sick, sick world

[fl3a]

Story - Cops Say Mom, Son Forced Into Sex - AOL News

 

[Gamah]

What the fuck, fucking sick.

It's time like these when you wonder why the P.C crew think these scumbag ***** deserve any human rights.

 

[swords]

Because then we'd be no better Gam Gams...

 

[Gamah]

Because then we'd be no better Gam Gams...

Ahh yes if I cut there knackers off I may as well of broken into that women's house and raped and sodomised her :|

 

[leviathane]

that's pretty fcked up.

 

[Shagrat]

that's sick.

Can't really comprehend the mentality of people who would do something like this

 

[Blackjack]

"My son has a good heart"
Your son has a black fucking heart. And i sincerely hope he'll get gang raped every day for the rest of his life (hopefully) in prison.

aged 16 and 14.. Videogames didn't do this, violent movies didn't do this, Rock and roll didn't do this. Parents of a gang raping, gun wielding, torturer who still believes their son is a good boy, caused this if anything.
People like these should be put away, and never given a second chance.
You put a young girl in jail for years for pushing a grown man.
Now do what is right for once and force them to reveal who was with them, then throw them all into the deepest, darkest prison. Filled with really horny ruthless black men, who are all members of the 12 inch club. And leave them there to rot.

 

[old.Tohtori]

"My son has a good heart"
Your son has a black fucking heart. And i sincerely hope he'll get gang raped every day for the rest of his life (hopefully) in prison.

aged 16 and 14.. Videogames didn't do this, violent movies didn't do this, Rock and roll didn't do this.

Actually, he's probably as normal as anyone out there. The problem here is, yes, not games, not movies, not nerd games...but socialising.

Groups of people, especially teenage, are the most dangerous thing around since peer pressure throws morals and such right out the window. Also being in a group means, you're not REALLY responsible. In your mind that is. All it takes is the spark from someone in the group to say something and the game is on.

They actualy CAN be really nice kids, individually, but when they get together, they turn into something we've all seen countless times. Part of a mob.

Filled with really horny ruthless black men, who are all members of the 12 inch club. And leave them there to rot.

You racist

 

[Healer McHeal]

Thats pretty sickening really, hope all of them get what they deserve. That mother will now be scared to even open her door and her will be scar'd for life... amazing what we humans are capable of, sickening to even think of it really :/

 

[Blackjack]

Actually, he's probably as normal as anyone out there. The problem here is, yes, not games, not movies, not nerd games...but socialising.

Groups of people, especially teenage, are the most dangerous thing around since peer pressure throws morals and such right out the window. Also being in a group means, you're not REALLY responsible. In your mind that is. All it takes is the spark from someone in the group to say something and the game is on.

They actualy CAN be really nice kids, individually, but when they get together, they turn into something we've all seen countless times. Part of a mob.



You racist

Thing is, there are plenty of groups of teenagers who do not go around gang raping people, pouring stuff into their eyes etc. Many of them do stupid shit like, trash a bus stop, get into fights or steal a car. Criminal and retarded stuff. But for me personally there is a quantum leap from that, and to what these boys did. It wasn't just stupid, it was down right evil.

What kind of person you are comes down to; what is the worst and best you can do. What are you like when the chips are down.

If the best you can do is be a good boy and act nice, while the worst you can do is gang rape an torture somebody. That, in my book, makes you someone who does not deserve to walk the streets.
The fact that they are "nice kids" when they are alone, doesn't mean shit. If you can bring yourself to do this kind of thing to innocent people, you are not a good human being. Peer pressure or not.


I'm not a racist, i hate everyone equally

 

[old.Tohtori]

I have to disagree slightly. Sure, criminal behaviour does need a certain type of brain, or way of upbringing/thinking for it to kick over the "this isn't right" limit.

But once there, the lines are very very hazy. If it's ok to trash a bustop, why not trash a mall, why not steal from the mall while at it, so why not steal from peoples homes and while you're there, why not have some sex(sice it's so cool). And so forth. The lines drawn inside the criminal area are very personal and to most people, once you're there, it's all good.

Also on the matter of: "What kind of person you are comes down to; what is the worst and best you can do. What are you like when the chips are down."

You have to take that and apply it also to a worst case scenario. When there's a gun to your head. Peer pressure can act as a unspoken gun for the kids also.

Say you're in a gang, you're told to "ice" a rival member, but if you don't do it, you get killed for being weak. What do you do? If you get what i mean.

Sure, some of those kids(or all) can be violent sons of nogood, but i could almost bet that a few of them were there, shocked as f*ck, but doing those things 'cause it "went that far" and they don't want to get killed by their peers.

Have to remember that they don't actually have to kill you, but for a teenager, getting cast out is almost worse then death.

EDIT: I'm not defending this, i don't think it's ok, i'm not being against anything here, but just offering a viewpoint.

 

[Blackjack]

I have to disagree slightly. Sure, criminal behaviour does need a certain type of brain, or way of upbringing/thinking for it to kick over the "this isn't right" limit.

But once there, the lines are very very hazy. If it's ok to trash a bustop, why not trash a mall, why not steal from the mall while at it, so why not steal from peoples homes and while you're there, why not have some sex(sice it's so cool). And so forth. The lines drawn inside the criminal area are very personal and to most people, once you're there, it's all good.

Also on the matter of: "What kind of person you are comes down to; what is the worst and best you can do. What are you like when the chips are down."

You have to take that and apply it also to a worst case scenario. When there's a gun to your head. Peer pressure can act as a unspoken gun for the kids also.

Say you're in a gang, you're told to "ice" a rival member, but if you don't do it, you get killed for being weak. What do you do? If you get what i mean.

Sure, some of those kids(or all) can be violent sons of nogood, but i could almost bet that a few of them were there, shocked as f*ck, but doing those things 'cause it "went that far" and they don't want to get killed by their peers.

Have to remember that they don't actually have to kill you, but for a teenager, getting cast out is almost worse then death.

Where you draw the line is what determines if you are a good person or not.
Trashing a bus stop, stupid. Trashing a mall, stupid. Stealing from said mall, stupid. Raping someone, malicious. Destroying and stealing from "Public places" doesn't directly hurt anyone. Beating someone, smashing their face, raping them. Takes you over that line from stupid to mean.

I had peer pressure in my teens to. Try this drug, lets smash this thing, lets fight this group. It wasn't hard, i simply said no. If you friends wants you to do fucked up shit, and then shun you if you don't.. who the fuck cares? they are not your friends.
I don't care how much pressure there is, you don't do something like this.
If anyone feels peer pressure is a bad as an actual gun to their head, they are too feeble minded to walk the street, and should be kept in a protected environment.

You mention gang. Gang mentality is retarded aswell. We are a group, we are bigger than the individual. Therefor the rules do not apply to us.
There are so many gangs around the world, and the police is like "We don't have the manpower to stop them" And the lack of police intervention also cause single people to act like they are above the law.

A guy i have had a few run-ins with here in my town. Has now been arrested for beating his 17 year old gf to death. This guy made deaththreaths to most people in the area where he lived. It was reported, the police couldn't do anything. He was in jail 1 time, for aggravated assault. That's it, and he did alot of shit. Having to fight this guy, you knew that it wasn't over. That he would get all his fucking gypsy friends together and you would have to deal with them.

Will you seriously hurt someone who isn't involved in a lifechanging attack (rape, bad assault or murder) against you friends/family. Hell even random people in the street. You need to see a psychologist. Would you initiate a lifechanging attack on someone who has done nothing to you. You are not a person worth having around.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm not saying gangs are good, though they have some good points, but i'm saying that individuals mind(or how twisted it is) can be altered in such situations.

All are not ironmen like you BJ, all can't "just say no". It's easy for a strong willed person to say that. But that's not the case with most kids, they are not strong willed. They like groups, they feel safe, they feel part of a group and individuals flaws don't count that much. When you're part of a group, you're safe from people looking directly at you. But that's a bit off the point, more towards WHY people group together to do stupid stuff.

Anyhoo, about drawing the lines. It's not that clear cut really. You say that trashing a busstop doesn't make you a bad person, i say it does. You say raping someone and stealing all their posessions is quantum leaps away,(now don't take the next THAT serious) i don't see it like that. Depends on the person. Some might heal faaster from a rape then loss of property(say all your cash). Afterall, mental scars heal free, money doesn't grow on trees.

Anyway, lines are personal, someone might say a busstop trasher should be locked away for good, some might say slap them on the wrist and let them go 'cause they ain't that bad people.

Sure, the lines you cross can tell what kind of a person you are, but how good a person you are is opinion related. Everyone has personal lines and also personal opinions on what is ok to cross. So basicly, it's the same as morals, can't make 'em for all humanity.

EDIT: Was gonna bring the matter of "how is a terrorist interrigator any different then those kids, good human wise, as the CIA torturer is surely a worse human?", but that would take it into a whole new level and i think it's mixed enough.

 

[Blackjack]

Some might heal faaster from a rape then loss of property(say all your cash). Afterall, mental scars heal free, money doesn't grow on trees.

Thing is, i have 2 friends who has been raped and a third who was attempted raped. Mental scars from a rape, might be free to heal.. IF they heal. And they sure as hell take longer to heal, than it does to make the money back.
Even though one of them was raped years and years ago. She still completely freak out if you touch her neck. I mean break down crying and shaking.
All of them feel dirty and it is VERY hard to convince them that it is not their fault. And that they did nothing wrong.
Rape is about the worst thing you can do someone, short of killing them.
I get furious when it comes to rape. And i wouldn't put it past me to seriously injure someone for a rape.

I'm sorry, but i just can't see the argument.. Even if they are such pack animals. The fact that they value the fellowship above the life of innocent people, makes them bad.

 

[aika]

Clockwork Orange irl.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Like i said BJ, don't take it THAT seriously(which i can understand why you do). I know what the effects are and how it's commonly a mental scar that won't heal. It was just a point towards that other people feel/heal differently from different things.

But a bit off the original point.

I know this was wrong and something is not right in those kids heads, but i can also understand how group mentality is a factor in it. I bet none of them would've done it alone.

EDIT:

Also the other point, i'll try to make it clearer, is that: Lines drawn in the criminal side of things is a personal view as much as morals. Can't be said which lines are definate rights.

 

[Blackjack]

Like i said BJ, don't take it THAT seriously(which i can understand why you do). I know what the effects are and how it's commonly a mental scar that won't heal. It was just a point towards that other people feel/heal differently from different things.

But a bit off the original point.

I know this was wrong and something is not right in those kids heads, but i can also understand how group mentality is a factor in it. I bet none of them would've done it alone.

EDIT:

Also the other point, i'll try to make it clearer, is that: Lines drawn in the criminal side of things is a personal view as much as morals. Can't be said which lines are definate rights.

I see what you mean, but lines set by criminals are useless. Whether or not he thinks what he does is as bad as another, doesn't really matter.
Some of them might think it's perfectly alright, while others think this is really fucked up. Doesn't matter what faction you belong to in that respect. If you do something like this, you deserve the worst.

The severity of a crime is always judged by your personal standards, but punished by a set bar. Sometimes it's too harsh, sometimes not nearly harsh enough.
The line of what is crime and horrible crime is also set by the individual. Although i doubt anyone would argue that this is fucking horrible.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes ofcourse i meant lines set by non criminals towards crimes.

We're on the same page on this really, albeit in different levels of set standards.

 

[Zenith]

I know where you are heading Toh, but the line between doing something involving something nonorganic and beating/raping someone is in my opinion bigger than that. I think something is "wrong" if you go around trashing malls and busstops, something which might have "evolved" while being in a gang, but to do something to a living humanbeing just drags it to another level.. Im not saying they are permenantly ill, and I do agree with you about that it prop. has alot to do with them being in a gang, but to do such a thing more factors MUST have played in, such as parents for example.

 

[Bugz]

The world's a sick place.

I would feel no regret if I were allowed to beat the shit out of every one of them fucks in a room, slowly and painfully. I could seriously kill them all in cold blood and not care. The world doesn't need anyone like that. What a bunch of morons. I hope what goes around, truly does come around.

 

[Gamah]

The world's a sick place.

I would feel no regret if I were allowed to beat the shit out of every one of them fucks in a room, slowly and painfully. I could seriously kill them all in cold blood and not care. The world doesn't need anyone like that. What a bunch of morons. I hope what goes around, truly does come around.

You could attack them with your chin.

 

[fl3a]

I would feel no regret if I were allowed to beat the shit out of every one of them fucks in a room, slowly and painfully. I could seriously kill them all in cold blood and not care. The world doesn't need anyone like that. What a bunch of morons. I hope what goes around, truly does come around.

savage vengeance hasnt helped anyone, it might seem like a good idea, but really, we need some better system than that, and a far better one than the current penal system

 

[Azurus]

You could attack them with your chin.

Or you could smother them in their sleep with that cheese burger locker gut of yours.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I would feel no regret if I were allowed to beat the shit out of every one of them fucks in a room, slowly and painfully. I could seriously kill them all in cold blood and not care.

And that makes you better...how exactly? If you actually did that.

 

[leviathane]

Three jailed for holding man in shed - Yahoo! News UK

another sick event.

 

[Gamah]

Or you could smother them in their sleep with that cheese burger locker gut of yours.

Or I could use your huge fat cheeks to crush him so they are useful for something other than sucking off rancid Finnish sailors.

 

[Gamah]

Three jailed for holding man in shed - Yahoo! News UK

another sick event.

I'd break part of the shed off so next time they came in i'd impale them though the fucking eye.

 

[Congax]

You could attack them with your chin.

lol



(Sorry Bugz, but that was just good comedy! )

 

[jasskass]

savage vengeance hasnt helped anyone

I beg to differ!

 

[Huntingtons]

The world's a sick place.

I would feel no regret if I were allowed to beat the shit out of every one of them fucks in a room, slowly and painfully. I could seriously kill them all in cold blood and not care. The world doesn't need anyone like that. What a bunch of morons. I hope what goes around, truly does come around.

i would like to punish them physically but thinking it and doing it are very different things. rape is the most horrible crime that can be comitted (imo so dont start toh!) but i agree with toh that peer pressure can make people do the most horrible things but to some extend upbringing has a factor - doesnt mean that they had a shitty childhood but something could have went wrong in so many ways