Slamming through keep doors??

[Hombrea]

this may sound stuiped but is slamming thru a keep door then hitting me over and over till i am dead , is this allowed??

i know u can PBAOE through a door (even tho its being taken out but fair enough works both ways) but meleeing me through a keep door??

As a Sup SM i see my self as key defence in keep defences and expect to have the advantage on the tanks hitting the door, taking the risk that another pbaoe might hit me which is fair enough but being meleed down surly this cant be allowed.

I got evidence and everything dont wanna mention any names yet but what do my fellow friends of midgard say??

 

[ThE_GuN]

as far as I know this works and therefor is perfectly legal, never heard anything elese

 

[Hombrea]

replying to what u said could be interpreted as

If it works its leagel

therefor any bug in the games is leagel cos it works

does that mean radar is leagel cos it works??

 

[Siri]

Yeah, a bit of a skip in logic there Gun. For a while it was also possible to run into courtyards, ignoring the 2nd door, and attack people. That was expressively forbidden, but would, according to your logic, have been perfectly ok.

 

[crz]

u wanna be able to kill trough keep doors. so why should it be diffrent for us tanks?

 

[Siri]

Ever heard of line of sight and solid objects ?

 

[Hombrea]

but remember siri if it works its legal

 

[Siri]

So, Crz, according to your logic GTAE and volley are not ok and should maybe be removed from the game?
Just because you can't attack the person attacking you.

 

[Hombrea]

in that case lets take all archer's from the keeps out cos they hit u and u cant hit them back

so that leave the keep with..... Lower defence sounds like a plan

 

[crz]

eh. what. no i never said that. im saying that if u can kill trough keep doors. it shouldnt be diffrent with melee. after all it sounds more real to put a sword trough a wooden door. magic would bounce off

 

[Danya]

It's as legal to melee as to pbae.

 

[Vormav]

OK ill make this breif

Its impossible to melee through a door, in daoc and in real life... unless your as cool as me.

I think arrows are able to go through doors but i havnt played for a while and area dmg spells sure can as its pixelized material.

If its a bug witch it probly is then theres 2 ways to it, its ether game related were its basically mythics fault for writing such bad game code or the suspect is using altering his game in ways.

from what ive been told the guys a hax0r user so he should be disaplined in some way or another but if the bugs are game related then its just un-honourable to take advantage of it and theres nowt anyone can do about it.

Though 1 thing is for sure... u >cannot< melee through a door.

 

[Siri]

Ok Crz and Danya, would you please care to argue your points instead of simply saying 'this is so' ?

Like stated above, just because it works doesn't mean it's legal. But according to your simple statements radar i.e. would be ok, just by merit of it working.

Like Vormav said, you simply can't melee through a door. Try it on your own front door if you like the point proven.
Magic on the other hand is ..... well, magic, and does not follow the same rules as physical combat.
The whole point is that physical melee is not treated equally to magical spells and their effects.

 

[Azathrim]

Never seen Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers ?

The fight at the gate in Helm's Deep ....

 

[koxine]

Dunno if it's legal or not, but it will all be changed soon.. in the upcomming patces Volley will be nerfed so it wont pass through the roof of a building so you wont be able to volley ppl's inside lord's room etc.. At the same time PBAE will be nerfed so it wont be possible to pbae through doors and walls.. and i guess it goes for melee attacks too..

And tbh.. theese are fair changes imo..

 

[DaggerElivager]

Never seen Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers ?

The fight at the gate in Helm's Deep ....

thats cos theres soddin great holes in the door

 

[ThE_GuN]

thats cos theres soddin great holes in the door

And who said there wouldnt become a great hole in a gate after 10 ppl have been hacking away on it with theyr weapons?

Anyways, I didnt realy mean it the way I wrote previusly, I was a bit drunk .

 

[Ormorof]

Never seen Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers ?

The fight at the gate in Helm's Deep ....

pfft there was a hole in that door :touch:

 

[Danya]

Ok Crz and Danya, would you please care to argue your points instead of simply saying 'this is so' ?

Like stated above, just because it works doesn't mean it's legal. But according to your simple statements radar i.e. would be ok, just by merit of it working.

Like Vormav said, you simply can't melee through a door. Try it on your own front door if you like the point proven.
Magic on the other hand is ..... well, magic, and does not follow the same rules as physical combat.
The whole point is that physical melee is not treated equally to magical spells and their effects.

DAoC is not real life. You can melee through solid objects because there's no line of sight check on melee - if you have a target selected and are in range, you can hit them. Comparing DAoC to real life is foolish - in real life if you got hit with a two-handed axe, you'd be dead or severely wounded, in daoc you just carry on.
As to why it is ok - back on the old BW forums there was a post from right now with someone complaining about this and their reply is that it's part of the game mechanics. Until NF comes along and fixes it, you're stuck with it.

 

[Cozak]

Comparing DAoC to real life is foolish - in real life if you got hit with a two-handed axe, you'd be dead or severely wounded, in daoc you just carry on.

lmao

 

[Arthemis]

agree koxine

Looking forward to when i can beat the door without hippies pbaoeing me trough it

 

[Elendar]

while you can cast through a door meleeing back is fine
ideally neither should be possible

 

[Siri]

As to why it is ok - back on the old BW forums there was a post from right now with someone complaining about this and their reply is that it's part of the game mechanics.

Thank you, now we are getting close to a real answer to the original question, is this bug abuse or a method endorsed by Mythic/GOA?
It would be interesting to see the official response from GOA though.

Personally I approve of the upcoming changes mentioned, which should make this a passing issue.

Btw, there is a little twist to the original question, the guy in question is doing this through keepwalls as well
But I guess it also falls under the category 'if it works it works' if it's endorsed by Mythic/GOA like you say.

 

[IainC]

It's always been possible to melee through doors. It's not a bug and it's not abuse.

 

[SoulFly]

It's always been possible to melee through doors. It's not a bug and it's not abuse.

I'm sure as hell that it isn't a feature either, so it should be fixed imo


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[Sycho]

What about forceful zephyr through doors requiel? that happened to me...there's nothing you can do if you can't climb walls.

 

[Siri]

You are only answering half the problem description Requiel, is it also an endorsed feature to melee through walls? Or is it a bug? Or a 'working as intended' feature?

[edit] But thank you for clarifying the stance on keepsdoors.

 

[Hombrea]

It's always been possible to melee through doors. It's not a bug and it's not abuse.

a question for u requiel

ok its fair enough to be meleed thru a door from the people that have replied and ur reply i see that its perfectly leagel but thru a wall? does that mean u cant stand by the edge of a wall and feel safe any more?

doors are 1 thing but a wall? where does it stop

i know heres an idea lets draw a nice big yellow (or pink what ever goa prefers) line around walls and keep doors and call it "The safe zone" meaning u cant get melee'd passed this line

i can see the patch notes now

*new safe zone line added to all keeps. If u stand on one side of this line ur safe from melee attack thru soild rock walls*

 

[Coolan]

it is actualy illegal to hit people thought the doors report on rightnow and hope they do someting about it.

 

[Vormav]

Personally all i can say is, who ever thought it clever to be able to melee through a door should be shot, its a fantasy game and all but melee'ing through a door brakes the simplest laws of physics.

Basically, u CANNOT melee through a door or a wall and it IS a bug.

Please sort this problem out because its un-natural.

Also removing these Problems or Bugs would make Keep Assaults alot more strategical wich in my opinion makes the game alot more fun than just plain "Click a target, press frontal assault!"

Alwats remember, a hero is a man who turns the tide, only a lunatic enjoys killing.

Yours honourably, DemonX