Should convicted paedophiles receive the death penalty?

[Lamp]

Child rapists, people who sexually assualt children, people who distribute child porn - should they be executed ?

 

[tris-]

not imo.

 

[Lamp]

I've assumed (rightly or wrongly, but its what I believe) that psychological "treatment" doesn't work. Once a paedo always a paedo. So this bollocks about "Oh, the current system is doing a good enough job" I would like thrown out of the window. The current system just stockpiles them in jail, they always get let out early, and then we're surprised when they're at it again. IMO these sickos need removing from the gene pool permanently.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8331388.stm

 

[Thorwyn]

Why only paedophiles? Are they in any way "sicker" that sodomists, rapists, murderers? If so, please tell me why exactly. Or do you want to extend death penalty to any form of capital crime (in which case this discussion has been discussed 100 times here already).

 

[Lamp]

My question was asked in isolation only.

What ridiculous analogies, Thorwyn. But answering you on your own dumb level, then:

Are paedophiles "sicker" than murderers ? Yes
Are paedophiles "sicker" than rapists ? Yes

Do you REALLY need me to explain why sexually abusing a baby is far, far worse than murdering someone in a pub ? Are paedophiles "sicker" than sodomites...what a stupid thing to say, as all gay men having consenting sex are sodomites. So No

And if you don't like the thread because its repetitive, fuck off out of it and don't respond

 

[megadave]

i dont wana go to jail

 

[BloodOmen]

Death penalty is an easy way out for paedophiles, i'd rather watch them suffer - put them in jail for 100 years under 24 hour supervision so they can't suicide whilst also telling all inmates exact what he/her has done.

That way they'll be raped/beaten up on a daily basis most likely, definately better than giving them the death pen.

 

[adoNix]

No - Torture them first. Then castrate them. Then torture them again. Then stone them to death


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[Thorwyn]

Wow.. what a great reply! I didn´t expect anything else from you though. If you can´t live with people questioning your theories, then why post here?

I´m not going to answer "in style" because I think that throwing random insults and flames doesn´t exactly help the discussion. So instead:

Sorry about the "sodomists", that was a translation mistake of me. In german, "Sodomist" is a person who shags animals.

Paedophiles are sick. So are rapists. So are murderers (I´m talking about the maniac kind of murderers... the ones that kill for fun). All of those people have one thing in common: they have a perverted drive that makes them a potential threat to other people´s life. Can you really weigh off human life against human life? And if so... based on what?

Again.. if you don´t want to discuss with me in a mature way and just want to spill your populist slogans, then let me know.


P.S. you CAN NOT discuss that kind of stuff "in isolation only"

 

[Moriath]

why is a child's rape any worse than a womans rape .. all ppl all have the same rights ... its only how society has morally brainwashed you to feel they are any worse ...

probably a sun or star reader who goes round stoning ppl who might be peado's cause the papers got it wrong or some such

 

[mooSe_]

I hope the post advocating torture were a joke. It's not going to help the victims, it's inhumane and it's a waste of money.
Child rapists have serious psychological disorders, so it's not exactly going to teach them a lesson either.
Either standard prison or death penalty. And I'm against the death penalty so prison is the only option I can advocate, even though it isn't ideal.

 

[Turamber]

UK law recognises a difference between sexual rape of a child and a 'relationship' with an older (14+) child. So those teachers who have been in the headlines for having sex with their pupils are treated differently to, say, a person who violates a baby.

Yet both crimes would require them to sign the sex register, and both crimes could have the people involved described as "paedophiles". Do both levels of crime deserve to be put to death/life imprisonment etc?

I'm sticking to option four.

 

[tris-]

problem with most of those poll options is its like stepping back in to the medieval ages.

next we will be hanging mentally handicapped people and chucking buckets of shit out the window.

 

[Huntingtons]

My question was asked in isolation only.

What ridiculous analogies, Thorwyn. But answering you on your own dumb level, then:

Are paedophiles "sicker" than murderers ? Yes
Are paedophiles "sicker" than rapists ? Yes

Do you REALLY need me to explain why sexually abusing a baby is far, far worse than murdering someone in a pub ? Are paedophiles "sicker" than sodomites...what a stupid thing to say, as all gay men having consenting sex are sodomites. So No

And if you don't like the thread because its repetitive, fuck off out of it and don't respond

what about a 16 year old guy who has sex with his 14 year old girlfriend? or the other way around. lets kill them!

read about teachers having sex with pupils and such.

 

[Imgormiel]

Poll again = fail. Soz dood but this goes against the grain as what we here in England call statute and what everyone else calls constitution. Observe em. This question is too generic and fails because of that point.

On the whole (which is why I didn't vote) I would say yes. No offence but Ancient Greek ways that are seeping into society as are other past movements ie what we in England are going through right now with late 70's feminist views should be left in the past. The idea that post modernism in politics and lifestyle is fast becoming a sham, a fad for people to pick up on and make their own because that was the way it was done. I am tired of people making old ideas and hamming them up to be their own and then others shipping on to the band wagon as though it was only done yesterday.

Paedophilia to me is absolutely abhorrent. But I am more sick that the politics and social values are being skewed by ideas that were extreme and more fundamentally idiosyncratic of people that didn't have a brain in the first place - that we are just jumping on an old idea without solutions - real solutions to the problem as this thread suggests. Therapy, hmm, education, hmm yeah we can all jump on this band wagon also and then take political solutions to what is essentially valid at the time.

The problem is as you point with constitutional ideology and what we also call democracy - which in my society is nothing but a sham of elected nobs with advisors that do the real part of the job.

History says that paedophilia is fundamentally a Greek idea - really? Fuck off, if the idea of someone wanting to shag a child started with the Greeks - as did homosexuality then guess what doods, I've won every lottery on the planet today and every day. That's bullshit. We are animals, like it or not. Even if we can articulate our ideas in a way that we deem as being and in this instance it is, does that mean we also have the right to say we created the Earth and how it runs? Nonsense.

This question asks for worldwide consensus. Given that we all have our own motives - regardless of how good or bad they are, I seriously doubt (even though as much as I would like to see it outlawed worldwide) we will get it. We live in an era of understanding. We live in an era of those that have committed crimes after they have done their time - we give them understanding. Given that, this question is totally fucked

So the agenda should be, can we have some forward thinking people of today that will have their agenda that will be concrete and last with their ideas, thank you

 

[Olgaline]

Life!

it's the worst possible humane senctencing,
if! infact it's life, and not life - good behavior

and yes poll fails,
anonimetronics ect

 

[Zenith.UK]

why is a child's rape any worse than a womans rape .. all ppl all have the same rights ... its only how society has morally brainwashed you to feel they are any worse ...

A child's rape is worse than a woman's rape for one simple reason.
A child is trusting and innocent and cannot possibly consent under any circumstances.

It's a cliche to say it, but children should be protected from corruption because they can't protect themselves. Most human societies in the world protect their youngest children from harm, from western civilisations to the unknown tribes in the rainforests.


As for treating these individuals, chemical castration should be ordered by courts more often. For those who say that the attackers have rights, they forfeit those rights once found guilty in a court IMO.

 

[Moriath]

A child's rape is worse than a woman's rape for one simple reason.
A child is trusting and innocent and cannot possibly consent under any circumstances.

It's a cliche to say it, but children should be protected from corruption because they can't protect themselves. Most human societies in the world protect their youngest children from harm, from western civilisations to the unknown tribes in the rainforests.


As for treating these individuals, chemical castration should be ordered by courts more often. For those who say that the attackers have rights, they forfeit those rights once found guilty in a court IMO.

what about women who are traded and exported into the sex trade .. would you class that as worse or better than child rape ?

Its rape, its against their wishes if they were in a position to say no bu tthey are coerced and controlled ... just like children ... into doing it

 

[Zita]

I'm sorry but if anyone atually thinks that rapists and what not dont deserve to die for what they do, then welll, its pretty pathetic. Rapists etc getting jail sentances like 10 years long, i mean WTF. They should all be tortured or some shit + shot as soon as found guilty. And no, they arnt mentaly ill, they are just sick.
Fucking shoot the lot of them.
Cheers then.

 

[mooSe_]

I'm sorry but if anyone atually thinks that rapists and what not dont deserve to die for what they do, then welll, its pretty pathetic. Rapists etc getting jail sentances like 10 years long, i mean WTF. They should all be tortured or some shit + shot as soon as found guilty. And no, they arnt mentaly ill, they are just sick.
Fucking shoot the lot of them.
Cheers then.

yeah I mean why even bother trying to understand the problem when you can just get angry and use violence

 

[Mabs]

why is a child's rape any worse than a womans rape

because

a child that isnt aware of whats happening but has everything else aswell, and no way of asking for help, and it goes ON AND ON AND ON FOR YEARS....

yea thats a shit lot worse

 

[Zenith]

I'm sorry but if anyone atually thinks that rapists and what not dont deserve to die for what they do, then welll, its pretty pathetic. Rapists etc getting jail sentances like 10 years long, i mean WTF. They should all be tortured or some shit + shot as soon as found guilty. And no, they arnt mentaly ill, they are just sick.
Fucking shoot the lot of them.
Cheers then.

To not believe that someone who have raped a child is mentally ill is to not understand the issue. Its clear they are mentally ill. Read your psychology.

 

[Thadius]

lamp fails at polls

 

[fl3a]

what about a 16 year old guy who has sex with his 14 year old girlfriend? or the other way around. lets kill them!

read about teachers having sex with pupils and such.

this should be getting more attention.
'oh snap you screwed a 16 year old who said she was 20 (and essentially IS 20 in the society, buys alcohol, gets into clubs, looks the part etc) and now you are gonna be sentenced to death'
that just wouldnt work.

i do see the point that paedophiles (the real ones, who rape little children) are utterly despicable. the only problem is that right now, people dont understand the consequences of child abuse. if someone is murdered, the murderer is more likely to be sent to the chair than the paedophile, because 'he killed someone so he deserves to die'. but child abuse can pretty much have the same consequences as murder - if a child grows up who has become emotionally and mentally unstable due to what was done to them, how is that life not ruined?

i voted life in prison. because i do not condone the death penalty.

 

[dub]

death penalty is expensive as a solution , it have no effect as a detterent , and it is presumptious to expect a judicial system to be so flawless that it can be entrusted with handing it out.

besides even if i were into old-school feudal style justice there would be people higher on the list for getting the axe than some sorry pedophiles.

 

[Azurus]

I've assumed (rightly or wrongly, but its what I believe) that psychological "treatment" doesn't work. Once a paedo always a paedo. So this bollocks about "Oh, the current system is doing a good enough job" I would like thrown out of the window. The current system just stockpiles them in jail, they always get let out early, and then we're surprised when they're at it again. IMO these sickos need removing from the gene pool permanently.

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If you assume as much it would follow that they were born as such. Is it right to take someone's life for being born a certain way? I believe a stern prison sentence as well as extensive psychological treatment in the hope they will be able to lead a semblance of a normal life is the way to go. No one has the right to take a life.

 

[tierk]

Yes. With the victim /s being the only people that would be allowed to give clemency. This should apply to rapists and murderers as well.

 

[Raven]

Only if you knew 100% that the person was guilty, likewise with murderers and rapists and even then it should be the maximum sentence awarded to people like those freaks that killed Baby P.

However history has shown us that there can be miscarriages of justice, either through mistakes or police incompetence, so no.

 

[soze]

Child Rapists and Murders yes but saying Paedophile is too broad as that includes this Music teacher Helen Goddard jailed for lesbian affair with pupil - Times Online which does not deserve death.

 

[old.Tohtori]

If you want to live in a democracy, the answer is no.

That's how it "works"