Sigh @ Albs

[Etaew]

i guess as a hib youve never gone up against a high rr chanter grp with high mls.. bodyguard smells..

 

[Fadeh]

Only thing fun left is to make those hibs cry too by not coming out :>

 

[Gahn]

Oh

Have already played hibernia a few days Dook. Run around with low realm rank random groups and actually beating high rr balanced enemy guild groups is not how it suppose to be.

That what happened to us Hibbies before Asd nerf against Mid grps? Life is like stairs u know, sometimes u climb em sometimes u ruin down em ...

 

[Steveh]

forgive my ignorance but why cant albs run

2 clerics
1 sorc
1 mincer
2 ice wizzies
1 pally
1 arms / merc

not too familiar with the toa bolllocks (aint doin any of it) but aint it kinda the same thing?

u just seem to talk a lot of <insert random word> about mid, while i dont see how that mid group would be any better (actually i think a lot worse) than the standard hib pbaoe group

we have many ice wizis in the guild some RR6 some just lower RvR.but when they pbaoing around 300 damage max to 400 very few 500 with a good crit i think its worse then try.
when a melee realm pbaoeing me ( full resist ) around 500 always the magic realm pbaoing me with a debuff around 700 ( i got 800 sometimes ) and the pet zerg interupt our support think we stay at the melee setup.

slow kill = fast death ,thats the ice wizi atm

 

[Sulphur]

Cry me a river

 

[Fadeh]

That what happened to us Hibbies before Asd nerf against Mid grps? Life is like stairs u know, sometimes u climb em sometimes u ruin down em ...

You mean, sometimes you climb them and sometimes you try to climb but each step is 3 meters so no normal human can keep on going.

 

[Jarakin]

we have many ice wizis in the guild some RR6 some just lower RvR.but when they pbaoing around 300 damage max to 400 very few 500 with a good crit i think its worse then try.
when a melee realm pbaoeing me ( full resist ) around 500 always the magic realm pbaoing me with a debuff around 700 ( i got 800 sometimes ) and the pet zerg interupt our support think we stay at the melee setup.

slow kill = fast death ,thats the ice wizi atm

Steveh, sorry mate but thats utter bollocks, for the following reasons:

Ice Wizz pbae = Mana Eld pbae or thereabouts, hibs do not run with energy debuffers (void elds) for our pbae. The only difference between our pbae and your pbae = current 20% pow relics, if you get hit for 700-800, you can thank Wild Power (Chance to crit RA if you didnt know), not debuffs.

Alb caster groups are viable, you just have to experiment and see what works instead of being afraid of change, take Ilum's Outcast cabby/sorc group as an example, they play well and are a tough group to fight, even though a fair few of them are low rr, much kudos to them. We've been doing full on caster groups a fair while longer out of necessity, so in principle we know what works and what doesn't, mebbe its time you try and figure that out too instead of complaining about it?

Jara.

 

[xxManiacxx]

we are running

2 healers 1 skald 1 rm 1 sm 1 shaman 1 warrior 1 zerker. We are doing quite ok I must say so far and we haven´t finished ml´s or artifacts or made our new templates yet.


I think albion can come up with something similiar to this.

 

[xxManiacxx]

we have many ice wizis in the guild some RR6 some just lower RvR.but when they pbaoing around 300 damage max to 400 very few 500 with a good crit i think its worse then try.
when a melee realm pbaoeing me ( full resist ) around 500 always the magic realm pbaoing me with a debuff around 700 ( i got 800 sometimes ) and the pet zerg interupt our support think we stay at the melee setup.

slow kill = fast death ,thats the ice wizi atm

Warlord ml3 is good for pets. I am running warlord only for that ability in our grp

 

[constanze]

oh yes use TACTICS

bla bla bla albs are balanced....

show me one activ ice wizz group ............

and you will never see one on prydwen becouse we cant use tactics and are dump

 

[dimerian]

we are running

2 healers 1 skald 1 rm 1 sm 1 shaman 1 warrior 1 zerker. We are doing quite ok I must say so far and we haven´t finished ml´s or artifacts or made our new templates yet.


I think albion can come up with something similiar to this.

That setup looks fun,which this end-game should always be,nice to see savageless groups

 

[Corran]

Alb caster groups are viable, you just have to experiment and see what works instead of being afraid of change, take Ilum's Outcast cabby/sorc group as an example, they play well and are a tough group to fight, even though a fair few of them are low rr, much kudos to them. We've been doing full on caster groups a fair while longer out of necessity, so in principle we know what works and what doesn't, mebbe its time you try and figure that out too instead of complaining about it?

Jara.

One the most fun groups to run too. Tank groups are just sooooooooo easy to run well compared to this and is no fun. Is such a laugh too being the lowest RR in the group yet being a key member at times due to being the only mind sorc, puts presure on you but makes the fights so much rewarding when you know you played a big part in victory. Thou you dont want to hear me when we lose Im good at that self cursing before others get in there.
Not sure what my lwrp is, but i've past the 100k mark already from just a couple nights so aint doing to bad either, and thats going up against some the best groups as well as randoms. Is nice achievement when you playing a new style and actually finding it a challenge. MA'in on corran was simple compared to this. See a savage, kill a savage. then onto support etc. As long as you click the right target and stick your sorted

There a nasty mid group out atm. Pbaoe group that if they get the jump on you then you are screwed. Insta mezz always used, followed by a casted stun. On our group, well we dead rather quick is all i can say Mids got a strong advantage with that for pbaoe groups.

Alb pbaoe. Just aint viable tbh, moment you break mezz the enemy is out the pbaoe box and assist nukes aint great as only really room for 2 wizzies to be viable and have some sort of utility and survival chance, might be able to work a 3rd into it and still be ok thou, gives he extra dmg for at kils with pbaoe but you gonna need to be in time on casts unlike mids due to the stun.

Hib pbaoe. Lots of utility in group. easier to play then alb, harder then mids hence the reliance on assist nukes lately. Still one the strongest setups with lots of utility. A good group wipes most the enemy. a bad group. Well tbh a half awake enemy can take them down without much effort.

All this is an old subject thou


However. basically. you want to get round toa then you got to adapt. it that simple. You need a caster in the group somewhere but albs arent looking into this, if you cant inturupt then bodyguard will cause your death. And believe me, 1 sorc aint enough to keep a good group inturupted as well as staying alive, keeping pets under control and keeping an eye out for more adds into fight which there are 80% the time. This is why albs got the problem atm.

As for keep defence/retakes. If their enemy in there you dont. It that simple. they be on full power and you have no inturupt ability as your casters are drained dry. Remember ren last week. i sprinted to the top and by time i was there i was on 8% power. not much you can do like that. On top of that storms constantly have you in combat so either you moc or you quickcast. Neither is enough to keep you going long enough to end a seige.

 

[Eroda]

Albs are generally sick of going out to keeps and getting farmed, hence the lack of response early on. Attacking keeps, getting both doors down and then getting owned by wards and pbaoe isn't very enjoyable.

As for alb caster groups, they are definitely still viable and with bg and resist piercing, more so than ever before.

However imo, alb caster group setups will always be slightly lacking and more fragile than the other realm counter-parts merely due to the way the abilities are spread onto the classes.

 

[remi]

i got shrooms i got keeps, but i got no rps ((((((((((((((((((

 

[Jarakin]

i got shrooms i got keeps, but i got no rps ((((((((((((((((((

Lies, joo have a F8 key + claws ;o

 

[Dreami]

Another pain in the azz gone if u leave.

And Araudry, can u pls retire also, k thx.

HeheyougotpainintheAZZZZZ m8

 

[Tareregion]

Nothing more fun than farming Fader with our overpowered bodyguard

 

[Xxcalibur]

sycho i am happy if i can / hug u

 

[Brolundar]

forgive my ignorance but why cant albs run

2 clerics
1 sorc
1 mincer
2 ice wizzies
1 pally
1 arms / merc

not too familiar with the toa bolllocks (aint doin any of it) but aint it kinda the same thing?

u just seem to talk a lot of <insert random word> about mid, while i dont see how that mid group would be any better (actually i think a lot worse) than the standard hib pbaoe group

Because its not as powerful.
- No instant-ae-stun
- No instant ae-mezz
- leaking one healer and one support healer = about 40% less heal power
- leaking 3 perfect rezzes
- leaking secondary CC
- ice wizzies leaking pets and utilities
- group leaking instant ae-desease and ae-desease
- difference in average time until death between pac-healer and sorc ^^

did i miss anything?

 

[xxManiacxx]

That setup looks fun,which this end-game should always be,nice to see savageless groups

Just ask Fokias grp how much fun they thought it was yesterday when we stumbled upon them twice

One of the times he even tried to sneak away, leaving his grp behind him

 

[xxManiacxx]

oh yes use TACTICS

bla bla bla albs are balanced....

show me one activ ice wizz group ............

and you will never see one on prydwen becouse we cant use tactics and are dump

I don´t see any grps of that kind maybe because noone wants to try it? Dunno. Can´t say that it WILL work but u have to try it out before dismissing the idea. Our grp setup is far from the usual fotm mid gank grp that everyone seems to think all mids are running. And we are doing ok.

 

[Ilum]

Albion simply can not run an efficient PBAE group because of Wizard's lack of utility. They do not have a pet to interrupt, intercept or heal. They do not have debuff to give them good nuke damage. They can not be a small race with high dex that is hard to target. They do not have group purge to back them up when CC'ed. Nor do they have AE stun or instamez to rely on.

This stuff doesn't matter a lot inside a keep with wards up etc, but when people don't have a PBAE group running on a regular basis it's not very easy to form one just for keep wars. They'll lack teamplay as well as realm rank to be efficient. And who's gonna take all the time to toa SC their wiz just for keep wars?

Atleast an Albion mage group works ok, thanks to having more useful casters with stat debuffs, cc, demezzers, resist debuffs, pets etc etc.

Also if noone knows I used to play a lot in Icewizard groups, we rocked in DF and keeps, but that was about it. And we did play a lot then so had good time to see the pro and cons of grp. And trust me, there was more cons.

 

[nuky]

Because its not as powerful.
- No instant-ae-stun
- No instant ae-mezz
- leaking one healer and one support healer = about 40% less heal power
- leaking 3 perfect rezzes
- leaking secondary CC
- ice wizzies leaking pets and utilities
- group leaking instant ae-desease and ae-desease
- difference in average time until death between pac-healer and sorc ^^

did i miss anything?

i know what my realm has thanks i also know alb has a lot of nice things in that group which you forgot to mention ^^

 

[Jarakin]

Wizzes do indeed unfortunately seem to lack the utility to make them a viable class for a so-called opted RvR group. The comparisons being made earlier were purely about pbae strength Alb mage groups do indeed seem to be viable though as Mr. Ilum here and his merry band of scallywags has demonstrated quite well, which was the point I was making in the first place

 

[Amuse]

i have been runing in Erodafiras pbaoe groups this last week, and my experiense is that we are lacking the utilety that mids and hibs has.

no.1, is the insta mezz, and chain wearing mezzer that both mid and hib has. The albion mezzer dies to fast, and has no insta mezz, so we HAFTO spot the enemy first, to even stand a small chance of killing them withoute the suport from any outesiders (ppl not in the group)

no.2 The group purge that hibernia has, then it wont matter if we spot them first, they group purge, and set theyr casting pets on the healers, then go in a pbaoe.. not much we can do againts hib pboae groups tbh, if they know what they are doing, we dont stand a chance.

no.3, The aoe stun that midgard has. the ones in the alb group that has purge, has purged the insta mezz, and then gets stunned, usualy in a nice small box for the SMs to kill us in.

no.4, the ice wizzys lack of utilety. the main part beeing that they dont have pets, like the other pbaoe classes (exept eldys, but chanters are mainly used in hib groups) has

no5. the lack of sorcs in albion atm, prolly becouse of point no.1

no.6, The lack of healing power, Hibernia groups runs with druids and bards(speed song, mana song, end song, CC, aoe root, pet, group purge (RA abilety)), midgard groups runs with healers and shammys (CC, good buffs, end reg, aoe root, dot, healing etc etc etc), and alb groups runs with clerics (healing, and the odd stunn that last for a few secs, and BoF)



And at the point of capturing a hib keep with defenders.. its imposible unless you have 70++++++ albs. The fields, the pbaoe, the SHROOMS!

 

[Elendar]

Steveh, sorry mate but thats utter bollocks, for the following reasons:

Ice Wizz pbae = Mana Eld pbae or thereabouts, hibs do not run with energy debuffers (void elds) for our pbae. The only difference between our pbae and your pbae = current 20% pow relics, if you get hit for 700-800, you can thank Wild Power (Chance to crit RA if you didnt know), not debuffs.

Alb caster groups are viable, you just have to experiment and see what works instead of being afraid of change, take Ilum's Outcast cabby/sorc group as an example, they play well and are a tough group to fight, even though a fair few of them are low rr, much kudos to them. We've been doing full on caster groups a fair while longer out of necessity, so in principle we know what works and what doesn't, mebbe its time you try and figure that out too instead of complaining about it?

Jara.

as far as ice wiz go, alb v mid mids will have a higher resist buff (16 compared to 8) vs pbaoe, but other than that there should be no difference really

and yes, ilums debuffer grp is a very good setup

 

[Jeriraa]

Because its not as powerful.
- No instant-ae-stun
- No instant ae-mezz
- leaking one healer and one support healer = about 40% less heal power
- leaking 3 perfect rezzes
- leaking secondary CC
- ice wizzies leaking pets and utilities
- group leaking instant ae-desease and ae-desease
- difference in average time until death between pac-healer and sorc ^^

did i miss anything?

Lets see...

of the 3 healers 1 will be 44 pac, 31 mend so the overpowered insta ae stun you are referring to is a lvl 38 spell with a 150 radius and a 9sec duration determination and resists not taken into account. The insta ae mezz is a lvl 36 spell so resisted even more often. Radius 150, duration 26 secs. - Using these means handing out free immunity in most cases.

Secondary cc... Lets see, you got mezz from sorc and mincer (probably even on different immunity timers) and you got root. - Advantage is yours here with 2 ae mezzing classes.

Leaking 3 perfect rezzes... Bunker of Faith, Faith Heal, SoS - do I have to say more?

Durability of the Sorc... give or take 1 sec compared to a healer. If I get slam'd and then ma'd I am dead within 2-3 seconds. Same with pbae. Chain - cloth, there is no difference when you cant escape a damage peak. But when they get to slam and MA/pbae me then its my fault and not bad class design.

Insta disease for a pbae group... what is it good for?

Ice wizzies leaking pets and utility... Excuse my limited knowledge about albion classes but:
Ice Wiz needs to spec 48 ice while supp SM has to spec 49 supp for the last pbae so more points for the 2nd spec. Ice Wiz has an _ae_dd with debuff in the same spec line as the pbae and is cappable of ae-debuffing his own damage.


The only real point you made is the heal power of a mid group being superior. But do not forget that we give up a damage dealer spot for that!

 

[Sulphur]

Apples or pears..

 

[Nxs]

The only real point you made is the heal power of a mid group being superior. But do not forget that we give up a damage dealer spot for that!

The only REAL point is one that you must have missed here, being the instant CC that the other two realms have, typicaly a mid group will.

If close, instant AOE stun - pbaoe - dead albs
If ranged, instant AOE stun - castable MEZZ - get into possition, pbaoe - dead albs

If the alb group are in mid transit and /stuck to a group leader theres nothing we can do, apart from everymember using purge. The comments about alb's having SoS and BoF and FH are all negated in frontiers as these will either vanish or become avaliable to the other realms.

Its also worth noticing that alb have more classes then the other two realms, I remember reading some time ago that to build the CORE members of any group, CC, speed, end, buffs, resists etc... would take 3 people from Hib, 4 from Mid and 6 from Alb, Albs get very litle increase in utility over the other groups even iwth 6 members.

But as a final thought, if all three realms had the same abilaties and the same spells - wouldnt it be boring

Catacombs would be interesting IF :-
Alb class with instant ranged AOE crowd control
Hib a new stealther class
Mid a new stealther class

 

[Sycho]

Just ask Fokias grp how much fun they thought it was yesterday when we stumbled upon them twice

One of the times he even tried to sneak away, leaving his grp behind him

First time instant mezz and healer not paying attention.(well probably half the group actually xD )

Second time fucked up by chasing a few other mids so only half group was there...everyone makes mistakes though so it doesn't bother me.Meet you head on it be a tough fight i assure you.

It makes a change xxcalibur eh?