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SilverHood
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poor clerics
/em strokes revz
/em strokes revz
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old.Revz
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Originally posted by SilverHood
what about baselines?
Have you checked a lvl 50 Thane's HP? Alb tanks have the highest hp in the game (maybe bar dwarf warrior)
At lvl 46, I have 1100 hp.... fully buffed I can get an extra 300 hp..... thats still no where near your hp.... maybe it's because I'm not lvl 50, or because Thane's have shite hp, but 1800 hp IS NOT LOW
I never once said 1842 was low. In fact I have the highest possible base HP a cleric can get with 70 starting con but I did add the proviso of good equipment at the start of my paragraph above didn't I? Your not being level 50 makes it (as you say) an imbalanced comparison anyway. If you are only getting 300 HP from buffs then you have bad buffs, I can get more like 400 HP from my own and I only have 31 in enhance.
As for Chavez you started this
I'm fully aware of what is happening to clerics and were it nor for the mez timer thing I wouldn't mind at all. As it is I'll still play a cleric anyway. Just stop feeding the hounds with innaccurate statements about clerics and I won't have to reply
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old.Chavez
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Thats the only gripe i got about the nerf Gideon - the CC being reset on a 5 min timer. We use alot of clerics as CC when PvE (we have to, wheres the sorcs ?) so that kinda sucks for xping players.
But we cant have it both ways, i want to see ALL insta CC gone from the game...chances are slim though.
But we cant have it both ways, i want to see ALL insta CC gone from the game...chances are slim though.
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SilverHood
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wait a minute.... that would mean....
it would mean tanks could actually be of use in RvR, and not rp
or human shields!
What you suggets is preposterous!
it would mean tanks could actually be of use in RvR, and not rp
or human shields!What you suggets is preposterous!
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Myshra
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ah ha, thats a good one!
yeah thats bollocks im afraid.
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old.Chavez
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Look at the base dmg of high smite spells, look at your own base dmg. Then come back and say its bollocks.
Your edge is your a pure nuker and things like high int gives you extra dmg. Your final dmg output will be considerably higher but you wouldnt want to be in the recieving end of a smiter....
[edit] What i want (and what is happening) is their offfensive ability toned down and then give their healing lines a boost. I like the idea of heals earning rps...yes that would be cool !
Your edge is your a pure nuker and things like high int gives you extra dmg. Your final dmg output will be considerably higher but you wouldnt want to be in the recieving end of a smiter....
[edit] What i want (and what is happening) is their offfensive ability toned down and then give their healing lines a boost. I like the idea of heals earning rps...yes that would be cool !
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old.Revz
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Bah you did it again
You can't take into account just the base damage of a spell. For starters wizard nukes cast faster (2.8 second versus 4 second for the highest DD) and for less power than a cleric smite. On top of which wizard nukes have a higher base damage anyway. Wizards get a much larger power pool and their nukes have a longer range. They are better in every regard than a smite spell! All of the benefits in each area that wizard DDs get over cleric DDs add up to a much, much bigger DPS.
Also the high int things isn't anything to take into consideration as capped piety does the same thing for a cleric.
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old.Chavez
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This whole discussion is fruitless, numbers speak for themself.
Albion have LOADS of high smite spec'ed clerics so if their dmg output and mana pool is that crappy compared to a nuker, why is the smite cleric THE most popular class in albion ?
I'm trying to think "outside the box" here and asked myself a simple question...
What is a cleric ?
Albion have LOADS of high smite spec'ed clerics so if their dmg output and mana pool is that crappy compared to a nuker, why is the smite cleric THE most popular class in albion ?
I'm trying to think "outside the box" here and asked myself a simple question...
What is a cleric ?
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kedalin
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I like the idea of heals earning rps...yes that would be cool ! [/B][/QUOTE]
that would be dumb and obviuosly very boring,imagive yourself as a cleric standing behind and pressing same button each 5 seconds,it would be really boring !!
that would be dumb and obviuosly very boring,imagive yourself as a cleric standing behind and pressing same button each 5 seconds,it would be really boring !!
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SilverHood
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isn't that what nukers do? what mezzers do?
what tanks do?
In RvR, I use a total of 4 buttons in combat, and 2 out of combat
1. High to hit style with high dmg
2. Insta dd
3. Mjolnir
4. macro stick /stick
Out of combat I use my 2 self buffs
what tanks do?
In RvR, I use a total of 4 buttons in combat, and 2 out of combat
1. High to hit style with high dmg
2. Insta dd
3. Mjolnir
4. macro stick /stick
Out of combat I use my 2 self buffs
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Aurelius LH
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Well in my case, a character who follows the rules of the Albion church, likes being able to heal (badly with such a low rejuv spec!) and res folks who need it, but usually hunts alone smiting the nasty creatures in Albion... don't forget, the class might be massively popular due to it's being a damn good choice for soloing PvE, not all the smite clerics will show up on the frontiers by any means
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Bit off topic here but, is it me or does the Cleric team lead really suck? He just seems to whine, I read the Scout TL reports all the time and they are well structured, clear, concise and dont use slang etc.
If you want someone to read the reports you should at least make them readable.
If I worked at Mythic I would probably be on the floor laughing, maybe if Clerics had a better TL they wouldnt have got hit with the Nerf bat so hard.
He could have at least run it through a spell checker... Sorry, you can get back on with your debate now
If you want someone to read the reports you should at least make them readable.
If I worked at Mythic I would probably be on the floor laughing, maybe if Clerics had a better TL they wouldnt have got hit with the Nerf bat so hard.
He could have at least run it through a spell checker... Sorry, you can get back on with your debate now
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old.Chavez
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Lol team leads sucking is nothing new.
But I think they have a tough time on the TL boards. I imagine they pour in report after report filled with valid issues only to have them ignored by mythic.
Get the programmers to read the feedback on some player boards for a day and the game would probably get fixed properly
But I think they have a tough time on the TL boards. I imagine they pour in report after report filled with valid issues only to have them ignored by mythic.
Get the programmers to read the feedback on some player boards for a day and the game would probably get fixed properly
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It isn't. paladins and Armsmen, for one, are more numerous among lv 50s. By this reasoning, paladins are uber
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old.mattshanes
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I think minstrel is the most common aint it???
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old.Chavez
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http://www.spegel.nu/nwo/population.asp
Excalibur
1) Cleric 1,100 alb 10,377,023 rp
2) Armsman 987 alb 8,475,714 rp
3) Scout 876 alb 9,118,619 rp
4) Paladin 858 alb 5,928,771 rp
Prydwen
1) Skald 710 mid 10,223,494
2) Cleric 678 alb 5,360,652
3) Thane 623 mid 9,339,502
4) Armsman 598 alb 5,201,966
5) Paladin 546 alb 3,445,469
For a SUPORT class, thats pretty DAMN impressive numbers !!!
Excalibur
1) Cleric 1,100 alb 10,377,023 rp
2) Armsman 987 alb 8,475,714 rp
3) Scout 876 alb 9,118,619 rp
4) Paladin 858 alb 5,928,771 rp
Prydwen
1) Skald 710 mid 10,223,494
2) Cleric 678 alb 5,360,652
3) Thane 623 mid 9,339,502
4) Armsman 598 alb 5,201,966
5) Paladin 546 alb 3,445,469
For a SUPORT class, thats pretty DAMN impressive numbers !!!
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SilverHood
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omg NERF clerics!!!1!
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old.Gombur Glodson
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they did
so soon they'll all respec to lovely buff/healing machines
so soon they'll all respec to lovely buff/healing machines
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Chavez obviously needs to reread his post and comprehend what I wrote
HINT: cleric does not equal smite cleric
HINT: cleric does not equal smite cleric
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SilverHood
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same way a smite cleric isn't a healer... but he can still do it
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Why mezz a group? easy so everyone can target there most effective AOE DOT, AOE De-buff and AOE nukes, that would a lot more effective. Its very anoying trying to fight when spells are raining down every 2 secs. Just mezz and letting the tanks move in is pointless. Your tanks will get mezzed, our casters can't use the AOE DOT, AOE De-buff and AOE nukes. Remember Mid healers have range AOE stuns and instent AOE stuns something we cannot match so why try using CC agaisted the CC masters. Albs (should?) have better magic than mids so lets make the most of it. We are gimping ourselfs, i've hardly ever seen a Earth wizard or a Air Thurgy, he have to many of the same speced classes. There not making smite weaker, there just leveling it off, it may to less damage than a wizards nuke but clerics take more damage.
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My cleric is specced for healing and buffing now so his smite abilities are practically zilch. The only time I will use the smite from my baseline is:
a) Solo v Monsters to soften em up before I whack em
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b) If I spot some sneaky little middy/hib decloaking within smiting range. Likewise, in RvR I will use it on a caster if he is not being harassed by anyone else in the team just to stop him casting.
When I created him I never really thought about smite as an option personally, but I dont really regret it. I am a bit useless in RvR I suppose unless I heal, and thats real difficult when people wont form a group but still want healing (I guess solo they get more RP?)
I think I'll go and read what they are gonna do to me now...
a) Solo v Monsters to soften em up before I whack em
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b) If I spot some sneaky little middy/hib decloaking within smiting range. Likewise, in RvR I will use it on a caster if he is not being harassed by anyone else in the team just to stop him casting.
When I created him I never really thought about smite as an option personally, but I dont really regret it. I am a bit useless in RvR I suppose unless I heal, and thats real difficult when people wont form a group but still want healing (I guess solo they get more RP?)
I think I'll go and read what they are gonna do to me now...
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Couple of interesting points.
Firstly to the poster that said the Cleric TL report just moaned. If you read the start of the report he states that there is simply no point in him giving reports in as Mythic just ignore anyway.
Secondly the post from Chavez about the number of clerics. I'd be interested to see how many of that number would be part of the ever growing trend of buff bots?
Thirdly as it stands the cleric after 1.52 is a complete mess. Buffs finally work but as stated anything over 35 enhance is pointless as it hits the buff cap so that then leaves rejuv or smite. Rejuv is not working right as despite have 23 + 12 from items my base line heals are still far more conservative and better than my spec line heals. So then you are left with smite which had been severely reduced. So this basically means that either way i'm limited in choices until these problems are fixed.
Fourthly by changing the level requirements for the clerics last DD from 48 to 43 mythic have ffectively forced a respec on a cleric unwillingly which in my opinion is unfair and should be compensated for by an extra respec for clerics.
Fifthly why is it seen fit for players who spent days getting their player to 50 see him treated as now as nothing more than a buff bot. This seems like bad games design to me.
Sixth i agree that smite needed reducing but by 25% as it effectively works out is perhaps a little too harsh. 10% would have been better or a larger use of mana required per smite meaning limited usage but as such i can understand the smite nerf.
Seventh the insta mez nerf was a complete disaster. Handing the clerics a major nerf and a secret hidden nerf in that crappy timer is outrageous. I have to stand on the bloody enemy for it to be effective so its often used a life saver.
Eight come 1.52 i'm still deciding whether or not i will play my cleric which in my opinion means effectively my game is over as haven't the time to level another character to 50.
Some interesting points as well so far so be interested in more viewpoints
Firstly to the poster that said the Cleric TL report just moaned. If you read the start of the report he states that there is simply no point in him giving reports in as Mythic just ignore anyway.
Secondly the post from Chavez about the number of clerics. I'd be interested to see how many of that number would be part of the ever growing trend of buff bots?
Thirdly as it stands the cleric after 1.52 is a complete mess. Buffs finally work but as stated anything over 35 enhance is pointless as it hits the buff cap so that then leaves rejuv or smite. Rejuv is not working right as despite have 23 + 12 from items my base line heals are still far more conservative and better than my spec line heals. So then you are left with smite which had been severely reduced. So this basically means that either way i'm limited in choices until these problems are fixed.
Fourthly by changing the level requirements for the clerics last DD from 48 to 43 mythic have ffectively forced a respec on a cleric unwillingly which in my opinion is unfair and should be compensated for by an extra respec for clerics.
Fifthly why is it seen fit for players who spent days getting their player to 50 see him treated as now as nothing more than a buff bot. This seems like bad games design to me.
Sixth i agree that smite needed reducing but by 25% as it effectively works out is perhaps a little too harsh. 10% would have been better or a larger use of mana required per smite meaning limited usage but as such i can understand the smite nerf.
Seventh the insta mez nerf was a complete disaster. Handing the clerics a major nerf and a secret hidden nerf in that crappy timer is outrageous. I have to stand on the bloody enemy for it to be effective so its often used a life saver.
Eight come 1.52 i'm still deciding whether or not i will play my cleric which in my opinion means effectively my game is over as haven't the time to level another character to 50.
Some interesting points as well so far so be interested in more viewpoints
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old.mattshanes
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Krillin dont go coz of a few changes in your class stay if u dont like it lv your inf.
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Krillin.
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i know i won't go
its just a finishing point to draw the attention to how badly the clerics have come off in recent patches
its just a finishing point to draw the attention to how badly the clerics have come off in recent patches
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SilverHood
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we all get hit one time or another... everyone has experienced it, even SM and zerker gimps
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another thing that should be sorted, and which was mentioned in the report, is reducing the casting time for high rejuv specced rezzes.
being 40 rejuv i get the penthouse rez. there's nothing more infuriating for me than to cast a penthouse only for a pala or low rejuv cleric to beat me to it. i lose 50% mana rezzing a lvl 50 and its a pain in the ass when it wasted as its as good as halving my effectiveness.
NOTE TO ALL REZZERS = If time permits i.e. a lull in the battle, let the rejuv specced clerics rez everytime.
being 40 rejuv i get the penthouse rez. there's nothing more infuriating for me than to cast a penthouse only for a pala or low rejuv cleric to beat me to it. i lose 50% mana rezzing a lvl 50 and its a pain in the ass when it wasted as its as good as halving my effectiveness.
NOTE TO ALL REZZERS = If time permits i.e. a lull in the battle, let the rejuv specced clerics rez everytime.
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I agree Dugald but a couple of points: (1) it takes time and experience to learn who the full powered rezzers are and (2) judging if there is time and space is difficult.
/moan mode: Nice to see a cleric who is willing to rez outside his group or guild, all too often one lies dead whilst perfectly good clerics walk on by and leave you to rot /moan mode ends.
/moan mode: Nice to see a cleric who is willing to rez outside his group or guild, all too often one lies dead whilst perfectly good clerics walk on by and leave you to rot /moan mode ends.
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im specced 43/25/20 which is i guess one of the new "smite" templates for 1.51.
my role in rvr: stun + backup mez really. i dont find myself smiting that often anymore, the damage isnt really worth it (200-250 on tanks? pft. they have 2000 hps i aint gonna nuke for 30 sec to kill em
ive pretty much become a stun cleric for my nuker friends, healing+mezzing tanks on them...
my role in rvr: stun + backup mez really. i dont find myself smiting that often anymore, the damage isnt really worth it (200-250 on tanks? pft. they have 2000 hps i aint gonna nuke for 30 sec to kill em
ive pretty much become a stun cleric for my nuker friends, healing+mezzing tanks on them...