Smoking ban

[Amanita]

Also, when someone drinks and drives, and they have a collision with someone that hasn't drunk, the chances of the one drinking to survive the crash are higher then the others, because their body is much more relaxed, so the perpetrator lives while he takes down others... atleast with smoking the chances of the actual smoker to get sick and die are higher then the other "victims"

but hey... alcohol is socially accepted...

Yes, alchohol is but drink driving isn't and there's folks out there who are doing things to stop people drink driving, i.e. stopping cars who's driver is behaving badly. True, they don't get them all but there's stuff out there to try to stop these people killing others, which isn't the case for smoking.

You can go outside the pub for your "white stick of death" (I tease my sisters with that ) but I can't go outside instead to avoid you having your cigarette because the smoke just hangs around inside there and will be there when I get back like a lung closing cloud of bad-smelling death. (drama!)

In the case of this someone is going to get inconvenienced and ofc I always hope its not going to be me

 

[Guinever]

I think that smoking has been around too long to ban now, and I think that all the non-smokers wajning about smokers, should also consider the fact of how easy it is now adays to avoid smokers.
I am pretty heavy smoker myself, currently on a pack a day, I have been smoking since I am 14, I have always found it easy to avoid being a passive smoker ontop of a regular smoker.
Tbh sit in the non-smokers section, if ur friend does smoke, ask him to go outside if he feels like having a fag, being ur friend I am pretty sure he would understand no problem.
Banning smoking won't resolve anything, just probarly make a huge uproar and end up turning cig's into an illegal substance, and as people have proved in the past, if you want something you can get ur hands on it pretty easily.
To all you non-smokers avoiding it is pretty easy, ur prolly just lazy

 

[mordsythe]

ban smoking in pubs and clubs and chances are that a lot of pubs and clubs will lose a lot of money. As a smoker i appreciate that non-smokers want to be seperated from smokers. why not just do what a lot of the local pubs to where i live do. half the pub is for smokers.. and half for non-smokers. there are 2 doors to get to the non-smokers side from the smokers side and that gap is where the front door is so any smoke that gets through the door goes out the front door.
Any smoking in the non-smoking room gets u banned from the pub.

why cant all pubs do this as its not an expensive modification and you get to keep ALL your clientel.

 

[eggy]

If they banned smoking, I wouldn't have got stoned for free last night at The Prodigy gig

 

[Tareregion]

I hate it when people blow smoke in your face, so goddamn rude.

i thought about wearing a shirt saying "smokers are potential serial killers" or "smokers leave families"

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

I hate it when people blow smoke in your face, so goddamn rude.

i thought about wearing a shirt saying "smokers are potential serial killers" or "smokers leave families"

if that was the case i'd have to get you a T-shirt that says ,

"I wear funny t-shirts to make up for my lack of Personality"

And i've seen these t-shirts .... and no .. i don't own one ;P

 

[Rellik]

in sweden the age to buy any tobacco is allready 18

you cant smoke inside a public place anymore, pubs/clubs and so on

it wont be long until they ban it fully.. thats sweden for you

altho it has made alot of people stop smoking since they have to go outside to smoke and they cba becuse then the swedish polarbears eat them..

also its cold

but i guess in some ways its good but in alot of more ways its bad

 

[tris-]

i hate all the nannying bull shit. its bad enough that the government pretends to care about the people in the country, its even worse when the general public start deciding if people are allowed to be unhealthy or not.

i dont care if you smoke, drink alcohol, eat 60 burgers a day, watch tv with a kilo bag of pork scratchings and smoke a box of 200 every week. why should i care if you want to do that? i have no reason to, so why do these people care if i want to smoke fags and drink vodka till everything turns into a pink mess?

how can you seriously ask someone what the point in smoking is? whats the point in doing anything at all, ever? usualy because.. YOU WANT TO.

whats the point posting on this forum, whats the point going to work, whats the point whats the point blah blah blah.

bollocks to the lot of em. im gonna eat this cheese savoury and bacon stotty, go smoke a fag and sit on my pc. how do you like that greasy shit mr government man!

i just noticed some other bull shit up top there. using drink driving as an excuse to ban alcohol? pah. lets make people with vision problems and OAPs banned from driving. hell, OAPs drive so slow you end up just smashing into them anyway from lack of patience. people with vision problems cant see jack. doesnt matter that they need glasses, not everyone wears them. therefore these people are a danger to the whole of human existance.
i think you should be careful with how you word things. not all drinkers are fucking idiots who drive after 20 units of alcohol. like not all people with vision problems drive without glasses.

 

[Olgaline]

as a smoker here's my perspective,
banning is simply stupid/silly, atm it seems popular to hate smoking tho and most of it as i see it is pure politics, and ahs no basis in facts what so ever.!

how hard can it be ?

in puplic transport, where people are forced to travel together sure ban smoking, on flights ect, fine i'm all for that, on trains ? again we get silly politics thrown at us, an example of this would be arriva's on the trains there used to be one little area at the end of the train with 2 rows, closed by a door,! and another door before you got to the none smoking area, this was the smoking section, in a train with 3-4 long carriges, i mean seriously ? why cant the smokers have that little itty bitty area in peace ?? it's a great example of politics without reasoning, it's not harming anyone, "exept the smokers" you have a free choice weather or not to enter this little area of a large train.! so wahts the problem ? anyway i'm going of on a rant....now as for pubs, cafe's resturants ect, why a ban ? and give me a good reason why enclosed smoking sections with prober ventilation arent just as good, for you the none smoking customer ? or how about free choice for the owner ? if he wants to enforce none smoking or not ? hmm ? then thier could be pubs with none smoking policies and some with smoking allowed ? or hmm never mind cause guess what ? the none smoking pubs will be so empty you could here a pin drop since every one will prob be at the smoking allowed pubs

and lastly if your going to ban smoking for health reasons..oh boy are there then Alot.! of other things that should be Banned as well, alchohol, fatty foods, cand most soft drink/candy products,

yes i'm a smoker, and a very thoughtfull one at that when it comes to being around none smokers, and if there is a "valid" reason why i should not light up a smoke, i wont, or if i can seek the best area were my smoking wont anoy anyone i will, but then again, as a smoker you really cannot expect a none smoker to have a Clue, what lack of nicotine does to you or what you go thru when you cannot light up, if you've never smoked, you just do not know.! and tbh in some situations, i do find that my actual need far out wieghs the little bother it might be to the none smoker to smell abit of tobaco ,! i'm in pain and your whining ? tought tbh.! go somewhere els til i'm done in about 3 mins.!

oh and guess what, just reasently been to the doctor for a full physical
been smoking for some odd 13 years "20cigs a day roughly" , my lungs are fine, my puls is normal, my blood preasure is fine, i'm strong and healthy, oh and i dont drink alchohol "anymore" and eat healthy foods...go figure

 

[Chronictank]

as a smoker here's my perspective,
banning is simply stupid/silly, atm it seems popular to hate smoking tho and most of it as i see it is pure politics, and ahs no basis in facts what so ever.!

how hard can it be ?

in puplic transport, where people are forced to travel together sure ban smoking, on flights ect, fine i'm all for that, on trains ? again we get silly politics thrown at us, an example of this would be arriva's on the trains there used to be one little area at the end of the train with 2 rows, closed by a door,! and another door before you got to the none smoking area, this was the smoking section, in a train with 3-4 long carriges, i mean seriously ? why cant the smokers have that little itty bitty area in peace ?? it's a great example of politics without reasoning, it's not harming anyone, "exept the smokers" you have a free choice weather or not to enter this little area of a large train.! so wahts the problem ? anyway i'm going of on a rant....now as for pubs, cafe's resturants ect, why a ban ? and give me a good reason why enclosed smoking sections with prober ventilation arent just as good, for you the none smoking customer ? or how about free choice for the owner ? if he wants to enforce none smoking or not ? hmm ? then thier could be pubs with none smoking policies and some with smoking allowed ? or hmm never mind cause guess what ? the none smoking pubs will be so empty you could here a pin drop since every one will prob be at the smoking allowed pubs

and lastly if your going to ban smoking for health reasons..oh boy are there then Alot.! of other things that should be Banned as well, alchohol, fatty foods, cand most soft drink/candy products,

I used to smoke and on reflection am rather disgusted at what i put the people around me at the time through

most pubs in the UK dont have a reserved area for smoking, i for one dont want the shit coming off someone's fag all over my food when i have gone for a meal. The answer usually from smokers is "then dont go there", theres 2 sides to a coin, why dont you not go there and smoke?

Non-smokers dont ask for the shit off your cigarette to go all over their clothes and more importantly into their lungs. As a example wear a jumper and spend 20 mins with someone who smokes, then go into a club and you will see how much ash actually goes on the people around you (it glows in the lights in the club etc).

I have a friend is a asthmatic and cant go to pubs/clubs past as the smoke in the air reduces her to a coughing fit where she literally can hardly breathe, is that not a breach(sp?) of her rights that because of smokers she cant go to these places?

Smoking DOES affect other people directly in various forms, the one i highlighted above is just 1 among many.
I also am all for banning smoking while on hospital sites/in uniform for obvious reasons.

p.s to the poster above, it is illegal to drive without glasses/contacts on if you require them to drive.
If your caught you lose your liscence(sp?)

 

[tris-]

its illegal to drive while under the influence.

my point is, if your going to ban alcohol because someone drink and drive then ban all people with vision problems because some may not wear their corrective equipment.

 

[Ctuchik]

Exactly, Roy said 'it must have been all those smoky clubs', so 1 persons guess contributes to a policy, what about the thousands of other performers who've worked all their lives in smoky clubs and NOT got lung cancer.

so that means its ok?

i smoke and i love that they have a TOTALLY non smoking policy here in sweden when it comes to public buildings such as pubs/restaurants and things like that. if u wanna smoke, then piss of out and stop bothering the non smokers with it inside a public building. if its something i despise, its going to a restaurant, buy my food and some person lights a smoke.

but its not from a health perspective i support this, i support it coz it smells horrible to eat while someone's smoking.


and before u say it, NO, no smoker is gonna decide where i should eat my food. atleast as a smoker u can still eat wherever u want. u just cant pester the non smokers inside anymore.

 

[tris-]

you cant keep throwing words around like public house and public buildings if your going to started excluding members of the public, can you?

isnt that then no longer public and more of an exclusive, elite ,'inteligent', 'supreme' building/house?

 

[Outlander]

ban smoking!

 

[Ctuchik]

in sweden the age to buy any tobacco is allready 18

you cant smoke inside a public place anymore, pubs/clubs and so on

it wont be long until they ban it fully.. thats sweden for you

altho it has made alot of people stop smoking since they have to go outside to smoke and they cba becuse then the swedish polarbears eat them..

also its cold

but i guess in some ways its good but in alot of more ways its bad

in what way is it bad? that us smokers acually have to go outside if we wanna smoke? and thus letting those with asthma get a go at having a nice dinner at a restaurant insted of being forced to take the food home?

and to all the "ive smoked for xx years and im as healthy as a newlyborn" i dont give a shit. just because YOU dont get problems with smoking doesent mean its the same for the rest of the humanity.

 

[Olgaline]

chronic what did i just say ? or did you bother to read it ?
ok lets repeat it...what is wrong with smoking and none smoking area's ? in say pubs trains ect ? so if the smokers want/need to smoke they can go to the smoking section ? wtf is so wrong with that ? then your friend could have 90% of the pub to roam/sit in all she has to avoid is the enclosed smoking area ? or hey think i'll go to the croc farm and complain that i cannot swim there and thus that must be a brech of my freedom.! geez.!

and as for so called actually public area's air ports train stations, ect, again i'm all for the no smoking policy, but again i fail to see why smoking lounges are a problem ? i mean the wide area's are smoke free..there is often 2-3 small smoking lounges in large airports that again are enclosed and it's you enter at your free will, what is the problem with this ???

and i can only repeat my self, people that do not smoke jsut do not have a clue what nicotine cravings do to a person,the closest you can prob get to it is someone one going off heroine,

so to someup give us our little shacks in the corner and let us slowly suicide in peace.!

 

[Chronictank]

chronic what did i just say ? or did you bother to read it ?
ok lets repeat it...what is wrong with smoking and none smoking area's ? in say pubs trains ect ? so if the smokers want/need to smoke they can go to the smoking section ? wtf is so wrong with that ? then your friend could have 90% of the pub to roam/sit in all she has to avoid is the enclosed smoking area ? or hey think i'll go to the croc farm and complain that i cannot swim there and thus that must be a brech of my freedom.! geez.!

and as for so called actually public area's air ports train stations, ect, again i'm all for the no smoking policy, but again i fail to see why smoking lounges are a problem ? i mean the wide area's are smoke free..there is often 2-3 small smoking lounges in large airports that again are enclosed and it's you enter at your free will, what is the problem with this ???

and i can only repeat my self, people that do not smoke jsut do not have a clue what nicotine cravings do to a person,the closest you can prob get to it is someone one going off heroine,

so to someup give us our little shacks in the corner and let us slowly suicide in peace.!

i have no gripe if they have properly isolated areas but i dont see it happening,so until there are im all for a smoking ban in public places. The point i was trying to make (ableit very abdly obviously) was that smokers can go outside if there is a ban in public places

And there is no ban/planned ban yet they are raising the legal age to buy them to 18 so that minors need ID to buy them like alcohol

 

[Tasslehoff]

if that was the case i'd have to get you a T-shirt that says ,

"I wear funny t-shirts to make up for my lack of Personality"

And i've seen these t-shirts .... and no .. i don't own one ;P

'Cause smoking means you've got a personality...

And for the guy with the great argument of people not smoking near him, irritating him. They're in NO way harming you that way, can't say that about the opposit.

And for the original poster saying statistics, showing that smokers have 4x higher chance of cancer than other smokers, doesen't matter. You think it's just a coincidense then? That all the people with bad lungs start smoking? Totally discrediting statistics because they go against your argument, doesen't work very well. Especially not when you have no proof against them.

 

[haarewin]

the human body absorbs nicotine through the skin. sitting next to someone that is smoking causes your blood vessels to constrict, and increases the chance of stroke.
passive smoking doesn't only cause cancer...

 

[Olgaline]

And there is no ban/planned ban yet they are raising the legal age to buy them to 18 so that minors need ID to buy them like alcohol

ye that i'm all for, infact i do not think you'll find alot of smokers that would ever condone someone els taking up that habbit, so even if the effect is minimal it's well worth it,

as for banning, cant say i could ever support it, imo leave it up to the individual owners of company/franchies to deside wether or not they wish to allow smoking on thier property/astablishment.

but then again, i also cannot see why canabis is iligal and drinking is not, and i dont even smoke canabis, neither do i ever plan to, it's addictive ? yes so is alchohol, it's a drug ? yup so is alchohol, it's harmfull to your brain/body so is alchohol, infact alchohol is faar worse, it can cause phycological disfunctions ? heh so can alchohol.! alchohol is a imbeded part of the western culter and canabis is not ? Yes.! urika.!

 

[Amanita]

but then again, i also cannot see why canabis is iligal and drinking is not, and i dont even smoke canabis, neither do i ever plan to, it's addictive ? yes so is alchohol, it's a drug ? yup so is alchohol, it's harmfull to your brain/body so is alchohol, infact alchohol is faar worse, it can cause phycological disfunctions ? heh so can alchohol.! alchohol is a imbeded part of the western culter and canabis is not ? Yes.! urika.!

Interesting enough I agree with that The only thing I object to with cannabis is that its usually smoked with tobacco!

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

Interesting enough I agree with that The only thing I object to with cannabis is that its usually smoked with tobacco!

Hash Tea , Hash Cake ... a good Bong =).

 

[Ctuchik]

you cant keep throwing words around like public house and public buildings if your going to started excluding members of the public, can you?

isnt that then no longer public and more of an exclusive, elite ,'inteligent', 'supreme' building/house?

no it isnt, because YOU will still be allowed to enter it. just not when ur smoking. an asmathic cant enter AT ALL!

 

[Ormorof]

i always found it funny that smokers claim that pubs will be empty if they ban smoking in some and not in others... why?? did you ever consider the amount of people who avoid going to pubs (me included) because of the amount of smoke?

point is its disgusting, when people drink in a pub or a club, the damage they are doing to their bodies is their own (unless they are silly chavs and get in fights), drinking in close proximity to other people doesnt bother other people, it doesnt restrict peoples breathing ability for example

anyhoo, they are only planning on banning smoking in pubs that sell food, and raising the smoking age to 18 (so will require ID ).

another point about smoking with non-smokers around is that its kinda rude, for example, if i drink fizzy drink i dont go up and burp in your face, and yet when smokers smoke they make me inhale their waste, that is my main problem with it

 

[tris-]

its not their own damage at all ormorof. apparently every single person who drinks also drives and goes on a killing spree while they them selves stay alive.

if you want to ban smokers smoking, ban drinkers from drinking. then no one needs to worry about the pub do they? we can all sit at in our plastic bubbles breathing clean air while getting exercise 60% of the day sleeping 39% and eating the right food for 1% of the day. the government will then official add another 5% onto the day where we will clean our selves with acid scrubs to make sure the skin is healthy. its really what all these control freaks want imo.

 

[Dandare]

Interesting enough I agree with that The only thing I object to with cannabis is that its usually smoked with tobacco!

ohlol you gonna love my "interesting pizza" at irl meet

 

[Dandare]

Personally my viewpoint on this is I have smoked for 17 years and I hate it.
I hate my health over it,I hate the smell,I hate the craving.
But those of you from UK will accept that all these years it's been socially acceptable here and just to click a finger by this shitty goverment we are under control is gonna cause a big finger salute by smokers that are already pissed at the goverment as it stands.
Me myself...well I think it's really rude if someone hates smoke and I will go outside or move etc and even eats mints so they don't mind my smoky breath,it's my habit and I don't expect people to share it.

 

[Tristessa]

Smoking has been subconciously made to appear as the source of all evil and thus people are on a Holy Crusade to destroy (ban) it from everywhere

Seriously though, as non-smokers complain about smokers taking away their right to go here and there,enjoy a night out etc because of the smoke, you're doing the exact same thing to us by demanding/requesting the ban in the first place. So it all boils down to not what's right or wrong, but what each individual wants for him/herself.

 

[Vilje]

Here in Norway, smoking was banned on pubs and other public places about one year ago. At first people was pretty pissed about it, but now people has settled with it. Most smokers accually says they are pleased with the new rules - And when they need to take a smoke they just go right outside. Only took people a couple of weeks to adapt to it (according to the public opinions). After seeing the difference I accually agree that pubs is better off w/o the smoking inside.

The problem over here was that many pubs and other places could'nt afford to properly separate the smoking areas from the non-smoking areas. As the majority of people in Norway don't smoke it was banned in public places.

Its not as bad as you may think, if it happens =)

 

[Ormorof]

its not their own damage at all ormorof. apparently every single person who drinks also drives and goes on a killing spree while they them selves stay alive.

if you want to ban smokers smoking, ban drinkers from drinking. then no one needs to worry about the pub do they? we can all sit at in our plastic bubbles breathing clean air while getting exercise 60% of the day sleeping 39% and eating the right food for 1% of the day. the government will then official add another 5% onto the day where we will clean our selves with acid scrubs to make sure the skin is healthy. its really what all these control freaks want imo.

was hardly my point, what im saying is smoking inconveninces a large amount of people even if the smoker is in the minority, drinking however does not (for example 3 people drink in a pub and 2 of them dont, the 3 drinking arent causing discomfort to the 2 people simply by drinking, whereas if it was 3 people smoking and 2 people not smoking (or 2 smokers and 3 non smokers) it does cause discomfort and annoyance, because they are reducing the quality of the air breathed, you could just ask them to move, or you could simply get the smokers to go outside saving everyone alot of hassle and possibly even making people stop smoking altogether which is a good thing)

the government isnt banning smoking in public places because a "minority of health freaks" want to control the world they are doing it because a majority of non-smokers find it bloody irritating to be around