to just ban smoking but keep ciggarettes legal?? If you want to stop smoking just make them illegal!!! Oh, no, can't do that cos the tobacco companies have half the government in their pockets.

When we buy a box of cigarettes almost half the cost is tax. If i pay so much tax, which supports both smokers and non-smokers health care, benefits, emergency services, hospitals, etc. then why am i being victimised???

I saw a quote not long ago that said, "The people of Britain appear to be having trouble keeping up with it's government!" wtf??? WE elected them to represent US - WE do not lose touch with the government, the government has lost touch with us, yet still we voted them in.

We do have the power, but sadly we don't have the solidarity or trust amongst us enough to stand together and force a vote of no-confidence and oust the current lot, and force a general election...

As a country we aren't great anymore, our government have made sure of that with half hearted attempts at "improving society"...

 

[Marc]

Its not just the dangers of passive smoking though. Its not very nice for non smokers to inhale others smoke, plus it makes your clothes and hair stink. Also, its not very nice to spend £100 on a new shirt, only for some pissed up idiot with a fag in his hand to brush past you and burn a nice hole in your shirt.

 

[Naffets]

I dont smoke, i don't mind people smoking near me. Personally i couldn't give two shits if they're banning smoking in public places as of next summer.

But thats just me i think

 

[Mey]

TBH: Can pubs say they are smoking pubs?

If they say (like my local rock pub) This is a smoking pub, then you have the choice not to go there, and smokers have the choice to go there? get it equal? Why give rights to one person but not the other.

 

[Mey]

Also if i go to london and blow my nose my snot is black, if i go to the country side my snot is green. Why is this? Air popultion, stop companies spewing out shit before you stop me tbh..

 

[Rediknight]

Its not just the dangers of passive smoking though. Its not very nice for non smokers to inhale others smoke, plus it makes your clothes and hair stink. Also, its not very nice to spend £100 on a new shirt, only for some pissed up idiot with a fag in his hand to brush past you and burn a nice hole in your shirt.

dude, the fact that you spend £100 on a shirt says it all as far as i'm concerned...

I am, what i consider to be, one of the most accomodating smokers i know - i don't smoke near food, or people eating. I don't smoke near kids, if i have to pass one, or one passes me, whilst im smoking i'll palm it until the kid passes. I won't smoke in other peoples cars, i won't smoke in other peoples houses - if any of my non-smoking friends or my god-daughter come round, i go in the garden.

When i go out to a pub, i want to relax but now i find i can't as the anti-smokers have now won and will, with the utmost glee i would imagine, point this out to me by walking over to boil and moan in my face that they're breathing my smoke AND it's illegal. Do you see smokers going to find anti-smokers to blow smoke at? No, they come to the smoke and i will happily tell them to go stand somewhere away from me then we'll both be happy.

I don't intrude or force my smoke upon others, smoker or non smoker. Anti-smokers will ALWAYS force their opinion on me when i light up within ear shot. I get on with my life and enjoy it, but sadly yet another of the things i do has been shot down by this pissant government.

Meat is next.

 

[Marc]

dude, the fact that you spend £100 on a shirt says it all as far as i'm concerned...

What does it say? I like expensive clothes, whats wrong with that?

 

[Mey]

What does it say? I like expensive clothes, whats wrong with that?

Marc you will have to tell me where you go to drink so i can go and take pictures of you and posted them on the interweb..

B&B (bell and barrel) wins my heart..

 

[Haggus]

Yeah whatever....

 

[old.Tohtori]

Pointless to argue really.

Smokers say "Let our people free!"

Non smokers say "You make us smell of wee!"

Sh't all can be changed in peoples' minds.

Examples of lines that WON'T happen:

"Oh gee, this guy doesn't like second hand smoke. I think i'll quit."

And

"I totally understand the smokers side to enjoy one, and will try to find a more suitable place next time the smoke bothers me."

Done and done.

*drops the lighter on the gaspool*

 

[scorge]

i think the goverment should allow smoking in public as long as smokers wear a fishbowl on there head.

 

[Thorwyn]

The problem is, that both sides tend to be non-cooperative and narrowminded at times. Hardcore smokers usually disrespect other peoples rights, simply because they don´t get that smoke can actually be annoying for a non-smoker. The other side isn´t better though.
A couple of years ago, I went to a large SCA event in Sweden. One day, we made a huge campfire. About 100 people were sitting around the fire.. I was one of them, drinking a beer, having a smoke and enjoying the fire and the night, when suddenly a guy appeared and asked me to extinguish my cigarette, because his girlfriend is allergic to cigarettes. Being the nice guy I am, I apologized, extinguished the fag and threw it into the fire. The dude said thank you... turned around and walked away back to his girlfriend. Around the campfire. Right to the other side. They were litterally sitting more than 20 meters away from me, on the opposite side of a 3m high bonfire in the open air!

As for the topic... no, I don´t think that laws are a good idea to enforce that kind of stuff. It´s simply impossible to enforce common sense.

 

[Raven]

the NHS would crumble within months if they didnt get the money from tax on tobacco, they make far more from it than they spend on smoking related problems.

 

[Ormorof]

hehe, you do get some absurd non-smokers, but most of us (non-smokers) who go to a pub just want to be able to sit and relax, and thats very difficult with the sickly smoke coming from the dude at the table next to you!

you could move, but in a crowded pub when you've gotten lucky to get a seat and a table it gets abit irritating

 

[Thorwyn]

hehe, you do get some absurd non-smokers, but most of us (non-smokers) who go to a pub just want to be able to sit and relax, and thats very difficult with the sickly smoke coming from the dude at the table next to you!

you could move, but in a crowded pub when you've gotten lucky to get a seat and a table it gets abit irritating

Well.. it depends how much it´s bothering you. I quit smoking 4 years ago but that never stopped me from going to the pub or being in the same room with smokers. I know that this is the place where people are drinking beer and ... well.. smoke. If it´s getting too much for me, I can leave whenever I want.

 

[Haggus]

My point of the argument is drinking has caused more agro and costs the government alot more money than smoking does yet they havn't banned it yet ?

No... what they do is give pubs more time to stay open so that fuckers with no responsibility can get in there car, drive 50yards and then kill someone.

Which is fair ? Going home smelling of smoke or waking up in the hospital with someone telling you that you killed someone last night with you recklace driving ?

 

[~Latency~]

The ban is great!

People go to pubs to drink... there's no need to smoke inside and make non-smokers suffer... passive smoking KILLS

 

[Haggus]

Drinking Kills. Ban It In Public Plz !

 

[Marc]

Marc you will have to tell me where you go to drink so i can go and take pictures of you and posted them on the interweb..

B&B (bell and barrel) wins my heart..

When in st helens? Normally, the Black Bull (outside st helens ground), eccleston arms, bird ith hand and the pub on the corner of knowsley road and boundary road.