sick of RvR guilds

[old.Nol]

Re: Re: Re: Re: sick of RvR guilds

Originally posted by Eleasias
I'd be crying too if I saw people doing organized (guild) RvR and couldnt be part of it T_T

You probably would mate, but then again, some of us aren't trying to be korean

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Wuren


Not as I see it, when having ppl from lvl 1-50 and xping alts you are no way near having a guild that 99 % consists of lvl 50 active rvr players. From what I can tell its only 3 "RvR guilds" in hib atm: Llaw, VGN and Black Dragon.

Sad part of it is us non-RvR guilds get the people to 50, so that they can join up with the RvR guilds, as opposed to helping the people who got them to level 50.

 

[Amadon]

Re: Re: Re: Re: sick of RvR guilds

Originally posted by Eleasias
I'd be crying too if I saw people doing organized (guild) RvR and couldnt be part of it T_T

crying?
uh... hubris

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by old.Nol


Sad part of it is us non-RvR guilds get the people to 50, so that they can join up with the RvR guilds, as opposed to helping the people who got them to level 50.

Yes, but lets not blame the guild for this. If someone gets levelled in your guild, given a lot of help by you and others in guild on the way. Then gets help with epic etc. Then after getting to 50 leaves to join an rvr guild then i know who i will be thinking less off. Not the rvr guild that's for sure.
Basically the sort of people who do this are users. They use your guild to help them level. Then once they no longer have to level they use the rvr guild to get them rps. Fair enough it's a game but some people don't seem to realise that there are real people involved. Think of this, if you gave up a load of your spare time (where you could have been rvring and having a lot more fun) to help someone else level and get their epic done only to have them turn around and leave once they no longer need any help off of you, well, would annoy you slightly eh?

 

[Wuren]

Quote me to death if u want to, I play the game like I find it most fun to do: kill albs and mids. I don't enjoy xping, but maybe you do. I don't enjoy releasing every 5 min either. Taking it from there to creating a guild who focus only on RvR isnt very far.

 

[old.lewstherin]

Wuren dunno bout you... but Imo CF is as good rvr as ur guild. When we get out to play that is.

 

[Cloak_]

As a member of BD id like to make some input,,

I cant say ive left a RvR grp w/o saying why OR because getting wipeout every min into emain forces grp splits.

I can also say Ive never made as many RP as I have while in BD grps.


Do ppl want me to join a grp and tell them what I *expect* from them? Cause not, they`d be well pissed just like I would if that happened to me.


Being in a grp with ppl who know each others play styles is great,, I die less, we get more kills (sod the RP count I just wanna kill em all )

I think its good that Hib have strong RvR guilds defending our frontiers.

 

[festima]

RVR > ALL

I have leveled 2 characters to 50, and now I have rejoined the world of the employed (after 9 months of being ill) I don't have the best items in the game, I never will, but I put a lot of time into helping ppl. I don't owe anyone for helping me xp to 50, cos my presence in the xp group was helping the other 7 ppl. I never got pl'd and never asked for it.

I play for RVR, nothing else in the game does anything for me anymore, and doing it with a full group of your friends wearing the same kit is something else, we are not pharmers, we just play better.

I can take 1fg LA up against 2fg's albs and win almost every time, I don't feel guilty about it in the slightest, cos my guild members have all put the time in to become the best on the server.

Anyway getting tired of ppl bitching at my guild, it's unjustified and unfair, we play the game just like u all do, and we play it in emain, sauvage, uppland wherever, wheras u all play it with parth's.

Ah well, there is not much challenge for us in emain atm, I never thought I would say it, but COME BACK NOLBY!

 

[festima]

Originally posted by old.lewstherin
Wuren dunno bout you... but Imo CF is as good rvr as ur guild. When we get out to play that is.

lews I know you guys are good at RvR, but you can't call yourself an RvR guild, when you guys came out at the last relic raid (before saturday) you owned the albs, but instead most of the mains are inactive

Right now /who celtic shows 18 ppl, and /who celtic 50 is 8, 2 of which were not in rvr.

CF despite being the first RvR guild on hib, is no longer an RvR guild.

 

[old.lewstherin]

true festima...but we will rise once again =)

 

[old.Charonel]

Originally posted by festima
CF despite being the first RvR guild on hib, is no longer an RvR guild.

that's because all their lvl 50's have been poached by LA and Vengeance (j/k)

 

[llixeraxu]

Re: Re: sick of RvR guilds

Originally posted by Wuren- Llaw Arian


Im having tons of fun

I think this says alot about these kinds of players, as long as they having fun..


Im glad you pointed this out Joxer. It is the reason i have not joind another guild. As even the biggest ones arnt willing to kick out the grief players...

 

[Son]

Originally posted by festima


CF despite being the first RvR guild on hib, is no longer an RvR guild.

CF never has and never will be a so called 'RvR Guild' We have always had people of all levels and lots of alts, thats the way most of em like it and who are we to tell them that its wrong.

I dont see anything wrong with playing purely for RvR, if running to emain every 15 minutes is your cup of tea then thats up to you. Personally I would rather see more of our own realm, visit different dungeons and try to kill dragon, rather than RvR 24/7.

About people leaving for 'Guild groups' If any of CF ever do it to you let me know and ill get Tdaer to spank them, I hate it when it happens to me too.

 

[lofff]

tbh i disagree both parts on the thread... sum ppl here is using too big words overstimating themselves... others are overdoing and overflaming... but wtheck, i dont care.

/backs off leaving the thread.

 

[Wuren]

Re: Re: Re: sick of RvR guilds

Originally posted by llixeraxu
I think this says alot about these kinds of players, as long as they having fun..

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Well I dont know about you, but hell yes, I play DAoC to have fun.

 

[Brimwolf / Red]

I agree with fest Rvr > All..

Ive been playing this game since beta..and in hib all the way.. I cant say theres nothing more boring then exping..Sure as sonny says, Killing Dragon etc is fun..but rvr with a "good" guild is a lot more fun.

I left CF for many diffrent reasons..there no doubt i had alot of "Problems" with some of the old members (Nova etc) .. And also some of my closest friends ingame stopped playing or switched guild.

So when i started to look for a new guild i wanted to join a guild that was fun but also active in rvr.. I joined VGN mostly cuz tze was there..
And i must say .. The time ive been in vgn is the most fun ive had in Daoc for ALONG time.. Theres nothing more fun atm then to play in a group that can actually accomplish something in rvr..And to go out in rvr and dont have to worry about the druid/bard leaving group just cuz it didnt go the way they wanted it to (Like dying ).
When we go out as a guild group its almost everytime assured that well stay on and rvr for a good while.
And the best thing is that everyone in the guild at most times can find a spot in guild group aswell..

Rvr is 90% of Daoc atm imo. Ra´s etc make the char alot better then without.. i see nothing wrong with rvr guilds..its for the good of the realm and its for the good of the ppl playing in it..
If ppl doesnt want to rvr that much .. Fine... im not gonna badmouth them.. But dont say that rvr guilds suck .

But the thread was about ppl leaving groups without saying and going to guild grps..Yes that sucks..i often leave grp and go to guild groups but most times i tell the grp why im leaving..
Ppl saying rvr guilds suck in whole is either jellous OR they should try playing in one first...

 

[<Harle>]

Originally posted by festima


CF despite being the first RvR guild on hib, is no longer an RvR guild.

If you want to make a big jump you have to take a step back first

Besides that I personally have no problem at all with those so called RvR-guilds (I actually enjoy it whenever they got a spot for my little bubblebabe), i would just wish they would do a bit more for the realm, like keep-retakes or relic-raids ( yes, those little things can be captured), so they actually can be called RvR-guilds and not RP-guilds.

 

[llixeraxu]

Re: Re: Re: Re: sick of RvR guilds

Originally posted by Wuren


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Well I dont know about you, but hell yes, I play DAoC to have fun.

Missing the point buddy.

 

[Tank Init]

the reason i think why people hate/dislike rvr guilds is coz of their attitude, i can look at a few postings in this thread and its there .

 

[Surgeon-Elite]

All i can say on this issue is anyone who leaves a grp without saying a word whether it is xp grp or rvr grp should be blacklisted... there are far too many twats who think its ok to just leave.. specially when it was them who normally fucked up and got u killed.

too many times nice rvr grps break down bcos of this and u wont belive the amount of times.. once there is only me (skald) and 1-2 other ppl left.. that they will leave grp and yell lfg for 20 mins at mmg/amg then msg me afterwards and ask if they can rejoin....
All i can say is "HO HO HO! You think i am a fucking taxi?!" wankers like that get on my ignore.

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Brimwolf / Red
i see nothing wrong with rvr guilds..its for the good of the realm and its for the good of the ppl playing in it..

lol.. for the good of the realm?

it's for their short term enjoyment, the good of the realm accounts for probably under 5% of their motivation (granted there are exceptions, but my general impression is as above)

 

[old.Pempula]

Originally posted by Surgeon-Elite
All i can say on this issue is anyone who leaves a grp without saying a word whether it is xp grp or rvr grp should be blacklisted... there are far too many twats who think its ok to just leave.. specially when it was them who normally fucked up and got u killed.

Leaving a group?
How about leaving a guild?

I hate 'guild jumping' in generaluke:. I for one do not think that 'the grass is greener' somewhere else, just choose wisely and you can actually have an impact in the guild (be it changing it towards legion raiding or RvR).
However, I don't want to tell anyone in my guild, how they should have their fun in the game: if it is alt leveling, cash farming, crafting, RvR, raid organization, silly events, it ALL still benefits the guild in the end (if they don't 'jump the guild', I wish noone does). E.g. a pure RvR guild may really have some problems with crafters and siege equipment.

Some people actually left CF after they noticed that guilds like Vengeance, Llaw Arian, etc. are catching up with us (and soon probably passing us) in RPs. I don't hate those people for it, I just think it is plain silly then to join those 'catch-up guilds' and make over 200k RPs in them a week. It is really a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[festima]

hrmm short summary of the things we DO do:

res dead ppl: yes (when mana is permitting and we are awake we don't leave a group or solo person unressed)
take keeps: yes (it's in our benefit to do so, we can claim and get rp bonus (that's why the keeps are there btw))
relic raids: yes (my guild attended last relic raid, but unfortunately I had to work next day, I love relic raids btw)
legion/dragon raids: no (this is down to the individual that wants to attend, we are an RvR guild, not a raid guild.)
rvr in other realms: yes (tho with the bind at tk's it's a HUGE nerf to porting alb or mid, when u get zerged by ressick ppl)
recruit n00bs: no (LA is pretty much full now, we are large enough to make 2fg's and that's all we want, We have restricted admission to lvl 50, RR5 only with active status in game. If you want to join us you get 1-2 week trial and are expected to make 100k rp's in one week. These may seem a) elitist or b) harsh, but tbh we have enough, we don't want more ppl, we don't poach ppl from big guilds, they come to us, they ask me 'what are your joining rules' etc. It's fun to joke with ppl trying to goad them into joining, but at the end, we don't force anyone, if we invited u, there is a fair chance you will get at least a trial.)
problem members: no (we will either have heard of your reputation, and refused you trial, or if it comes to our attention later, step may be taken to ask you to leave, we are currently reviewing 2 of our members, that we have recieved complaints about, and may be taking action soon.)

Sorry for ranting on, but it's early, not really thinking right atm (been v ill for last week).

 

[Adralend]

Hmm someone should take the time to read my post. Never wanted to attack FC (as my post says... Yes it does ).

And as for a little comment.


This is a normal RvR day for me.

Me and a friend or two start up at Atk (I dont go alone as it's impossible for me to get a group) we form a small group usually lvl 40-45 then we get 1-2 lvl 50 chars in the group. after looking at the grp, they either say "Oopz Wrong group" or "Ooh I have to join GuildGroup" and leave. Then I will see them running around in a mixed Grp 10 min. later.. this really makes me sick.. if u think that the group is to low, then say so. Not like I am gonna cry about peops leaving.

Once again this has nothing to do with FC. This is my normal Xperience of RvR.

Ps1. I almost forgot.. there is still alot of great guys out there ressing and taking care of us lowbies *Caugh* Hello mallan *Caugh*

Ps2. Dont Strondor always die..?? always see him storming around. lol

 

[kameh]

Hmm never understood why people take guild jumping so seriously, I'm in Dark Order and really enjoying myself, it's a nice group of people but if things die down or I find myself hating to chat to them in guild chat I'll probably jump guild or more likely leave to be on my own again.

I pay to play the game and I'll play it how I want. I dont hold grudges, I rez people I cant stand to talk to or even stand the sight off. I rez people who wont rez me, why? cos I want to.

RvR guilds get a lot of stick for no real reason, they're dedicated to having fun. I dont care if they're farming rps, they rez me when I need it (quite often usually) and whilst they're out in emain or where ever they're helping to protect the realm. I dont think I'd want to be in a RvR only guild, I actually enjoy XPing at times but there's no way I'll condemn them for having fun and protecting my sorry little arse when I want to XP in the frontier

 

[Tyka]

I understand you Joxer but why would only people in rvr guilds have this attitude? this could be aimed to anyone who leave a group for another one, wich imo does not have to do with rvr guilds.

And btw, there are no such thing as rvr guilds, there are different guilds and each guild have their way of having fun in the game.

For example Vengeance, when i do different things in game there are a few people i would ask to come with me before anyone else, and those people are in my guild, they know what they are doing, they know where they have me, i know where i have them, we all know how to act in each different situation. And that could be pve raids, rvr, cash farming or whatever.

Guilds are about friends that share same view of the game.

 

[Adralend]

Agreed Tyka. Guild are about friendship and fun. And even thou that our guild have only a few member's we understand to be killed in the most bizzare ways of the game. This will including jumping of mmg while fighting with a celt so we both crate and die


But hey guild's should do as they want, but they should say something when they leave

 

[old.Laryssa]

Someone said it before - I feel sorry for the guild mates who left behind in the non rvr guilds who face now a not so happy fate.

What happened - one player stayed from lvl 1 - 50 in the guild, got items, xp and some love. After a while (s)he hits 50 and suddenly (s)he leaves her/his guild to join a rvr guild since no xping is needed anymore.

So the guild was used to act as springboard and this is not right imho.

this is no flame on rvr guilds - It's just about loyality.

I was invited by Tyka to enjoy an evening with vegeance in emain
and I enjoyed evey second of it - ty vengeance - but still i have
some work in BoH to attend.

 

[old.DachraK]

Re: Re: sick of RvR guilds

Originally posted by Wuren


I dont see where u are going with this tbh, the game is built around 1 thing, RvR. I hate the xp'ing part and will never reroll an alt (And no i dont belive it can be turned into PvP either). The reason we created our guild was to gather the best RvR players under the same tag and kick some serious but. So maybe you are playing the wrong game afterall, Im having tons of fun with my guild and would never leave it or want it any other way.

Leaving a group without a word, sure thats is inpolite.

I belive this is the first of many to come flame posts about RvR guilds.

MWHOAHAHAHAHA @ built around 1 thing RvR and best RvR players under the same tag.....

 

[old.Wildfire]

In other RPGs I may be inclined to opt for other activities, but after trying just-about everything available (crafting, power-levelling, levelling alts), I am as certain as ever that DAoC is to RPGs what Quake is to Myst.

The end-game is, undeniably, RvR (there will always be those that argue that this isn't true, but they are a very small minority of people going off and "doing their own thing"). Unsurprisingly, guilds have formed specifically to play this end-game, as in any other game. In FPS circles there are clans who take the game seriously, and clans that do not. Unfortunately for DAoC at the moment, the guilds that do not are claiming the moral high ground on the basis that DAoC is a "role-playing game".

The objectives in RvR are fairly simple. The main objective is, sorry to say it role-players and "lites", to earn realm points. Relics exist solely to give benefeits to the realm that can control them. Keeps exist both to facilitate interesting (attack/defence) play, and to allow invasions for relic raids to have some kind of relevance to the background of the game by sieging and capturing "outposts" on the way.

Relics were recently described to me as DAoC's "flags" for capturing. I agree that there is an amount of honour and dignity that is associated with holding relics, but at times struggle to feel really strongly about taking a single alb power relic back (as is likely to happen, rather than being able to take all three), as there is no bonus in it for albion, and it will only lead to a frustrating non-defence of Myrrdin when the hibs decide they want it back again.

While I may not agree with the "serious" attitude of some guilds (read: NP LA FC) I do get annoyed at times by players who seem to have no interest in playing their character for the benefeit of "the team", but rather prefer to "role-play" a different spec or style of play that really only makes things more difficult with regards to creating a balanced group.

In summary: If you want to RvR a lot, and properly, you're probably best off in one of the more active RvR guilds around (check nolbypride.com and look at the top 25 last-week gainers for your realm, the top 5-10 should be the most useful of these). If not, don't complain about those that are. Please.