Shops, Robbers and Video Tape

[old.Jas]

Anyone watching it? Its based in Manchester - and following little scrotes nicking DVDs from HMV

I seriously think we need to take a leaf out of Saudi Arabia's book and cut off someones hand if they steal something. Little fucking tossers wouldn't do it again would they... and if they did then they would have the other one cut off.

Jail for the parents is a great idea as well.

 

[Embattle]

 

[Sar]

Keep pushing Jas, someday you'll get that Military state you're after

 

[Munkey-]

you really want saudi law? what if you had a DVD put in your bag so you would set it off when walking throguh the security gate so the littlbe bastards walk off whilst its still going?

convicted

hands chopped off. for something you diddnt do

like that muslim woman who got raped. she's now being convicted for adultery

 

[nath]

yes a bit much perhaps, but I think these twats do need a little more than a slap on the wrist..

 

[old.Jas]

Originally posted by Sar
Keep pushing Jas, someday you'll get that Military state you're after

You keep slapping thier wrists then - 10 hours community service for thier 14th conviction should do the job.

Arrogant little fucks need to be taught a lesson - proven by the fact that they reoffend

 

[old.Jas]

Originally posted by Munkey
like that muslim woman who got raped. she's now being convicted for adultery

Note how I said "take a leaf out of Saudi Arabia's book". Thats obviously just stupid

 

[Embattle]

I like the way that guy towards the end who rammed the police car and risked police officers lives got just 2 years probation

 

[Sar]

Originally posted by Jas
You keep slapping thier wrists then - 10 hours community service for thier 14th conviction should do the job.

Arrogant little fucks need to be taught a lesson - proven by the fact that they reoffend

Fuck a slap on the wrist, I'd shoot em in the head on the spot and have done with it.


Judge Dredd styleé

 

[old.Jas]

Tempting... but I think chopping a hand off would do the job

 

[Sar]

Nah, always the chance the wee shits'll do it again.

BULLET IN THE HEAD! BULLET IN THE HEAD! RAH! RAH! RAH!

 

[old.Jas]

 

[PR.]

4weeks in prison for the coat thief,

22nd conviction?
Already banned from entering a shop
Boyfriend with a drug habit

What else does she have to do ffs

 

[Kempo]

yes something needs to be done, but im not going to pretend like i have the answer, coz i dont :/ but something definately needs to be done, harsher sentances may be a start but bleh, like i said i dunno how to fix things

 

[Sar]

Basically all boils down to the education system failing the majority of people on the poverty line, thus not enabling them to effectively work their way out of poverty, thereby leading them to suffer from "frustration-aggression" where they begin to eventually commit crimes, such as joyriding, mobile phone theft, muggings etc.

Ever see fairly well educated middle class people commit the above crimes all that often?

Nope, didn't think so.

 

[Perplex]

Saudis laws work on the principle of DETERRENT... meaning the punishment is so fuck scary that would-be crims don't dare commit the crime - and guess what ladies, it works.

Now look at the UKs punishments - repeated offenders (like the silly girl that recently had a ASBO slapped on her *finally* after 130 criminal convictions of which 38 were assault on police officers). It's no fucking wonder do much scum in the this country commit crime after crime after crime. They fucking know all they will get is a telling off in court and then they're free to roam the streets again.

Again, the problem with this country is the sentancing is too weak and as such does not DETER criminals

 

[Munkey-]

aye. probation shouldn't be allowed until after 4 years inside

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Perplex
Saudis laws work on the principle of DETERRENT... meaning the punishment is so fuck scary that would-be crims don't dare commit the crime - and guess what ladies, it works.

Now look at the UKs punishments - repeated offenders (like the silly girl that recently had a ASBO slapped on her *finally* after 130 criminal convictions of which 38 were assault on police officers). It's no fucking wonder do much scum in the this country commit crime after crime after crime. They fucking know all they will get is a telling off in court and then they're free to roam the streets again.

Again, the problem with this country is the sentancing is too weak and as such does not DETER criminals

I agree to an extent that the sentencing is too weak but I don't think the Saudis system would work over here, part of it is to do with religious beliefs in Saudi. What you have to remember folks, most crims don't believe they will get caught and thats why the Death sentence in America doesn't work.

 

[Sawtooth]

I thought they were starting to re-evaluate the death sentence in the US cos too many people on Death row were found to be innocent?

As for Saudi law. Its a closed society where the ruling Saudi families rule with extreme predudice. Do you really think thats a better system.

Granted our laws are too soft on minors but look what happened in the 80's with the Tories Short Sharp Shock answer. That did no good either. I really think this comes down to poor parenting. Its self perpetuating if you ask me.

 

[~YuckFou~]

I believe that the hand chopping thing is religious, rather than to take off their hand to stop further stealing. They eat with their right hand, if they don't have a right hand then they can no longer eat in public or with their families.

 

[JohnyWishbone]

Originally posted by Embattle


Granted our laws are too soft on minors but look what happened in the 80's with the Tories Short Sharp Shock answer. That did no good either. I really think this comes down to poor parenting. Its self perpetuating if you ask me.

I agree with Sawtooth, I think the problems begin at home, not the school, some parents have'nt a clue where their kids are and just let them roam the streets doing whatever. They dont care, and if the teachers try and discipline them, they go marching down to the school to stick one on the teachers.

I was at the pics last night and we were wandering round the poster shop before the showing and there was a bloke there with his 8-9 year old son. The bloke was looking for a poster that was'nt there. He stood up and said "They have'nt got the F'ing Bastard thing" right in fron of his kid. Unbelieveable, and thats what the kid will learn to believe is acceptable behaviour.

 

[Embattle]

OI I didn't post that

 

[xane]

Originally posted by Perplex
Saudis laws work on the principle of DETERRENT... meaning the punishment is so fuck scary that would-be crims don't dare commit the crime - and guess what ladies, it works.

[...]

Again, the problem with this country is the sentancing is too weak and as such does not DETER criminals

Well, you have to consider this on a larger scale.

"Crime" in Saudi Arabia also extends to religious and political thought, defying the traditional or accepted views is punishable as well, sometimes by long term imprisonment, often by death on a trumped up charge, this in turn discourages innovation and free thinking.

Many great things have come from free thought, the internet we use right now to communicate, and all those devices that need the oil that made the House of Saud so rich and powerful, and all the Mercedes and Learjets that they travel the world in.

You might want a return to ritual punishment, but would be willing to sacrifice the liberal society we live in ? I think not.

Saudi Arabian society "works" because it has an access abundance of decadent free-thinkers in other countries to supply it with all the fancy technology it needs, however nothing ever comes out of Saudi apart from mineral resources, otherwise it's a tiny (population-wise), immature (founded c. 1900), worthless and very sandy place run as a personal and private kingdom for a few privileged individuals.

Even contemplating the merest suggestion that Saudi Arabia holds the key to established and historic democratic societies like ours is incredibly foolish.

To answer the original point is why an incredibly rich company like HMV can't afford security guards to stop the scrotes in the first place, methinks that they accept loss of goods to theft as a viable alternative to employing people to watch over them.

Big corporations don't care, they'll recoup their losses by overcharging the rest of the law-abiding public, if anything their attitude is as criminal as the ratboy.

 

[mr.Blacky]

another option is to re-educate the criminals, try to teach them that their ways is wrong.

gah I am in a happy mood

 

[L_Plates]

Originally posted by Mr.Blackshirt
another option is to re-educate the criminals, try to teach them that their ways is wrong.

gah I am in a happy mood

Re-educate then means more tax from us to pay for it ... if they dont want to get out of crime they wont .. fuck em .. im with Sar SHOOT THE BAZZA's

 

[Perplex]

Thing is, althought you may appear right in saying "blame it on the parents!!", you're way way off the mark. Also, to blame it on education is also looking at a superficial 'result' of the real underlying problem.

The real 'cause' of the proliferation of youth crime is based on a problem much less superficial than your suggestions and speculations. It was put forward by a socioligist in the early 80s (can't remember his name, will search through notes later) that the United Kingdom is experiencing the birth of a new under-class. A class below all other classes, whose right and wrong judgement calls are based not on reasoning as the rest of us, but based purely on animalistic urges.

The sociologist that suggested this was totally debunked by his peers and government, but guess what - he was completely right. The perpetuation of this under-class within the inner-city ghetto slums continues at an astronomical rate today, and to merely say "heheh, they should just learn stuff at school!" is quite a naive concept. The children born within this under-class have little to zero opportunities from the outset, are outcast by their colleagues at the schools they do attend (for simply coming from the wrong area, wearing the wrong things because their family can't afford them, talking differently etc) and as a result they usually end up resorting to crime to attain the items that will make them fit in, which leads to long term and total abandonment of school for a life of what appears to be easy crime - low risk high reward.

Even if schools are set up within these ghetto slums to cater mainly for the children of that area (hence, negating the reasons I pointed out in my previous paragraph) the pooling together of so many children from the same under-class merely acts as a catalyst. Why? Have you not seen the footage of 9 year old children joyriding stolen cars around their own neighbourhood? I remember one partiuclar documentary that showed a bunch of 9 year old boys stealing a car, and then handbrake-turning it around a grassy square in the middle of a bunch of houses in one of these ghetto slums - and the mothers of the children? They watched on from their open front-doors, laughing and making comments about how proud they are that their 9yr old son can already drive.

It's a fucking sad state of affairs, but please don't trivialise it with superficial suggestions such as "it's the parents!" or "it's the education system!"

 

[Sir Frizz]

It brings up the nature vs. nurture arguement. Which one causes personality types in people. Perp hit the nail on the head. Its not just the way theyr'e brought up, it's in their genes, the way they act etc. If a person is born insane and brought up in a wealthy family, it doesnt matter if you give them the best education the system has to offer, they will still act abnormally. And of course this works the other way around. Though being brought up in certain areas does have an effect on the way you behave.

 

[stu]

Sterilise poor people.

Problem solved.

 

[Perplex]

LOL, the thing is Stu - I'm totally for sterilisation of the serial habitual criminals from the under-class. There is actually very little else that can realistically be done. Yes it's an infringement on their human right - what you have to remember is that they have no respect for ANYONES human rights - would you have moaned that had Adolf Hitler survived the war, that he should be treated with dignity and all human rights? No, because he had no respect for anyone elses rights.

Yes this is ultraultra right-wing, but what you have to remember is these animalistic young males and females that have no concept of right and wrong other than pure animal instincts are producing children at a dizzy rate of knots. The actions of the parent figures are imprinted onto the child,m and the cycle perpetuates itself further.

IMHO these under-class hooligans should be given a fair number of chances to rehabilitate, say... five years. At the point they reach 18, if they have not yet got their act together, they should be chemically sterilized to stop the spread of their defective genetics, and their defective mental mindset to their children

 

[Durzel]

Run them all through one at a time with a sword forged out of the finest steel.