sick of RvR guilds

[JoxerTheMighty]

How often did that happen to you? You just managed to build a decent group (for RvR or PvE) and suddenly some peeps just drop out without saying a word?
Well..maybe you are lucky and get a reply after several /sends and get telled that they are joining a guildgroup.
Okay..it's his right. But why ffs couldn't he tell that BEFORE he left? Or maybe think one step further and give the group a timeframe to adjust to that and find someone else who joins them?
Today that same thing happened to me four times. I just joined or have build a group and suddenly everyone drops out (best example was Black Dragon yesterday...three members left the group and only one of them gave us an explanation before).

Now the GM's of those guilds may say that it is better for their teamplay to start a guildgroup cause everybody knows everyones styles, way to play the game, etc etc. Could be true...but that also means that players who have not joined such an Super-Uber-I-am-tough-guild have quite a disadvantage. If the only goal this guilds want to achieve in this game is to farm as many possible realmpoints in the least possible time - then I am definately playing the wrong game.

I mean..common...look at the chronicles...How many of the guilds listed there are pure RvR-guilds? How many new guilds have formed recently with only that one purpose? Namely to farm rps? Most peeps in those guilds have never left Druim Ligen after the bindstone was placed there. Heck, if Mythic would pack all zones below Connacht and Bri Leith into an addon - no one of these guys would get it.

Maybe all this pure RvR-guild are good for Hibernia..but its definately bad for the players who just like to play the game and RvR on a not-so-regular-basis.



Let the flaming begin..................

 

[Hit ^_^]

think this is something that everyone knows. and dont think
there is a sulution to it, if its even needed.
cant realy see the point of this thread.

no fun ganing rp's in there aint lots of friend's to talk to when u do it.

 

[sorusi]

RvR is what keeps most ppl playing this game so long i guess, atleast for myself it is and RvE is allready boring once you have reached L50

Therefore haveing rvr guilds were you have the same team to play with etc (build up teamplay/rutine - to be even more sucsessfull) is a nice solution...

Think its wrong that ppl leave w/o saying a word - same word when someone asks for grp and noone responds... think its unfair

And you like to stick together with your guild cos of rutine, and you can hopefully trust them more when you rvr (if not then your in the wrong guild ) ....


And joining a RvR guild should have advantages right? - orelse you could just be in some non-rvr group were they farm items for you etc go on trips with them, then get a grp from some rvr guild just as your a member...

Most guilds like to stick togheter... i prefer it aswell (after haveing horrible random rvr guilds) - some ppl just cant work togheter with eachother..

 

[Lessurl]

Well, i have to say that people dropping from my groups without a word to join a guild rvr group annoys me too. Common courtesy would be to at least say sorry, i'm gonna leave to join a guild group. I've started a list of everyone who drops without a word and i'm never grouping them again. If everyone does this then these people will find that instead of having it easier to farm rps by being in their rvr guild it will now be harder bcos they will be blacklisted by the rest of hib and will only be able to rvr when enough people are on from their guild.

 

[sorusi]

ppl that never speak up or respond get on my nerves

cant goa insert a 1day ban for being afk etc?

 

[Adralend]

*Caugh* First Cohort *Caugh*

No offence

I almost never see FC peops in other groups than guildgroups, but Heck they never join a group and leave after 5 misn to join guildgrp. of my knowing anyway

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Well, there are several people I know of in Albion.
People that leave to "better" groups, cause they feel they are not getting enough rp's for example.
People that drop from a group without saying anything. I usually do a /send did you ld? Normally they suddenly have to join a guild group or so...
I fail to understand those people, cause you have to treat people with some curtesy. People who never did so, I dislike intensily.
Yes, the only person who I have caught doing so time and time again would C****d, but she is just sad really.
On the other hand, if someone goes to join a mate of his, or a guild group, that is no problem really. This game is played for fun mostly, so you should try to maximise your own fun without bothering others.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Elric IA]

I just feel sorry for all the non-level 50s in the guilds they have left behind.

However, you pay your money, you play the game as you want to.

 

[kameh]

Most people will say "I have to join a guild group in about 20-30mins" I dont think I've ever seen anyone leave without saying, even if I did I dont think I'd hold it against them unless our group was kicking serious ass.

 

[old.Wildfire]

Thats funny, FC has more problems than any guild I've played with as far as getting people to actually form a guild group. While people in our groups (not even from "RvR Guilds") disappear left right and centre at the drop of a hat saying nothing more than "joining guild group cya", do our members do the same for us? Not often...

 

[old.Filip]

have been grouping with FC a lot .. and they are allways nice

(have only 1 time seen 1 guy left the group without a word and join a guild group, could have been a bad day or something)

so in my experince any mocking on FC would be wrong placed...

I bet more ppl could say something about HB's leaving for guild group... but thats they way guilds work i would say..

 

[old.Pempula]

I am in the guild I joined very early on in the game (in beta actually) and Im not leaving .

Still, to whom it is important, I have to say that the pure RvR guilds have definitely had a big impact in the game. Hibernia used to have the lowest amount of RP total as a realm, now I can see that we are making the most RPs per week of any realm (probably catching up first with uke:Midgard then passing them and even uke:Albion, in the end).

Have to kill the dragon though , ashamed to say that I haven't been on a single dragon raid.

 

[jetsetminer]

This comes from the lack of common curtesy within certain guilds and people in general in this game. I have seen lots of people from lots of guilds, not just "RvR" guilds being completely arrogant, un-friendly, un-helpful and impolite.

On a number of occasions I have risked my neck to rez people in either RvR or PvE and it is always nice to get a /bow or a ty. At one point after a particualrly difficult rez that nearly got me killed the person in question was nice enough to give me some gold as a thankyou . People from one particular RvR guild have NEVER said a word or a /bow following rez's in either situation. These are probably the same people that just ignore group requests etc. rather than taking the time to just say, "sorry full", or "we have a cleric" or some other reason for not wanting you in the group.

Does it really take much to say thankyou when people put themselves out? I guess they are so "Uber" that they don't need anyones help and would rather not be rezed? I always make a point of saying thankyou for any buffs, rescues, rez's etc. Because people don't have to help, and I always appreciate it.

Well, the people in question won't get helped by me anymore if they cannot have the common decency to be polite It doesn't really take that much effort does it?

(Sorry to flame but this really pisses me off)

edit:

Also do people seriously expect to get rezed by PM spamming "REZ ME!"??

 

[Treniel-]

I almost never see FC peops in other groups than guildgroups, but Heck they never join a group and leave after 5 misn to join guildgrp. of my knowing anyway

because 9/10 if u grp with random people in alb they have no clue whats so ever what they are doing...its like playing with a bunch of lvl 1s, fact of the matter these days is that being 50 isn't the same as it was in the golden days when there was only a few...not 200 online, and if we do leave a group we mention it we arn't THAT insensitive

 

[bf_kate]

I think Adralend was not accusing FC of leaving groups... read again

I've never had a FC member leave without words. In fact, they don't ever leave once you join them. Strondor died about 45 times in our group the other night, but he stuck with us

The last time I had anyone leave without word it was because we were only 4 in the group. He dropped out without a word and when asked actually said to me sorry, I wasn't getting enough realm points!Well next port some guildies came along and we had a great day. The idiot was asking for groups in the cg the whole time. I haven't asked him again.

The issue of people leaving groups without saying and of RvR guild's effect on the realm are two different things I think. It pretty much sucks for the smaller guilds, but maybe it is good for the realm...

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Not saying thanks after a rez is rude
Altough after rezzers start getting rp's for them, it will be less rude
Now, when does stupid Mythic start giving rp's for mezzes, so I can farm a bit with my sorc... Or debuffs for that matter.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Wuren]

Originally posted by JoxerTheMighty
Let the flaming begin..................

I dont see where u are going with this tbh, the game is built around 1 thing, RvR. I hate the xp'ing part and will never reroll an alt (And no i dont belive it can be turned into PvP either). The reason we created our guild was to gather the best RvR players under the same tag and kick some serious but. So maybe you are playing the wrong game afterall, Im having tons of fun with my guild and would never leave it or want it any other way.

Leaving a group without a word, sure thats is inpolite.

I belive this is the first of many to come flame posts about RvR guilds.

 

[kameh]

Miniwuren...

come on it has to happen eventually

 

[sorusi]

With guildies you know what to expect out of battles

And guildies are all your friends, wich makes RvR with them even more enjoyable

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

i try to leave my guild groups to leech off others!

ahem

and i guess fc was mentioned as they have lots of 50s so prolly arent that often seen xping at trees these days

tho you never know, they might get all misty eyed one day and go to reminise

kinda doubt it tho ;E

 

[old.Nol]

Last night I rez a fella, and get killed by infil, the guy I rezzed runs away, doesn't say thank you. Later on, I cure mezz on another guy, get killed by an infil again, his group comes back picks him up and leaves me dead. It really pissed me off, to the point that I don't know if I will rezz anyone from that guild again, which will be a first.

There are many people who could learn a thing or too about common decency or courtesy. WTF is an RVR guild anyway, why is it different to a normal guild? Are normal guilds forbidden from RVR?

 

[Wuren]

Originally posted by old.Nol
WTF is an RVR guild anyway, why is it different to a normal guild? Are normal guilds forbidden from RVR?

Erm,

probably a guild who focus on RvR and does not have alts/xping.

 

[quinthar]

The biggest problem I have had is a certain mincer vrbb or summat liek that, he joined a grp of 6 lvl50's coupla wizzies, 2-3 tanks, friar instead of cleric...

10 secs in he says "Bad group" and promtly fucked off.

lol from now on I wont piss on him if I see him on fire.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Wuren


Erm,

probably a guild who focus on RvR and does not have alts/xping.

ok, so a normal guild does not focus on RvR?

 

[Wuren]

Originally posted by old.Nol


ok, so a normal guild does not focus on RvR?

Not as I see it, when having ppl from lvl 1-50 and xping alts you are no way near having a guild that 99 % consists of lvl 50 active rvr players. From what I can tell its only 3 "RvR guilds" in hib atm: Llaw, VGN and Black Dragon.

 

[old.Zarko]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Well, there are several people I know of in Albion.
People that leave to "better" groups, cause they feel they are not getting enough rp's for example.
People that drop from a group without saying anything. I usually do a /send did you ld? Normally they suddenly have to join a guild group or so...
I fail to understand those people, cause you have to treat people with some curtesy. People who never did so, I dislike intensily.
Yes, the only person who I have caught doing so time and time again would C****d, but she is just sad really.
On the other hand, if someone goes to join a mate of his, or a guild group, that is no problem really. This game is played for fun mostly, so you should try to maximise your own fun without bothering others.
Regards, Glottis

WHY?? they will be in same zerg! Or is there a big difference between the amg and the mmg zerg??

 

[old.Wildfire]

Aside from the fact that even gorge trips have to go through AMG?

 

[Amadon]

Re: Re: sick of RvR guilds

Originally posted by Wuren


I dont see where u are going with this tbh, the game is built around 1 thing, RvR. I hate the xp'ing part and will never reroll an alt (And no i dont belive it can be turned into PvP either). The reason we created our guild was to gather the best RvR players under the same tag and kick some serious but. So maybe you are playing the wrong game afterall, Im having tons of fun with my guild and would never leave it or want it any other way.

Leaving a group without a word, sure thats is inpolite.

I belive this is the first of many to come flame posts about RvR guilds.

Maybe I'm illiterate but I could've sworn RvR = Realm vs Realm and not Guild vs Guild or RPs vs RPs

The problem as I see it with RvR guilds is that they appear to be elitist and give the impression of not giving a damn about anyone else if RPs are not involved. This fragments the realm, prevents the inexperienced players from learning from the experienced ones, and leads to the mindless zerging we have now (oh.. and also leads to the excessive rp-horniness of oh-so-many-players out there).

If some of these more prominent "RvR" guilds were to show some leadership and promote some actual REALM vs REALM play (when was the last time Hib went on a relic raid btw?) I suspect the game might be alot more enjoyable for many people.

 

[Eleasias]

Re: Re: Re: sick of RvR guilds

I'd be crying too if I saw people doing organized (guild) RvR and couldnt be part of it T_T

Originally posted by Schizoid


(when was the last time Hib went on a relic raid btw?)

Last weekend? (totally failed but still)

 

[Tigerius]

I think Schizoid is pretty spot on here. Of course there will be guilds who want to focus on RvRing and building a nice team together, I like that idea myself and support it (don't always support the means of recruiting though). It's however what you see them DO with these well-built RvR groups that leaves some questions to be asked.

They play RPvRP not RvR, putting it short nothing happens unless there is a direct RP gain involved in it. No keep takes/retakes, no defending of own frontier, no relic raiding, no DF warfare. They fight only where they gain the most RP for the moment, not for any sort of realm gain. Truly these should be the things a full bred RvR guild should be doing?

/salute CE.