sick of RvR guilds

[bf_kate]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
Relics were recently described to me as DAoC's "flags" for capturing. I agree that there is an amount of honour and dignity that is associated with holding relics, but at times struggle to feel really strongly about taking a single alb power relic back (as is likely to happen, rather than being able to take all three), as there is no bonus in it for albion, and it will only lead to a frustrating non-defence of Myrrdin when the hibs decide they want it back again.

Errr isn't a 10% reduction in hib nukes enough bonus?

And sure, if you want alot of RvR, then maybe an RvR guild is for you. But then again, several Albion guilds who are in the top (and in fact the top two week after week) aren't RvR guilds. That doesn't mean to say they aren't good at RvR, just that isn't all they do. You can have your cake and eat it too you know You can be in a normal guild and have good RvR. I just think it's sad for the little guilds trying to make something of themselves. I'd rather see people stick with their guilds and try to make something of them than leave when they hit 50, but that is just my opinion. People will pay their money and play how they want. I'm just glad there are some people who stick it out with smaller guilds. Diversity is good I think.

 

[Tigerius]

As I told you in that very conversation though, I disagree with the notion that RP = RvR, that getting the highest "frag count" is what matters, quite on the opposite as in any CTF match it's the other objectives that (should) count. Doesn't matter how many lives you pay for the "flag". You've played long enough to know that it should matter jack all who ends up highest and lowest on the kill list, it's a team effort.

 

[old.Wildfire]

As I neglected to mention, it's difficult to justify an interest in taking the relics (in place of flags) as there is no final score, there is no time limit, and there is no scoreboard. The only objectives people can have in RvR are realm point targets as a measure of success and impact.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Son
About people leaving for 'Guild groups' If any of CF ever do it to you let me know and ill get Tdaer to spank them, I hate it when it happens to me too.

Sounds like fun... <makes note to jump to 'guild groups' a lot>

 

[Novamir]

imo it's useful that CF has gone to semi-active on the rvr front, we get to see who is loyal to the guild, and who just wants the best RP earning group.

 

[Wurenz]

Re: Re: Re: sick of RvR guilds

Originally posted by old.DachraK
MWHOAHAHAHAHA @ built around 1 thing RvR and best RvR players under the same tag.....

You saying after u hit 50 it's not about RvR?

And pls tell me what you think is funny about trying get the best players in our guild?

_____________
Some rank
Some server

 

[old.Wildfire]

LA clearly aren't elitist cos they didnt try and recruit me while playing Jaede which of course any guild claiming to be 1337 would have done instantly

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Novamir
imo it's useful that CF has gone to semi-active on the rvr front, we get to see who is loyal to the guild, and who just wants the best RP earning group.

or people get bored cause there's no guild action?

 

[old.Nol]

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I don't care, if you want to call yourselves rvr guilds, or even amg specialist rvr guilds for that matter. What does matter, is the people who are so eager to get RP's that they trample every obstacle in their way. People that won't take a keep back because they want RP's, or run past a dead realm mate to chase a solo stealther.

I am quite sick of the fact that I am not good enough for leet groups, but I am good enough to ask for rezzes, buffs or heals - maybe even ferry to crim. The R's in RvR stand for realm, i.e. putting it first, before RP count, as long as you are doing that, I don't care what guild you are in.

 

[JoxerTheMighty]

Originally posted by Tyka
I understand you Joxer but why would only people in rvr guilds have this attitude? this could be aimed to anyone who leave a group for another one, wich imo does not have to do with rvr guilds.

Yes, you are right there. Unfortunately lots of people have these attitude but as I said: In all cases mentioned above, it were because these persons wanted to join their RvR-guild(mates). I am not saying that these players are better or worse (in character) than those of non-RvR-guilds but tbh I encountered some kind of elitism-attitude among a few of them.

Originally posted by Tyka

And btw, there are no such thing as rvr guilds, there are different guilds and each guild have their way of having fun in the game.

For example Vengeance, when i do different things in game there are a few people i would ask to come with me before anyone else, and those people are in my guild, they know what they are doing, they know where they have me, i know where i have them, we all know how to act in each different situation. And that could be pve raids, rvr, cash farming or whatever.

Guilds are about friends that share same view of the game

From what I read in these thread so far, I think we can safely say that something like RvR-guilds DO exist. From what you said, I won't say that Vengeance is a pure RvRguild. As you mentioned, you still do lots of other stuff beside RvR.

And about your last sentence: I could not agree more.

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by bf_kate


Errr isn't a 10% reduction in hib nukes enough bonus?

And sure, if you want alot of RvR, then maybe an RvR guild is for you. But then again, several Albion guilds who are in the top (and in fact the top two week after week) aren't RvR guilds. That doesn't mean to say they aren't good at RvR, just that isn't all they do. You can have your cake and eat it too you know You can be in a normal guild and have good RvR. I just think it's sad for the little guilds trying to make something of themselves. I'd rather see people stick with their guilds and try to make something of them than leave when they hit 50, but that is just my opinion. People will pay their money and play how they want. I'm just glad there are some people who stick it out with smaller guilds. Diversity is good I think.

In the whole time Soul Reavers has been a guild (since i first started the game aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggges ago) there have only been 2 main people who have left the guild for another. Both hurt deeply for me (as it would to any gm i guess) but only 2 is a damn good score i think. And i appreciate the people who have stuck with us as we now have a solid grp of lvl 50's who lvled together and now are going to rvr together. The other day as a fg of us headed out of dl someone shouted "omg, soul reavers is an rvr guild now?" I replied Perhaps we are but all home grown stock. I don't care what anyone else says but i think this is the way to go. Perhaps i don't earn as many rps in a guild rvr grp as i do in a good mixed guild rvr group but i have a lot more fun in the guild group that i do in the mixed group. And playing a game is about fun...isn't it?

 

[old.Zarko]

Originally posted by lofff
tbh i disagree both parts on the thread... sum ppl here is using too big words overstimating themselves... others are overdoing and overflaming... but wtheck, i dont care.

/backs off leaving the thread.

 

[sharon_corr]

Mixed groups are pretty fun when they work out. Still, the best rp/xp and most fun I personally get from guild groups. Be it Na Fianna or The Kindred its always comforting to be among your own fine(*). I guess you get a bonus for grping with guildmates

And Jox, do not be offended. There will always be ppl lacking a minimum of common sense. Just invite me in your grp and eeeveryithing will be fiiiine


//Shaz

(*) The fine was the smallest unit recognized in Celtic society. In modern Western terms we might consider it a close extended family.

 

[old.Wildfire]

...ooooookay then

 

[Rhymes]

Well firstly this thread has split into a few different discussions.

1)Poeple leaving without saying to join guild groups

People are entilted to leave but at least do it after your run to emain. Dont get to crim and then say sorry guys gotta go and then drop from the group. My time in game is limited now apart from day time. Usually I only get on for an hour or two at nights recently but I refuse to drop from the group without saying so. Sometimes I have to listen to a nagging wife really giving it to me in the ear and still stay for the good of the group for another 10-15mins which causes more rows than enough. Some people dont always know when they have to leave the game but at least they have a fair idea when their guild is gonna form a group and so they can give a warning and drop from the group after the current run saying something like 'last run for me folks'.

2) On the RvR Guild groups.

I dont really have a problem with them as a guild, I have come across a few members of some of hibs "top" RvR guilds and their attitude towards other people in their group stinks tbh. Likewise some of their members are very nice and very helpful with advice. As we have always said on these boards don't always judge the guild by one or two players.
However on another note I have noticed some Uber/Elitist call it what you want behaviour from some of these groups where they refuse to take part in chat groups/keep retakes/rezzes with other mixed guild RvR groups. However when it comes to your death message appearing on the screen they seem very interested in your whereabouts and how many invaders there are. Then they steamroll over your corpse and kill the invaders only to run by and let another mixed guild group rez you. I think this is what can sometimes piss people of.
This is not an attack on any of those guilds and is why I have not mentioned them as I do not in any way think this is their typical guild member. Where there is good there is bad also.

What I would like to see is these "experienced" RvRers lead the way, help organise keep takes/relic attacks and perhaps they may be more respected and peoples attitudes towards them may change. Join hib chatgroups and help people, show them round, help them combat invading mids/albs.

I think if these guilds did more of the above Hibernia would get stronger as a whole.

3) People who leave ther own guild at 50 to join "RvR Guilds"

Well this to me is pure bollocks, unless they have a disagreement with someone in the guild and it cant be sorted. Usually you will know the direction of your guild and the players in it by the late 20s early 30s, why wait to 50 to leave, do your guild a favour and leave at 30 if the guild does not seem to be taking the direction you want to take. Don't join a guild have them level you and go.
Now I realise in the past there were not always RvR guilds around but there are no excuses anymore.

I also believe that there is plenty of fun to be had in mixed guild RvR groups too. I know I had one of my best runs in emain the other day and I dont think there were two people from the same guild. We spent about 4 hours in emain with only one release. We helped others round us and not one person made smart assed comments to another group member. We were a good organised group but no one took it really seriously, tbh we really couldnt believe our run was going so long, we also started with someone from one of the so called uber/elite guilds in hib and no attitude from him and tbh I dont really think I have had a bad attitude from him even when i have been in his group and made a mistake myself. This is how it should be. Just play the game have fun and try not to piss people off and hopefully they will return the favour, take our aggression out on the other realm and not our own realm mates.

Ok, bloody hell that was long. Think theres something above for everyone.

 

[old.Pempula]

Originally posted by Rhymes
...We helped others round us and not one person made smart assed comments to another group member. ...

What's the point of going to emain with a group if you can't make any smart assed comments ? That's what it's all about .
A mixed group is always better for this, since there is always someone there that may take you seriously, guild hardly ever bothers.

 

[elerand]

RvR guilds have a purpose and that's to cater for those who take great pleasure in fighting albs/mids/hibs everyday they can play.

Most other guilds form a solid base for everyone else in the realm, guild hunts, powerleveling, drop camping and easy going friendship with basic good rules on conduct.

Have to say it has annoyed me recently how some low lvl people seem to view lvl 50 players, as though we were only there to help them xp and give stuff and that's an illusion I like to dispel.

Can't see any guild having any of the things I just mentioned as an obligation for lvl 50 chars, after all when I log in I'm sometimes just happy to sit and chat for an hour

Have to say that those who think RvR guilds are constructed to be elitist and piss people off need to wake up.

If you are offended my someones high and mighty, snotty attitude then blame the individual, not the guild, since there are as many arrogant lowbies as high lvl chars, sounds like human nature to me

Oh and if no one likes the rules of a guild already formed then make your own, it's not easy to get it just how you like it but it's worth a try.

 

[Treniel-]

http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?postid=539634#post539634

replace quotes from that post with ones in this one and you get the general idea..not typing out another post to defend FC when i just done a huge one at 4am sigh