Question Should Prisoners get the vote?

[rynnor]

BBC NEWS | England | Lancashire | Child killer in legal bid to vote

Nice to see we are all funding his case

 

[Tom]

No, they can fuckoff.

 

[tris-]

if the human rights act allows them to vote, then i suppose they should be allowed to.

but from my own pov, i dont see why a prisoner needs to vote. theyre effectively living in another world that is ruled the same regardless of the govt.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Voting effects things outside many prisoners time in prison. For example how the government is run after they get out and so on.

Voting may effects the prisoners rights and such.

I say yes, they should be able to vote like any other.

 

[tris-]

then if that really is the case, only people who are getting out close to an election should be voting. if youre going to be in there for 10 years, you dont need a vote tomorrow.

 

[rynnor]

then if that really is the case, only people who are getting out close to an election should be voting. if youre going to be in there for 10 years, you dont need a vote tomorrow.

Difficult to predict though prior to a Parole hearing?

I dont think not giving them a vote breaches human rights else you could argue that children should be able to vote too.

 

[Scouse]

Not a directly related post here....

There are lots of news stories about how scumbags are using "human rights" to claim stupid things.

The result of this is an enourmous amount of the public want to do away with the human rights act.

I think this is stupid. As a law abiding citizen I still live in fear of my Government. I don't give a fuck if "human rights" lets the odd scumbag go free. I want the human rights act there to bail me out if they ever fuck me over.

Scumbags being twats doesn't change that opinion. And never will.

 

[tris-]

we shouldnt blame the scum bags for the law. if the law says a murderer has this or that right, that isnt his fault or his doing.

 

[chipper]

the whole idea behind prison is to remove you from society because you are deemed unfit to live in it.

with that said they shouldn't be allowed to vote. saying politics might change and they should be able to influence it is absurd. all a party has to do is say we are hoping to cut prison time and other such stuff to guarantee themselves around 100k votes at the next election.

 

[00dave]

perhaps low catgory prisons could allow voting, if the category system was used properly that is.

 

[tris-]

the whole idea behind prison is to remove you from society because you are deemed unfit to live in it.

with that said they shouldn't be allowed to vote. saying politics might change and they should be able to influence it is absurd. all a party has to do is say we are hoping to cut prison time and other such stuff to guarantee themselves around 100k votes at the next election.

and im sure the others tens of millions of voters would certainly not pick that party

 

[old.user4556]

No they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

 

[old.Tohtori]

the whole idea behind prison is to remove you from society because you are deemed unfit to live in it.

with that said they shouldn't be allowed to vote. saying politics might change and they should be able to influence it is absurd. all a party has to do is say we are hoping to cut prison time and other such stuff to guarantee themselves around 100k votes at the next election.

When you go to prison, you're taken out of the community because you broke the rules of that community, but if the community itself breaks basic rules about human rights, then the rules mean nothing.

Prison sentence is essentially you sitting in a hole, thinking about what you've done. How are you supposed to integrate prisoners back into the society after they are released, if you throw them in a hole and forget them completely after that?

For every prisoner vote for releasing all prisoners, you'd get an opposing votes against it.

And then the timeline;

Should prisoners be allowed to vote joining the EU? It effects a way longer time period then their sentence and if they can't vote, they are FORCED to live in either kind of country. Do you call that democracy?

 

[Embattle]

Nope.

 

[Tom]

When you go to prison, you're taken out of the community because you broke the rules of that community, but if the community itself breaks basic rules about human rights, then the rules mean nothing.

Prison sentence is essentially you sitting in a hole, thinking about what you've done. How are you supposed to integrate prisoners back into the society after they are released, if you throw them in a hole and forget them completely after that?

For every prisoner vote for releasing all prisoners, you'd get an opposing votes against it.

And then the timeline;

Should prisoners be allowed to vote joining the EU? It effects a way longer time period then their sentence and if they can't vote, they are FORCED to live in either kind of country. Do you call that democracy?

Educate them, train them to deal with their problems, take them away from the drugs they're abusing, and recognise their mental issues, yes. Give them the vote? Fuck no. Especially this bloke, who murdered a little girl.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Educate them, train them to deal with their problems, take them away from the drugs they're abusing, and recognise their mental issues, yes. Give them the vote? Fuck no. Especially this bloke, who murdered a little girl.

Ok, even if you're completely against it(for whatever reason)let's say prisoners are banned from voting.

What's next?

People with criminal records?
People who've had a run in with the law?
Speeding tickets?
People who live in "poor town"?

You see what i'm getting at here. Do you want to start limiting your rights?

 

[rynnor]

Ok, even if you're completely against it(for whatever reason)let's say prisoners are banned from voting.

What's next?

People with criminal records?
People who've had a run in with the law?
Speeding tickets?
People who live in "poor town"?

You see what i'm getting at here. Do you want to start limiting your rights?

Hmm - something you might like to know is that prisoners have never been allowed to vote in the UK in all the hundreds of years since we had the first Parliament in the world so its not a new law coming in - its a long existing law he's seeking to overturn.

 

[taB]

we had the first Parliament in the world.

I think the first parliament was in Iceland mate.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Hmm - something you might like to know is that prisoners have never been allowed to vote in the UK in all the hundreds of years since we had the first Parliament in the world so its not a new law coming in - its a long existing law he's seeking to overturn.

Ah, that's a misconception on my part.

Well, i still think they should get a vote if it effects their life outside prison.

Guess it's best not to argue that point further, unless someone ahs a better reason then "they is bad people" on it

 

[MYstIC G]

if the human rights act allows them to vote, then i suppose they should be allowed to.

but from my own pov, i dont see why a prisoner needs to vote. theyre effectively living in another world that is ruled the same regardless of the govt.

Human rights act should fuck off if it allows them to vote.

 

[rynnor]

I think the first parliament was in Iceland mate.

Why is it called 'The Mother of all Parliaments' then?

 

[Vae]

Why is it called 'The Mother of all Parliaments' then?

Mainly because it has been instrumentative in the foundation of so many other parliaments. In addition the three-tier system (Ceremonial Head of State, Elected lower chamber and small upper chamber) has been the model for a majority of other parliaments worldwide (so-called Westminster system).

While Iceland seems to have had the first parliament it has had rather less influence worldwide...

 

[Sparx]

Prisoners gave up the right to decide what happens in the society when they decided to harm it by killing etc.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Prisoners gave up the right to decide what happens in the society when they decided to harm it by killing etc.

Why does this sound like a very generalizing "prisoners are killers" way to look at it?

If i'm wrong, do tell, just sounds like it.

 

[Sparx]

That was just an example

My dad was a Prison officer for 12 years, started off in an open prison (which closed down and got turned into an asylum centre) then spent the rest of his time in Perth Prison first as a warden then riot control and finally instructor teaching inmates wood work (he was a joiner/builder before prison officer) and from him these people were scum, no-one repented for waht they done, all they wanted to do was get out and carry on being a criminal.

Why should people who have no intention of getting back into the community other than cause harm/grief to others again have a right to say how things are run?

 

[rynnor]

Why does this sound like a very generalizing "prisoners are killers" way to look at it?

If i'm wrong, do tell, just sounds like it.

Probably a reaction to the guy who's trying to change the law who happens to be a deranged child killer...

 

[old.Tohtori]

That was just an example

Why should people who have no intention of getting back into the community other than cause harm/grief to others again have a right to say how things are run?

Ok, nevermind that comment then, glad you cleared it.

that last point is a good one, so maybe the system would need a parole hearing type of thing? Interview a prisoner for the right to vote?

If they seem to be willing to get back to civvy life, then give them the right for it.

Probably a reaction to the guy who's trying to change the law who happens to be a deranged child killer...

True, but shouldn't base the whole thing on it.

 

[tierk]

No.

 

[Raven]

Not while serving their sentence, no. Once they are out and have served their debt to society then yes.

 

[Jiggs]

Ok, even if you're completely against it(for whatever reason)let's say prisoners are banned from voting.

What's next?

People with criminal records?
People who've had a run in with the law?
Speeding tickets?
People who live in "poor town"?

You see what i'm getting at here. Do you want to start limiting your rights?

No I don't see what you're getting at. People in prison can't vote and shouldn't be allowed to, there is no connection with any of the other groups you've mentioned.

From professional experience I'd agree with Sparx's assessment.