Sir Nicholas Winton Dies

[Gwadien]

Who?

I know.

A proper hero.

A proper fucking hero.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33350880

 

[Edmond]

Who?

I know.

A proper hero.

A proper fucking hero.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33350880

Yeah just saw this, he was amazing

 

[Tom]

There's a man whose image deserves to be placed on our currency.

 

[BloodOmen]

What a legend.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Never heard, a legend, RIP. Would be grade A movie material for a based on true story.

 

[Edmond]

Clip from That's Life in 1988


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_nFuJAF5F0

 

[Jupitus]

One of a few amazing individuals who truly made a difference to people's lives in a positive way. RIP

 

[throdgrain]

Damn shame

 

[Moriath]

Damn shame

Aye but he had a long life. Tbh its not a shame if you get over 90 and used it well.

 

[Scouse]

A proper hero.

Oh. I dunno. He saved kids. And we've got lots of them.

Global warming and overpopulation and all, y'know...

 

[Embattle]

A great human being RIP.

 

[Gwadien]

Oh. I dunno. He saved kids. And we've got lots of them.

Global warming and overpopulation and all, y'know...

Or for once you could stop being so negative

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

 

[Job]

Yes of course, but he was privileged and millions died forgotten in muddy fields fighting fascism.
It hardly compares does it.
I saved some Jewish kids because I'm nice.
I risked my life everyday, living knee deep in shit, away from my loved ones and eventually got shot in the face.

 

[Gwadien]

Yes of course, but he was privileged and millions died forgotten in muddy fields fighting fascism.
It hardly compares does it.
I saved some Jewish kids because I'm nice.
I risked my life everyday, living knee deep in shit, away from my loved ones and eventually got shot in the face.

No, it does compare, he was relatively wealthy.

He could have easily stayed at home in the UK and let the kids get killed, but he didn't, don't forget he risked his life just as much as soldiers, if he got caught.

 

[Job]

Nope, not in the same ballpark.

 

[Gwadien]

Nope, not in the same ballpark.

I'm not sure if this is the socialist in you, or you're just being a dick.

I'm not taking credit away from any soldiers, but the matter of the fact is, alot of them were forced to go, alot of them did questionable things which probably removed any heroic factor, if anything, the young gentry redeemed theirselves in World War 2, so many stories of amazing middle/upper class officers being the heroes and role models for 't young working classes.

Anyway, besides the point, this guy DIDN'T have to do anything, he just did it.

Edit, no, I just remembered, it's your blind xenophobic nationalism that's doing it.

WAR YEAH LOVE WAR MAKES HEROES YEAH

 

[Gwadien]

In addition, read the article.

They only found out what the did when he was in his 80s or something.

 

[Job]

Oh lordy, stop believing the hype, well connected priviliged man saves a few hundred kids...very commendable, but to call that a greater personal act of heroism than someone who goes over to fight in the battlefield is a prime example of our simplistic reward system for emotions, making a good story trumps 50 million lives.
As Stalin should have said one feel good story is fantastic, a million deaths is statistics.
Through his entire act of bravery he never went short of tea and biscuits at elevens's.
The same reason we praise goal scorers more than defenders..it's called grabbing the limelight and we have a part in our brain that burys the reality under the carpet to make way for a hero.

 

[Gwadien]

Oh lordy, stop believing the hype, well connected priviliged man saves a few hundred kids...very commendable, but to call that a greater personal act of heroism than someone who goes over to fight in the battlefield is a prime example of our simplistic reward system for emotions, making a good story trumps 50 million lives.
As Stalin should have said one feel good story is fantastic, a million deaths is statistics.
Through his entire act of bravery he never went short of tea and biscuits at elevens's.
The same reason we praise goal scorers more than defenders..it's called grabbing the limelight and we have a part in our brain that burys the reality under the carpet to make way for a hero.

Nah mate, you're a cock.

So you're saying individuals like Schindler shouldn't be remembered either?

The guy that went against the grade in his own party to better the lives of other people, when he could have been living like a king

If anything, the lime light is on the soldiers, not people like this.

Whilst the soldiers were out being treated like heroes on VE Day, this guy was probably trying to find ways to look after the kids he found.

 

[Trem]

I don't usually join in with these things because I can't be arsed with it. But really @Job what was the point in your reply? If the guy was saving these people while wearing a crown and jewel encrusted trousers what the fuck difference does it make to the *people he saved*?

Really it is better to not be replying on a thread where you will instantly be considered a vacuous bell end.

 

[Job]

I'm not dismissing his brave efforts, I'm just saying leaving your loved ones to risk your life on a daily basis in dreadful conditions is braver than what he did..far..far braver, but the anoniminity of the death of grunts doesn't make such a good story.
The guy refused to go to war at first, whatever the validity of his reasons, he let other people go to fight, the war hadn't even started when he arranged trains to rescue the kids.

 

[Job]

His own words

Winton himself insisted he was not a hero because he had never been in danger, merely “working from the safety of my home in Hampstead”.

 

[Gwadien]

His own words

Winton himself insisted he was not a hero because he had never been in danger, merely “working from the safety of my home in Hampstead”.

So you need to get shot at to be a hero?

Fuck you.

 

[throdgrain]

Gwadian is full of teenage angst.

Job has a point, it's just not in any way relevant to the thread.

 

[Gwadien]

Gwadian is full of teenage angst.

Job has a point, it's just not in any way relevant to the thread.

Nah, Job just thinks that because he wasn't using a gun, he doesn't deserve recognition.

Fact is, he single handledly saved those lives - you hear about many stories of soldiers, and there's so many events to remember them and to appreciate them.

 

[Moriath]

Nah, Job just thinks that because he wasn't using a gun, he doesn't deserve recognition.

Fact is, he single handledly saved those lives - you hear about many stories of soldiers, and there's so many events to remember them and to appreciate them.

Not single handedly. He used a lot of other people. But he did instigate it

 

[Job]

I frickin didn't say he shouldn't be recognised, it's just that fighting and dying is a bazillion times more heroic and the guys on the ground saved far more, but it's easier to praise one containable effort.

 

[fettoken]

I'm not dismissing his brave efforts, I'm just saying leaving your loved ones to risk your life on a daily basis in dreadful conditions is braver than what he did..far..far braver, but the anoniminity of the death of grunts doesn't make such a good story.
The guy refused to go to war at first, whatever the validity of his reasons, he let other people go to fight, the war hadn't even started when he arranged trains to rescue the kids.

It was obviously more useful to be in the position he was in, to be able to help the amount of people he did. No? People love to hear a story of an underdog, but still, he made more use than if he'd played a martyr I'd say.

You need to see the whole picture, be objective about it to reach your objectives imo. Your way of thinking is more childish. No offence.

it's just that fighting and dying is a bazillion times more heroic and the guys on the ground saved far more, but it's easier to praise one containable effort.

I don't agree, and think your childishness and naivety shines through here. There's nothing heroic about killing or being killed.

 

[Moriath]

It was obviously more useful to be in the position he was in, to be able to help the amount of people he did. No? People love to hear a story of an underdog, but still, he made more use than if he'd played a martyr I'd say.

You need to see the whole picture, be objective about it to reach your objectives imo. Your way of thinking is more childish. No offence.



I don't agree, and think your childishness and naivety shines through here. There's nothing heroic about killing or being killed.

Aye its just following orders. To be slaughtered. The brain washing has happened before to make you think its a good thing.

Brainlessly putting your life in the chain of command may reap results with numbers but doesnt kale you a hero.

 

[Trem]

It really isn't an argue thread though is it? He did good things, he's died, it's sad. Nothing there to argue about.