Shitting myself...

[tris-]

Regarding quitting smoking: have you tried snuff tobaco?

It is the most effective method of quitting smoking according to statistics (lancet IIRC), and hasnt caused a disease in the last 300 years of use!

 

[Cadelin]

Regarding quitting smoking: have you tried snuff tobaco?

It is the most effective method of quitting smoking according to statistics (lancet IIRC), and hasnt caused a disease in the last 300 years of use!

Smokeless tobacco is still bad for you.

I couldn't find any statistics on how effective quitting smoking was using smokeless tobacco but all the information I did find about it seemed to come from companies producing smokeless tobacco products....

Anyway good luck quitting smoking Jupitus!

 

[JBP|]

Glad to see you are ok jup

 

[taB]

Congrats!

Why did you let a tree put it's roots in your chest in the first place?

 

[tris-]

Smokeless tobacco is still bad for you.

I couldn't find any statistics on how effective quitting smoking was using smokeless tobacco but all the information I did find about it seemed to come from companies producing smokeless tobacco products....

If you actually read what it says there, that article refers to smokeless tobaco that goes in the mouth.

im talking about snuff, which is completley different.

Maybe you didnt look hard enough, there was research carried out by the Australian govt that demonstrated the effectiveness.

 

[Fweddy]

Why did you let a tree put it's roots in your chest in the first place?

It happens

Glad you're doing well Jup. This place just wouldn't be same without the pitter patter of hairy feet.

 

[Cadelin]

If you actually read what it says there, that article refers to smokeless tobaco that goes in the mouth.

im talking about snuff, which is completley different.

Maybe you didnt look hard enough, there was research carried out by the Australian govt that demonstrated the effectiveness.

Snuff tobacco is a type of smokeless tobacco. wiki link Also if you read the article it does mention snuff specifically. Edit: And I see no specific mention of only the mouth.

And if your argument relies on some scientific papers would you please go to the trouble of finding them yourself? I realise that it is not always possible to locate the exact paper you may have seen previously but something supporting your claim would be nice.

 

[Jupitus]

Thanks guys - not smoking is fine so far, but then I've done this bit of stopping before - it's the 3 week marker that gets me, but I'm determined this time, for obvious reasons.

at the fir tree story... makes me feel MUCH better !!!:lol:

 

[taB]

I use snuff sometimes, it's great

I uploaded a pic of my Himalaya Super Snuff to the gallery here but then pictures of nawks started appearing so I think I'll skip that till I'm not at work...

 

[tris-]

Snuff tobacco is a type of smokeless tobacco. wiki link Also if you read the article it does mention snuff specifically. Edit: And I see no specific mention of only the mouth.

And if your argument relies on some scientific papers would you please go to the trouble of finding them yourself? I realise that it is not always possible to locate the exact paper you may have seen previously but something supporting your claim would be nice.

I know exactly what snuff is...
Using your argument, the article doesnt differentiate by any type of snuff so I can infer things as easily as you are doing.

But please read what that lancet article is saying - here are a few key words

oral
oesophageal
Swedish

For one thing, the snuff im talking about goes in the nose. The snuff that the article is very likely talking about is snus, as indicated by the "swedish men" part. They are very well known for their pouches of snus which are used under the lip of the mouth. Which is further known for causing oral and oesophageal cancer. (Oral use of Swedish moist snuff (snus) and risk for cancer of the mouth, lung, and pancreas in male construction workers: a retrospective cohort study : The Lancet)

"Extract from a report by Dr. M. A. H. Russell and others.
Published in ‘The Lancet’ of 1st March, 1980
Our findings suggest that a new age for snuff is a feasible alternative to cigarette smoking. Snuff could save more lives and avoid more ill-health than any other preventative measure likely to be available to developed nations well into the 21st century. "

"BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL VOLUME 293 – 16TH AUGUST, 1986
Since nasal snuff is unburnt it contains – in contrast to tobacco smoke – no tar, carbon monoxide, or oxides of nitrogen. Since it is not inhaled it cannot carry a risk of lung cancer, but what is the risk of local damage? Root, Aust and Sullivan reported the case of a farmer who had placed snuff in the left ear for 42 years, eventually developing a squamous carcinoma of the external auditory meatus.

Though I have never seen nasal or antroethmoidal cancer arising in any patient within Britain who had used snuff, it is a possible explanation for the extraordinary high incidence of upper jaw neoplasms in the Bantu tribes of the Transvaal, among whom the use of indigenous snuff is widespread. Campbell and Cooper found as much 3:4 benzopyrine in Zulu snuff, which contains charred aloe stems as well as tobacco, as in cigarette smoke condensate. - D. E. N. Harrison
"

 

[Cadelin]

I know exactly what snuff is...

I never said you didn't. I was simply pointing out that snuff is a type of smokeless tobacco.

Using your argument, the article doesnt differentiate by any type of snuff so I can infer things as easily as you are doing.

But please read what that lancet article is saying - here are a few key words

oral
oesophageal
Swedish

For one thing, the snuff im talking about goes in the nose. The snuff that the article is very likely talking about is snus, as indicated by the "swedish men" part. They are very well known for their pouches of snus which are used under the lip of the mouth. Which is further known for causing oral and oesophageal cancer. (Oral use of Swedish moist snuff (snus) and risk for cancer of the mouth, lung, and pancreas in male construction workers: a retrospective cohort study : The Lancet)

Please stop talking BS. In order to access the first article you have to pay for it. I tried to access it by logging in via my university accounts but without luck. In the end I had to contact a friend who works in medical research and has a personal subscription to the lancet in order to download it. I am 99% sure you have not read the article and only the summary.

Now I don't smoke so I won't claim to know the details between different ways of taking tobacco. However as well as mentioning Swedish people it also mentions people from many other countries taking tobacco in what seems to be a range of different smokeless ways. All of which seem to lead to increases in unpleasant diseases.

"Extract from a report by Dr. M. A. H. Russell and others.
Published in ‘The Lancet’ of 1st March, 1980
Our findings suggest that a new age for snuff is a feasible alternative to cigarette smoking. Snuff could save more lives and avoid more ill-health than any other preventative measure likely to be available to developed nations well into the 21st century. "

"BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL VOLUME 293 – 16TH AUGUST, 1986
Since nasal snuff is unburnt it contains – in contrast to tobacco smoke – no tar, carbon monoxide, or oxides of nitrogen. Since it is not inhaled it cannot carry a risk of lung cancer, but what is the risk of local damage? Root, Aust and Sullivan reported the case of a farmer who had placed snuff in the left ear for 42 years, eventually developing a squamous carcinoma of the external auditory meatus.

Though I have never seen nasal or antroethmoidal cancer arising in any patient within Britain who had used snuff, it is a possible explanation for the extraordinary high incidence of upper jaw neoplasms in the Bantu tribes of the Transvaal, among whom the use of indigenous snuff is widespread. Campbell and Cooper found as much 3:4 benzopyrine in Zulu snuff, which contains charred aloe stems as well as tobacco, as in cigarette smoke condensate. - D. E. N. Harrison
"

None of those points support your initial statement. Take the first point, Snuff might be alot better for you than smoking but that doesn't mean its harmless.

The second point indicates with only circumstantial evidence that putting tobacco products in/on different parts of your body DOES cause health problems.

Also both of those articles are from the 1980s. Its interesting that you have been unable to find anything more recent to support your claim.

 

[ECA]

Hadn't been reading this thread since it got bumped but Congratulations Jup.

What's so amazing is that you get to see the pics these days and so do we.

 

[nath]

I never got to keep the pictures of my spine inflammation thing from my MRI :\. No fair!

Anyway congrats Jup .

 

[tris-]

1None of those points support your initial statement. Take the first point, Snuff might be alot better for you than smoking but that doesn't mean its harmless.

2The second point indicates with only circumstantial evidence that putting tobacco products in/on different parts of your body DOES cause health problems.

3Also both of those articles are from the 1980s. Its interesting that you have been unable to find anything more recent to support your claim.

1. I never said it was harmless as far as I can tell.
2. Yes, products such as what the zulu tribe use "Campbell and Cooper found as much 3:4 benzopyrine in Zulu snuff, which contains charred aloe stems as well as tobacco". Pretty sure the snuff they sell in the shop is not the same shit they are using up in Zuluuville.
3. It could also indicate further research has not been carried out on nasal snuff.

 

[ECA]

What about anal snuff?

 

[tris-]

Its only good if someone else is poutting it in there.

 

[russell]

Glad you are well again Jup xxxx

 

[Cadelin]

1. I never said it was harmless as far as I can tell.

Regarding quitting smoking: have you tried snuff tobaco?

It is the most effective method of quitting smoking according to statistics (lancet IIRC), and hasnt caused a disease in the last 300 years of use!

Maybe I missed some sarcasm but the implication here is that its harmless because people have been using it for 300 years without it causing a disease.

This was the main point I was worried about. I just wanted to make sure the facts were clear.

 

[gremlin]

Mr R had to have a colonoscopy with a sedative and he was so brave that I gave him a sticker

Argh, they never gave me the sedative option when I had mine. Bastards!

 

[gremlin]

I neglected to say this, actually. This was done under the NHS at Frimley Park Hospital and I swear they were the very epitomy of first class excellence in every way!!!!

Frimley Park is great, especially how oversubscribed they are after every bloody other hospital in a 50 mile radius was closed and redirected there. My youngest brother was born there!

 

[ford prefect]

Thanks guys - not smoking is fine so far, but then I've done this bit of stopping before - it's the 3 week marker that gets me, but I'm determined this time, for obvious reasons.

I gave up smoking three months ago, decided to just go cold turkey (tried patches before, and frankly they just draw the chemical addiction out if you ask me), and so far it hasn't been too bad. Granted the first month was quite annoying, but after that it was pretty easy considering I smoked 20 a day for 17 years and I work in a very stressful environment.

 

[Calaen]

In for a Colonoscopy myself this Friday, been passing blood for about 8 weeks now, shit scared of what they find but I know I have to get it done.

 

[gremlin]

In for a Colonoscopy myself this Friday, been passing blood for about 8 weeks now, shit scared of what they find but I know I have to get it done.

Good luck, for me it's better knowing than not knowing and there's a ton of things that are benign/easily fixed in that area.

Let us know how you get on.

 

[Jupitus]

In for a Colonoscopy myself this Friday, been passing blood for about 8 weeks now, shit scared of what they find but I know I have to get it done.

Meep - nasties aye... hope it goes ok for you

I actually went back in yesterday after feeling a bit of a pain after 2 days with none... overnight stay and several checks later all is well and I'm back home, and still off the cigs

 

[Moriath]

Good job

Glad everything is hunky dorey

 

[Moriath]

Good luck, for me it's better knowing than not knowing and there's a ton of things that are benign/easily fixed in that area.

Let us know how you get on.

You want pictures of his arse

 

[TdC]

In for a Colonoscopy myself this Friday

good luck there Cal mate

 

[gremlin]

You want pictures of his arse

No need, they're already on the internet if you know where to look

 

[yaruar]

good luck there Cal mate

Colonoscopy isn't too bad, but definately take the sedation for it. The worst part is the not eating and the super strength laxitive drinks they make you take the day before to make you all clean and shiny.

I had my sigmoidoscopy (colonoscopy light) last week and got the all clear for tumor regrowth, which was nice, so no more bumcam for me.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

I had my sigmoidoscopy (colonoscopy light) last week and got the all clear for tumor regrowth, which was nice, so no more bumcam for me.

...well, for medical reasons anyway