Smoking ban

[Rookiescot]

I believe the answer to all this is to simply segregate smokers from non-smokers.
That way EVERYONE retains THEIR freedom of CHOICE and is not impinged upon by the other group.

However .... this does not appear to appease the vocal minority who choose on a daily basis to harass and persecute others with their health facism. Namely the vitriolic anti-smoking groups.
Smokers are now the only minority group you are allowed persecute.

I wholely accept that as a smoker I should not expect my choice to inconvienence someone who chooses not to smoke.
I would welcome all maner of segregation to prevent this.

However here in Scotland new legislation has been announced to protect non-smokers which in my opinion is way over the top.
An example of this is the smoking facility we have at my work. Its a "bus stop" type structure. The new legislation dictates that to protect non-smokers this facility must be a minimum of 30% open to the elements.
When the only people ever in the structure are fucking smokers.
Would be a better solution in my opinion to put up a sign saying "Non smokers fuck off".

But ... when these health facists have finished with the smoking hobby horse you better believe they are gonna go after something else.
How about obesity.
Or alchohol.
Guy Falkes night.
Cars.
PC games which involve violence.

At some point these buggers are gonna start on something YOU enjoy. And when they do ... remember where it all started.

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

I believe the answer to all this is to simply segregate smokers from non-smokers.
That way EVERYONE retains THEIR freedom of CHOICE and is not impinged upon by the other group.

However .... this does not appear to appease the vocal minority who choose on a daily basis to harass and persecute others with their health facism. Namely the vitriolic anti-smoking groups.
Smokers are now the only minority group you are allowed persecute.

I wholely accept that as a smoker I should not expect my choice to inconvienence someone who chooses not to smoke.
I would welcome all maner of segregation to prevent this.

However here in Scotland new legislation has been announced to protect non-smokers which in my opinion is way over the top.
An example of this is the smoking facility we have at my work. Its a "bus stop" type structure. The new legislation dictates that to protect non-smokers this facility must be a minimum of 30% open to the elements.
When the only people ever in the structure are fucking smokers.
Would be a better solution in my opinion to put up a sign saying "Non smokers fuck off".

But ... when these health facists have finished with the smoking hobby horse you better believe they are gonna go after something else.
How about obesity.
Or alchohol.
Guy Falkes night.
Cars.
PC games which involve violence.

At some point these buggers are gonna start on something YOU enjoy. And when they do ... remember where it all started.

Aye scotland ;P

and I Live in Glasgow now , so up untill 2 weeks ago , we didnt' even have a "Bus stop" , think is it's about 8 peices of wood , and some plastic roofing ( very shoddy) but it took the guys 5 weeks to put it up

 

[tris-]

the problem i have here is people who dont smoke think they are of some kind of higher order of humans.

trying to imply all smokers are simple minded fools. why dont you just kill us all now and you can have all the clean air (full of pollution) that you want!

 

[Job]

I think my point ,which has been echoes in a few posts is 'whats the end game?'

Society has turned from God to decide our demise and now we are looking at our own actions with much more scrutiny than ever, bit-by-bit we will isolate 'harmful' activities, first they will be identified then a pressure group will concoct reasons why the activity has to be banned.
In the near future people will be able to claim they are being harmed in some fashion, either physically or mentally, no matter how indirectly by some other persons actions.

Coughing near people, bumping into someone, dating someone they fancy, not warning them of that banana skin , infecting with any infectious agent whatsoever.

'Fate' will be legislated out of the equation, along with bad luck and sods law.
EVERYTHING will be someone elses fault and government will feel obliged to ban it before it happens.

I could write a book about this.

 

[Raven]

i am a smoker but i really dont like smoking or smokers at restaurants, i think its stupid to ban it in pubs though, nothing better than a pint of best and a ciggie

 

[Tasslehoff]

Isen't it a bit far strechted saying they will ban people from being near each other (or whatever extreme thing you guys made up) just because they banned smoking from some public places?

I might be wrong though, this could be the world's end. Doom!

 

[tris-]

soon all the smokers will be forced to live in the bad end of town while all the 'intelligent' non smokers live in gold plated houses and breathing oxygen directly out the atmosphere.

 

[Ezteq]

well i smoke have done for about 11 or 12 years and im not going to defend it, and i would never encourage someone to take it up i think it was very stupid of me to start but i did and i enjoy it (my 3 fags a day woo) and i hate when people start busting my hump about the fact that i smoke, i dont go critisizing folk for how they live why should they think they have to right to do it to me?

there are a few things that make me pissy with smokers though, like when you see people smoking around children or smoking when pregnant (dont go inflicting it on some poor little sod who cant get away from you) smoking round adults i dont mind because unless theyre paralysed or glued to a chair they can actually move away because they know the risks but little'uns dont.

dont care if they boost the leagle age because im well over 18 so can do what i like and tbh the leagle age for alcohol is 18 and how many pissed up teeny boppers do you see? it doesnt really work now does it?

i am glad that something is being said about all the alcohol abuse that goes on aswell as smoking because when you have a fag you dont then decide to go get in a fight and spew kebab all over the couch imo alcohol abuse is much more serious.

 

[tris-]

but why does it concern u if someone else is spewing kebabs, giving them selves lung cacer, liver failure and kidney problems? this has been my whole point everything and no one even bothers to answer it.

and im talking about when my smoking DOESNT EFFECT you, you still go on about it.

 

[Olgaline]

man..bring back the 70's tbh where people for all thier wierdness actually at least gave a F*** about one another and not just this "whats best for me" crap.!

 

[Tasslehoff]

and im talking about when my smoking DOESNT EFFECT you, you still go on about it.

Who does?

 

[Ezteq]

lol i dont give a shit if someone wants to go and get smashed and puke down their chest then slide on the puke and fall to their death through a closed window, that doesnt bother me at all but if im the poor sod walking home and i get some pissed up moron hassleing me or get kept awake all night due to drunken buggers yelling out side then yes i think it is affecting me and they can piss off.

i dont care if someone wants to pump their veins full of grade a skag its their veins, its up to them, but then if i get mugged by someone who needs money to fuel their habit, then yep im going to get pissy with them for getting in my life.

if im in a room and someone is smoking a stonking great big joint (i hate pot btw cant stand drugs but the smell of weed makes me sick) well then, i'll leave the room, it really is that simple.

basically i dont care what people do as long as they dont involve me. but what i said about kids and unborns being subjected to stuff like smoke/drink/drugs does piss me off because they cant defend/protect themselves.

 

[Olgaline]

i agree compleatly when it comes to smoking near children, that jsut isnt right.!
seen people light up right next to infants, hell thier own bloody kids, i dont get it tbh,

 

[Ormorof]

when my smoking DOESNT EFFECT you, you still go on about it.

couldnt care less if you smoked at home etc, but in a public place like a pub... it IS going to affect people, thats why people are concerned with what you are doing

 

[Tristessa]

couldnt care less if you smoked at home etc, but in a public place like a pub... it IS going to affect people, thats why people are concerned with what you are doing

You're right on that point. Sometimes people are actually annoyed/bothered when someone else smokes next to them. Sometimes however certain people bitch about smoking just because they want to bitch about something, even if the smell doesn't bother them. It's pretty much in a human being's sytem to try and make himself look better, while making others look bad, even over the most stupid case. And if you don't believe me,just check the RvR threads

 

[Olgaline]

You're right on that point. Sometimes people are actually annoyed/bothered when someone else smokes next to them. Sometimes however certain people bitch about smoking just because they want to bitch about something, even if the smell doesn't bother them. It's pretty much in a human being's sytem to try and make himself look better, while making others look bad, even over the most stupid case. And if you don't believe me,just check the RvR threads

 

[tris-]

couldnt care less if you smoked at home etc, but in a public place like a pub... it IS going to affect people, thats why people are concerned with what you are doing

which i understand. but these health warriors are complaining about doing it in your own privacy!

 

[Glacier]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/07/18/wsmok18.xml

 

[Vladamir]

3 pages without a "ban smoking " post from Outlander, i'm dissappointed

 

[Ormorof]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/07/18/wsmok18.xml

LOL, thats quite funny

its like MacDonalds doing an "inquiry" into their food and mysteriously finding that its all good for you in the end because government taxes makes it ok...

and is it really a good thing for the government to be making a "profit" from something that kills people? (haha they'll only have to spend it on boozers anyway ), theres moral issues involved which means 100% of the people wont agree 100% of the time

 

[mordsythe]

conclusions

well at the end of the day lets see wot the conclusions seen to be.

1: ALL NON-smokers think smokers are EVIL!!

2: ALL smokers want the right to be able to CHOOSE where thay can smoke (within reason)

3: ALL of us AGREE that smoking around people eating is WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!

4:there will always be an issue that bothers some1 and therefore always an issue that people want BANNED, KILLED, DESTROYED, REMOVED FROM THE PLANET!!!!!! (usually THEIR planet. not OUR planet )

5: simply solved all us smoker ask for is that we are given a DEDICATED, SEPERATED area to smoke where A: we dont get cold. B: is well ventilated. and C: we dont get bitched at.

 

[FallycSymbol]

I'm a smoker, and I beleive as soon as smoking interferes with a non-smokers lifestyle it's taking it across the line. I completely understand that non-smokers should have the right to be somewhere without their lungs getting polluted, after all, smoking isn't exactly natural, it's marketed propaganda and they shouldn't pay for our addiction.

 

[Haggus]

Drinking alcohol is worse for you than smoking!

 

[Vladamir]

Drinking alcohol is worse for you than smoking!

Alcohol poses no real threat to your health in moderation (ok so you lose xxx braincells for every pint or whatever but like hell we use them all ), although each cigarette shortens your lifespan.

 

[Kasall]

I was a smoker for 20 years, I gave them up and I realised just what they were doing to me. Getting up in the morning coughing my gutts up, wheezing, snoring, making me smell, shortening my life,costing me a fortune, alienating me from my son and wife (who don't smoke ofc), discolouring my fingers and so many other things. uke: I'm not bothered either way if you smoke or not but i'm so glad I stopped.
To take a long deep breathe without coughing (go on smokers try it ) don't sound like much but its a feeling i'm not going to lose by starting again.uke:

 

[tris-]

i take many deep breaths and goto the gym for 2 hours without coughing once. i have smoked for 6 years.

kasall, its thing like that when you say all smokers sould be coughing that fucks this all up! its the as stereotyping anything else.

 

[Kadayn]

I don't smoke fags but I smoke/ pull bongs of pot / green I don't see anything wrong with that its totally different reason to smoking. But I don't like people smoking fags they should raise the limit but not like it’s going to do anything I have seen 8 year old chavs smocking.

 

[Tsabo]

Thinking of raising minimum age for purchase to 18 in the UK.

Always been amused by societys slow march towards banning everything that in any way could be seen as harmfull to yourself or others.
The passive smoking link is so weak as to be farcical, but it has been drummed up to the point where people are shouting they are being 'killed' by smokers.
2 trips on the London tube is the equivalent of 5 cigarettes, not someone elses , but the same as you smoking them.

Anyways does the ban just mean tobacco?
Could I light up a piece of paper and sniff the fumes?
Or burn a rubber?
Or strike matches one after the other?
How about a candle?
A lighter held under a tea bag?

It'll be farting next, once one statistican works out that people exposed to more farts die 2 months earlier than normal, they'll fukin ban that too.

I think you are missing the point here.

As society has dictated for a long time now, children are not seen as adults until they are 18, and therefore their parents take responsibility for them.

If a 16 year old goes out and smokes himself to death by the age of 17 and a half, who is to blame?

I think that the social laws, or traditional laws of parents being responsible for their children till the age of 18 is acceptable. During this time children shouldn't be able to Drink or Smoke and so on. These are things that can harm to un-repairable extents.

Plus the longer a it takes for a child to pick up a habit like smoking then the less chance there is of them actually starting.

I for one am a non-smoker and think it's a filthy habit that effects others(non-smokers) unfairly against their own choice.

PS: Not setting light to and sniffing the fumes of things like rubbers is just common sense.

 

[Ormorof]

Alcohol poses no real threat to your health in moderation (ok so you lose xxx braincells for every pint or whatever but like hell we use them all ), although each cigarette shortens your lifespan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4491314.stm

Although past research suggests some heart benefits, the New Zealand team says the studies were flawed.

Indeed, there is more evidence that heavier drinking provides the most heart protection - alcoholics have relatively 'clean' arteries - they say.

 

[Job]

PS: Not setting light to and sniffing the fumes of things like rubbers is just common sense.

Er you would think lighting crushed leaves and inhaling the smoke would be too
My point was would it be illegal to do in public?
The smell would be offensive and you would probably get a punch in the face,but would it break smoking laws?