Smoking ban in stadiums?

[Manisch Depressiv]

Yes yes, passive smoke kills, if you live in a smokehouse for 30 odd years, which is the funny part. Always hearing "You giving me cancer" if i happen to smoke one at a busstop.

You're so misinformed, there is really no point discussing with you.

Under certain circumstances it is even more unhealthy to be a passive smoker than to smoke.

 

[Huntingtons]

but are you saying a smoker couldnt be healthier and fitter than a none smoker?

if the equal odds are put on both, yes.
and tris, peer pressure isnt only an excuse for bad parenting or weak minded teens.
@ crispy

because that is impossible, a smoking ban (which causes alot of harm) isnt. it doesnt limit our society as a whole. it does limit alot of people (comparing it to banning cars or CO2 exhaust which would harm a country too much)

 

[old.Tohtori]

You're so misinformed, there is really no point discussing with you.

Under certain circumstances it is even more unhealthy to be a passive smoker than to smoke.

Or how about, someone else making a bigger issue of something i do then it really is.

Honestly, can you say, in any shape or form, that if i smoke at a busstop it gives someone else cancer?

 

[kiliarien]

You see, im pretty sure that in a couple of years almost all bars would be smoke free without the government making laws to get it there, but people would still be able to choose whether to go to a smokers bar or not...

Interesting idea - letting the public decide as a matter of 'voting with their feet' seems an idea.

I always liked smoking - I stopped smoking cigarettes 5 years ago, and occasionally have a cigar.

I wecolmed pubs stopping smoking and back the ban - people endangering others' lives actively is a bad thing (even though their proof is rather sketchy - anyone remember mobile being ok, then not good, then good, then cancerous, then ok again, now they're allowed back in hospitals), but I can't help but argue legislation; if you're going to get tough on people who hurt others - get tough on motoring deaths etc too.

And the studies on smoking have taken part mostly in major cities, where particulates from exhaust emissions in lungs have not been accounted for, hmm fair studies it seems.

What it does seem to me though is an attempt to make aspects of social life better - but it hits an even bigger snag than that. I'm a teacher and what really gets me is seeing kids smoke. This is why:

1) Parents who smoke find it hard to chastise their child when they do it themselves (which is understandable).
2) Irresponsible parents actually buy them fags trying to curry favour.
3) In a school I've seen, parents buy fags for their kids so they sell them to other kids in school as a replacement for pocket money.

I agree with peoples' right to choose, but that sort of stuff scares me.

 

[tris-]

if the equal odds are put on both, yes.
and tris, peer pressure isnt only an excuse for bad parenting or weak minded teens.

then what is it then. because ive never seen it in action and the only way youre pushed to do something is if you cant think for your self.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm a teacher and what really gets me is seeing kids smoke. This is why:

1) Parents who smoke find it hard to chastise their child when they do it themselves (which is understandable).
2) Irresponsible parents actually buy them fags trying to curry favour.
3) In a school I've seen, parents buy fags for their kids so they sell them to other kids in school as a replacement for pocket money.

Ok, point 3 is f*cking odd, but on the other cases:

If i was a parent, i'd buy my kid the cigs if he/she dared to smoke. Ofcourse i'd say "I'll f*ck you up if you touch any of these f*cking cancersticks!", just 'cause that was told to me, and that is something i would have to say to TRY and make a difference. It's either that or the couch i assume.

Also would get them drunk at 15, AT HOME, if they so would like to do, because that IS good parenting.

Kids WILL get the cigs/booze anyway, so better control what they smoke, how often they smoke, what they drink and that they don't buy off some shady bloke in an alley selling "happy ciggies".

 

[tris-]

Also would get them drunk at 15, AT HOME, if they so would like to do, because that IS good parenting.

i agree. at 14-15 i was getting drunk with my step uncle (about 2 yrs older than me) and our other friend at my step uncles house. for a start, we were inside. therfore no problems were caused for anyone else. if one of us got too drunk it was easy to put the person in a safe place and provide water etc. usually we'd play playstation, watch pornos, movies etc. i cant see any harm in it, and if i have kids id allow them to do things like this in a safe environment.

fact is we were gonna drink regardless but if we were allowed to do it in a safe environment then surely its better than walking the streets and putting us and other people in danger? just to put the other side to it, one of us did end up in hospital once but then he was 16-17. no my parents wernt happy at the time but getting angry wasnt gonna do anything. he learnt a lesson, in a hardway, but he sure as fuck learnt it.

sure there is health problems but what doesnt cause health problems these days? unless your eating all natural food and exercising everyday there is going to be something slightly wrong.

 

[liloe]

Well about the smell.....cheese smells shit if you walk by, but it doesn't stick to clothes and it's not like you have it around 24/7

I never liked smoking, partly cause when I was younger I spent nearly all my time at a friend's and his parents smoked a lot, making the house smell pretty bad.

It's so funny though, that the replies to "passive smoking is bad" is mostly something like "yes, but cars/industry/..." is unhealthy aswell. No shit, that's why the industry is controlled more nowadays, that's why some cities don't allow cars in the inner districts (or however you call that ) and why new technology is developped to work on something that is (nowadays) neccessary for our daily life.

Sure alcohol kills aswell, but I haven't heard of passive alcohol drinking. Ofc some drunk people cause accidents where people die, but that's partly because drunk driving is (in my opinion) not sentenced hard enough. Killing people while drunk should be murder and nothing else. It's your decision to get drunk and thus you should stand up for the shit you do. That reduced criminal responsibility for drunk people (at least in Germany in some cases) is more than ridiculous.

Back to the topic though. I wish that ban would take place in Germany aswell, cause smoking is absolutely the worst thing about going out. If I stay somewhere else after going to some bar and wake up the next morning, getting into my clothes is an act that requires quite some self-control. It also makes my eyes water which is pretty ugly if I have to drive afterwards.

 

[dub]

OK so you want an argument as to why the government should make such a law?

Despite plenty of ad campaigns the peer pressure on 12 year olds says you must smoke cos all your mates are doing it.
Making it illegal in places like pubs removes a bit of the "all my mates are smoking so I have to as well to fit in, reason for smoking". That's the reason most people actually smoke. Yeah there's the "I smoke cos I enjoy it" brigade.. they are actually fairly few. Most people smoke because they are addicted and now need to, or because they as Thad so elequantly puts it, want to to get a phone number.

It's a campaign to make starting up smoking less attractive to teenagers, and if you want to argue that having 90% of the population spending money they can't really afford on cigarettes on the local council estate is good for the country then keep complaining.

this sposed to be an argument ? , please keep your " ill send a signal by my legislation" to yourself , that has really nothing to do with if the law is sound or not.

i dont care how they end up legislating as long as it is in consistence with the rest of the legislation , so it follows that if smoking is legal and the right to private property is upheld its the owner of the property who decides.

wanna change that you have to have the guts to ban tobacco , or to deny people the right of private property ofc , but as noone has we end up with this sorry excuse for a law

 

[old.Tohtori]

What more irks me about this is not the smoking ban in pubs, ok, works, i don't mind it, ladidaa, i'll smoe outside.

Smokers have always been rather polite in general. "Mind if i smoke?" etc.

But, two things:

A: This should stop at a reasonable level. Just a bit "afraid" it will get out of hand and banning this and that will become a norm.

B: The non-smokeys(some not all) still won't shut the f*ck up. You won, you got your smokefree bars, but STILL i get, every now and then, even when smoking outside a bar, someone going 2disgusting", or faking a cough while walking past us. Come on. No need to be so, yes, a-hole about the victory.

 

[crispy]

Actually id like to see some studies of how bad passive smoking is in bars for the people who go there (not thinking about bartenders here).

We all know passive smoking is bad, but how much passive smoking do you need to be exposed to before it gets bad? We know its bad to live with a smoker, but what if you only expose yourself to it in a bar for a couple of hours once a week?

So far the only arguments ive heard starts with the reasoning that passive smoking at home/work is bad, so therefore it should be bad in bars also.

Im just curious :>

 

[CorNokZ]

lol, try to stop us from smoking at the stadium.. I can imagine a whole lot more aggressiveness than before tbh

 

[Killswitch]

its stupid how much signage is needed though. at work we had a "no smoking" card on every single table, and that was just on the floor i was on. thats about 50 signs telling you that you cant smoke, with 10 signs on the doors when you come in. waste of paper imo, if you dont know you cant smoke now then you need knee capping.

(Picture borrowed from Andrews & Arnolds website)

 

[Yshynsin]

Tell that to all the people who were at Wembley on the 8th of last month Everyone was smoking, rofl.

Some fag flicked a fag end at me during master of puppets and i was trying to stamp it out lmao.

 

[Olgaline]

this is interresting
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[Gamah]

I dont smoke and welcome the ban, however, I do have a customary cigar on nye which i'll miss!

 

[Rookiescot]

this is interresting
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That vid makes a few peeps on this thread seem a little arogant dont it?

Interestingly.... here in Scotland where we have had this public smoking ban in place for over a year.... 1/3 of all the pubs and clubs in my town have closed.
Nice to see the Scottish Parliament have made 1/3 of all the barstaff unemployed. But hey ... look on the bright side .... they have no job but they have their health. Which may or may not have been affected by passive smoking depending on whos research you choose to believe.

Here in Scotland there are only two public places where it is legal to smoke indoors.

1. Prison. (Basicly because if you let people go outside for a fag some of them might not come back).

2. Wait for it ...... The Scottish Parliament building.

 

[Olgaline]

haha yes, the same here in dk as to the parlement building,
you should see the law they've put in place here in dk tho' thats efective pr. today actually,

it's a "Total band" on smoking in pubs, resturants, ect.
but's it's not, you see, if a pub is under 40' square m, and dosent serve food "chips, peanuts ect not included" smoking is allowed, if it's over 140' square m. you have the right to have a smoking area, as long as it's physically seperated from the rest of the bar,pub resturant ect, and no food or drinks may be served within this area. confused yet ?

it gets worse, it's a "Total band" on smoking in all work places, be they private og goverment, including personal offices, cabs, trucks, ect, well, exept for the dispansation for the employer to allow smoking in single room work spaces that serve 1 thats means personal offices cabs, trucks ect...

now then, good good once you've foten your head around that one, then consider this,

the law is effective per. today. however there are no intentions to enforce or check up on this law for the next 3 years, thats right, plans to enforce this law begin in late 2010.

the black chap with the radio show really sumped it all up rather well imo.

 

[Mey]

Seel matey i feel your pain, i smoke outside now becuase well it's the law, i don't mind. Its quite nice to sit outside with a pint some times. (esp. in a pub/bar with music). However what really really really pisses me off now end, is people who don't smoke who come out the back way (of the pub/club) to where all the smokers are and moan that we are smoking, or do that arm waving motion infront of their face's as if it's terribly smokey (we're outside ffs!)..

I think some people just like to moan.

Smoking is an easy target.