Should we...

[vintervargen]

i dont achieve anything, im just saying you wouldnt "own" half as much if you didnt have overpowered savages.

 

[Rulke-RM]

And hibs wouldnt "own" so much if they used mentalists as main healers instead of druids...or albs using theurgs for main CC instead of sorcs.

Who are you angry with here?
Mids for playing savages?
Other mids for grouping them?
Mythic for creating the class?

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by vintervargen
i dont achieve anything, im just saying you wouldnt "own" half as much if you didnt have overpowered savages.

much like hibby with chanters, which have always been overpowered well before determination when hibernia was top dog, i didnt see many hibs coming to the boards whining about chanters

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by Rollie
much like hibby with chanters, which have always been overpowered well before determination when hibernia was top dog, i didnt see many hibs coming to the boards whining about chanters

But a chanter is a caster, and casters are pretty much f*cked these patches.

 

[the_fnord]

Originally posted by Rulke-RM
So please, if you can't just enjoy playing a game, go and join the retards on VNboards

What Rulke said!

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Belomar
But a chanter is a caster, and casters are pretty much f*cked these patches.

same as tanks were pre determination when chanters ruled the roost, which explains my point cleary, that 1.51 till the introduction of determination+end regen to middy, hibernia was by far the strongest realm, they had chanters who were the most overpowered class in the game at that time. I remember many whine threads from mid/albs regarding chanters, all they needed to do was debuff>stun>nuke tanks.

Yet during this time i never saw one hibby post a thread regarding how unfair chanters were, but funny enough after 1.51 every man and his dog rolled chanters, hibby used to run in chanter pbaoe groups, much like mids run before in zerker and now in savage groups. If an albion class becomes extremely overpowered the same will happen in albion.

These kinda threads are just the same whines with a different class name inserted to whine about.

 

[vintervargen]

i played a rm and healer when hib had its glory, before sc and ra's... but imho, savages are 10x worse compared to chanters.

 

[brommix]

Only difference is that Albs have NEVER had an overpowered char for open warfare so untill then good riddance to you mid hypocrits , I allways agreed that the necro were overpowered in keep defenses but i didnt agree that they were cheating. But the same mids who whined about the necroes dont mind using savages these days, just goes to show how far their "objective" view of the game takes them
And yes if we hear about mid savage good groups we dont mind atleast in our guild to make 2 or 3 groups to wtfownthemintothenextmillenium, they have had it coming and I enjoy so much to see the mid realm suffer from their own success.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by brommix
so untill then good riddance to you mid hypocrits , I allways agreed that the necro were overpowered in keep defenses but i didnt agree that they were cheating.

 

[PJS]

Originally posted by Rulke-RM
So please, if you can't just enjoy playing a game, go and join the retards on VNboards [/B]

So if its just a game why do you need to run a savage heavy group with ungrped buffbots also. Cant you have fun playing classes you enjoy together rather than a "perfect4tehwin" setup.
Or is it because you want to win at any cost to have your fun (because losing isnt really fun is it) at the expense of hibs and albs, who should just suck it up and enjoy losing to you 'exploiting' a class Mythic made when the crack pipe was going round.

 

[Silenzio]

yest night in emain were roaming some different setup mid group

for once good fun ... lil change... n think they worked pretty good

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by PJS
with ungrped buffbots also

Originally posted by PJS
who should just suck it up and enjoy losing to you 'exploiting' a class Mythic made when the crack pipe was going round.

Archers at the start, chanters, zerks, shadowzerkers, Nerco's, Savages, infiltrators.

When each of these classes were/are "top dog" and "overpowered" MANY people of those realms rolled them.

As soon as a class becomes overpowered most people will roll one simple, your post is laughable at best, if the merc got some massively overpowered ability you could guarentee alb groups would be full of mercs+support and armsman/friars would have trouble finding groups, same as chanters post patch 1.51, every man and his dog had one, much like a zerk when deter+end regen came to middy and when necro's could exploit the LOS bug, so please before you speak realize that this will happen in all realms if a class becomes superior to others.

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by Rollie

I don't get this. PJS made a very viable point when he remarked on the hypocracy of Rulke and other members of the FotM groups and guilds pointing out that "this is just a game". Well, to some people, winning at all costs is the only way to "play", and the question is whether you are really regarding this as "just a game" when you do this. In no way did he say that this is not the way that Albs would work if we ever got an overpowered class.

Sure, laugh it all away, but that doesn't make it any less true.

P.S. Big respect to Jawz for running with his SM the last few nights instead of his RR10 warrior. :wub: Saw a few non-FotM Mid groups last night as well, was very refreshing. D.S.

 

[swords]

we are already in the OMG THRUST MERC 4TEHWIN phase of Albion. only trouble is due to our thinly spread group abilities we dont get anyt nerf Alb thread. only thing we get whined at about is the Emain zerg which has been here since forever

I play in a pretty standard alb tank group setup, 2 Clerics 1 sorc 1 minstrel 1 paladin 2 det tanks 1non det/det tank.

our GG is atm low RR maybe a few RR5-6 tanks but most of the support were freshly rolled a month or two ago and its been a slog and a half to get to RR3 in such a short time considering.

If our RA's are down (i only have BOF atm no purge, sorc only has purge atm :/) we have to play like gods to take down members of the opposing group let alone win.

No wonder the random pickups zerg in emain...

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Belomar
I don't get this. PJS made a very viable point when he remarked on the hypocracy of Rulke and other members of the FotM groups and guilds pointing out that "this is just a game". Well, to some people, winning at all costs is the only way to "play", and the question is whether you are really regarding this as "just a game" when you do this. In no way did he say that this is not the way that Albs would work if we ever got an overpowered class.

Sure, laugh it all away, but that doesn't make it any less true.

P.S. Big respect to Jawz for running with his SM the last few nights instead of his RR10 warrior. :wub: Saw a few non-FotM Mid groups last night as well, was very refreshing. D.S.

I think you mis-interpreted it.

If you look he whines about a guild group (JH) using buffbots, well tbh most guilds have at least 1 buffbot, i know SS has about 8 belo, thats what one of the smiles was for, the other was regarding the "exploiting" a overpowered class which i clearly describe below. Maybe should have set the post out better but i was on dinner break from uni and in a rush

as for running FoTM groups, there are very few options now at mtk, lets face it thanes dont bring anything to a group which mythic really needs to sort, there are few zerkers about, more warriors than zerks and ALOT of savages.

We all know that duel wielding classes are much better for rvr and if there is hardly any zerkers and lots of savages what you gonna choose? of course a savage, we run with a lv17 sm instead of a shammie the other night for a laugh and had fun, then we had a spanish RM who casted aoe DD on everything which kinda sucked, we also have a zerker or warrior in GG alot. As for casters, i rarely see alb groups now with more than 1 caster and hib groups dont usually have more than 2 nowadays so i think it seems to be similar in all realms.

 

[belth]

There propably wouldn't be any zerkers left if savages had PF

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by belth
There propably wouldn't be any zerkers left if savages had PF

I dont think so either unfortunately, some zerkers claim to do decent damage still, some say there damage is a complete joke, one of our guild zerkers logged the other night after hitting a druid for 100 damage, he was full spec/base buffed and using 16.5dps weps, our savage using 10.6dps claws(he sold his Tg one and was waiting on his crafted) out damaged him.

I dont know if this is accurate but from what ive heard troll zerkers with low quickness and extremely high str seem to do ok/well still, but norse and especially dwarf zerkers really struggle with damage output. Once again this is what zerkers have told me and is definately not gospel.

 

[belth]

Propably suffering from the damage variance bug(?) with the low hits - noticed a few times with my merc that I hit something for a measly 4 damage and the next hit does 100+ - this with 43+11 thrust at 46.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by belth
Propably suffering from the damage variance bug(?) with the low hits - noticed a few times with my merc that I hit something for a measly 4 damage and the next hit does 100+ - this with 43+11 thrust at 46.

well hes 50/50 + 11+rr so he shouldnt have any varience, also the druid scale is weak to slash which is what his weapons are and he was hitting the druid for 100 hp.

 

[acei]

Originally posted by NightyP
and how would a rr4 alb grp beat a rr4 savage grp? or a rr4 hib grp beat a rr4 savage grp?

Hibs can win PBAOE&MoC4tehwin