Shamans, end 4 or 5

[Melachi-]

Hmm been reading back a few posts on this forum, and i noticed that alot of people saying you need atleast 42 aug to get in a RvR group or guild.

Personally im much more in favour of either of these 2 specs.

39 Cave, 37 aug, 4 mend

or

37 Cave, 38 aug, 9 mend

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First spec giving you end regen 4 (everyone should have lw1), 2nd best spec buffs, cold and heat 16% resist buffs, 8% matter buff. But more importantly the Cave. 2nd best ae root, 2nd best pbae disease (for less resists and longer duration).

Second spec is pretty much the same, only swapping the 2nd best ae root for 16% matter resist buff.

I cant see the viability in going for 42 aug, just to get end regen 5 and sacrificing duration on pbae disease and higher resist rates, and shorter duration and higher resists no ae root. Spec buffs dont really matter too much since everyones got buffbots these days.

Discuss the end 5 versus end 4 thing, as im currently leveling up a shaman here. Dont turn it into a spec thing tho as i dont care about specs, just want to know why end 5 is worth sacrificing so much in the cave line. Some people are under the illusion Cave line is for roleplayers and keep defenders, when it can really be a winning factor in fg -v- fg fights. Obviously not 46 Cave shammys spamming ae dot tho of course ;x

 

[Lumikki]

4, people who understand anything about shamans will get long wind 1 so shammies don't "have to" spec 42 aug.

Everyone get it..!!

xx

 

[Tualatin]

For trolls: Aug Acuity (or similar in midgard) instead of lw1

 

[froler-mid]

end 4 ofc, every mid should get lw1 at lvl20.

 

[Kallio]

I´ve played a shaman with end4 and end5, I´ve been high cave and now I am high aug.

End5 is a better asset than a higher level AE root.

my spec, 13mend 42aug and 31cave works very well

and from experience also, you dont NEED 42aug to get a group, I just dont know how many invites I missed while I had end4

randomguy sends,"Do you have end5?
you send,"I got end4 but I got good Ae root"
randomguy sends,"kthxbye we´ll look up someone with end5"

We arent looking into what´s good and what´s bad, we´re looking at what people think what´s good and bad

And to the "better pbae disease" thing, the difference isnt that big, most of time it´s not resisted, and you should be able to cast normal AE disease anyway. 400radius interrupt anyone?

But, closing my statement to, yes you should get end5

 

[Rulke-RM]

Originally posted by Kallio
randomguy sends,"Do you have end5?
you send,"I got end4 but I got good Ae root"
randomguy sends,"kthxbye we´ll look up someone with end5

Pfft, that's just an excuse cos they don't like you imo

Anyway everyone knows all shaman should have 47 aug and a name that incorporates the word "buff" somehow :/

 

[Wonk.]

aug shaman is so damn boring :<
go high cave. Cave is uber

 

[Tiac]

i can't bother to respec my RAs just to get Lw1 so let the shamans get end 5 imo
Regards, Chosen!

 

[Archeon]

Sort-Of-Originally posted by Rulke-RM
Anyway everyone knows all shaman should have a name that incorporates the word "buff" somehow :/

Hehe, couldn't help but laugh at that. Kinda like the way loads of BD's have the word 'Bone' in their name.


Anyway, time to add some content so it doesn't look like i'm doing anything other than replying to this post (yay, +1!)

I'd say there is probably a fair ammount of difference between End4 and End5. But like most things, there is no correct way to spec a character (except Healers, Speccing aug is wrong! 'Specially 40+ Aug, you people will all suffer my wrath!!! )

I myself used to play a 46cave(28aug, 4mend) Shaman, respecced him (to 42aug, 27cave, 20mend) because i had a full respec from some patch or another and i was utterly pissed off with people asking if i was having a joke when i used End3 (remember, this was when it was a single target timer buff. So it was even more of a pain in the ass).

So anyway, i respecced. And i had some nice buffs. In all honesty i didn't really notice a huge ammount of difference in my play-style except for a few minor things

1. I could heal for more than shit
2. Because i no longer had 'Teh uber' AE dot i was less tempted to use it.


I did notice a slight increase in the number of flat out resists on my PBAE disease, not denying that. But i'd hardly say it was alwasy resisted (i only really got 'resist spam' when i needed it to land )

As for the AE root, i wouldn't worry too much about it. CC is a healers job, chances are if you start playing with your AE root you'l end up screwing up a Mez. It's happened to me a few times while playing my Healer (yes, i'm a sad bastard with both a Healer and a Shaman at L50) and i think its fair to say that when Shaman's manage to do it it typically ends with us eating dirt.


For End4/End5 issues, there is a difference. Yes. No denying it, and yes. Most people should invest in LW1 atleast, but still not everyone has/will have it. There will always be people without it, or worse. If you get stuck with a really arrogent group leader (you know the sort, think their gods gift to RvR and can't shut up about how this one time they were in Odin's with their super cool RvR guild -formed two days ago- and they managed to 'save' NP from two stealthers with really, really sharp looking knifes!!!) he'l generally be a pain (in-between the rantings about how great he is). And yes, it does happen. Its happened to me more times than i care to count. People are just like that.

Still, if you've got End4 most people will usually take it. If they don't just leave. Your a wanted class. You don't need to put up with crap from Jonny the five year old h4><><>0r with his mighty F8, /stick sk1llz0r!!!!


...Urrr.... sorry, kinda wondered off there. Basically, my point is that End4 is a good buff to have. End5 is just that little bit nicer. Not taking into account that when you spec for End5 you also get yellow con buffs/resists.


Here Endeth the mindless babble.

















....+1

 

[bloodclot]

go for 37 or 38 aug imo
and 37ish cave
rest mend

just my opinion cause the cave is sure fun with the Disease farts and AOE-dots in keeptakes.

and sprint+skaldspeed+end5 will only slow you down in random groups cause most of the time at least 1 isn't paying attention and you have to wait for him/her/it again.
get LW1 as tank for sure to sprint at support casters in rvr and for end4shamans for permasprint etc


38aug/37aug 37cave/39cave xmend
42aug 31cave xmend

are both good rvr specs imo

 

[sverdidi]

i have 43 aug 31 cave and 6 mend, and i dont hear anyone crying about my skills

 

[old.Buffer]

end 4 is good enough, with longwind 1. Tho it depends on how u want to play, ie u want to be a buffbot or an aggro shaman or a healer. I have a shaman specced 32 aug 12 mend and rest in cave, solos most orange con mobs easy, tore a yellow con alb apart in about 10 seconds.

Its your account u spec how u think best, never let anyone tell u how to spec/buff. Buffs from a shaman or healer are a privilige not a right and I think some people forget this. Its my mana/conc i use I give to whoever i see fit, not because they scream need dex/con.

Do not let yourself fall into the role of buffbot

 

[Rulke-RM]

LW1 is bloody useful even with end 5 though, and only 1 point...

ALL GET IT!

 

[ulke]

ALL LISTEN TO RULKE!!!

 

[Rulke-RM]

Originally posted by ulke
ALL LISTEN TO RULKE!!!

 

[Rhuric]

I would say end 5, as both "tank" and shammy, but from tank view, it costs alot of end with styles, and with end 5 it is much easier to both sprint after the support classes and style @ the same time without loosing to much end, and yes I got lw1 and it still slowly drains my end........but it is a game, everyone can spec as they want, but as someone said, there are alot of arses out there who just cant take end less then 5......... And healing as a shaman??? what are you thinking, if you wanna heal, roll a healer, shammy heals are crap, and I there havnt been many fights I even got time healing as I am bussy with rooting and diseasing or kiting for that matter

 

[dawn-]

Originally posted by Tiac
i can't bother to respec my RAs just to get Lw1 so let the shamans get end 5 imo
Regards, Chosen!

lol its 1 point, get in next rr, you should have done so allready


end5 is needed for zerkers cause its like 3 styled ooe with end4

 

[chosen]

Originally posted by dawn-
lol its 1 point, get in next rr, you should have done so allready


end5 is needed for zerkers cause its like 3 styled ooe with end4

why? I got a RA Calculator and i need every single Reealm Spec points i get, so i don't wanne use one on LW!

 

[rg-zorena]

actually end 4 or 5 imo doesn't matter 1 bit its all about the points u put in cave that matter the pbae disease, ae root and even dot bold dd make it more fun and a better rvr shaman in the long run, and plz cant spend 1 point in your rr10l10 template rofl but planning templates maybe fun but you will change your mind about afew of your ras in the long run :>

 

[bouh]

Originally posted by Rulke-RM
LW1 is bloody useful even with end 5 though, and only 1 point...

ALL GET IT!

 

[duact]

Originally posted by dawn-
lol its 1 point, get in next rr, you should have done so allready


end5 is needed for zerkers cause its like 3 styled ooe with end4

i can sprint and style forever with lw2 end4 and endpots.
get lw1 or u sook imo

 

[Weeping Willow]

Only noob shamans fuck up mezz with AE Root, you get lot better tools with 37 aug / 39 cave than with 42 aug 27 cave wtf mending.

I noticed a quite big difference in resist rate between 27 and 37 pbae disease so there is no way that I respec back to 42+ aug.

And the point that AE Disease is 400 radius makes it even more dangerous to spam around than AE Root if you intend to not break mezz.

 

[Denisée]

Who cares about 42 aug? Get 43 to piss off the chanters =)

 

[Kallio]

Originally posted by old.Buffer
end 4 is good enough, with longwind 1. Tho it depends on how u want to play, ie u want to be a buffbot or an aggro shaman or a healer. I have a shaman specced 32 aug 12 mend and rest in cave, solos most orange con mobs easy, tore a yellow con alb apart in about 10 seconds.

yellow con alb that was green after he died??

As a shaman I can solo almost any class, but it takes some time. So how the hell can you kill an alb in 10 secs? caster with no Af buff? without armor? Sitting on down and playing home with his dolls?

Come on

 

[old.Buffer]

Originally posted by Kallio
yellow con alb that was green after he died??

As a shaman I can solo almost any class, but it takes some time. So how the hell can you kill an alb in 10 secs? caster with no Af buff? without armor? Sitting on down and playing home with his dolls?

Come on

They had no buffs
Saw them, root, poison, sprint to them and melee
They was dead before my dot wore off. They also choose to run rather than fight. So it was pretty damn quick.If u noticed i said about, not exactly 10 seconds. I was there.

Was a good revenge against what looked like an Inf.
So what they had no buffs. It was just my class against the theirs

 

[chosen]

Originally posted by duact
i can sprint and style forever with lw2 end4 and endpots.
get lw1 or u sook imo

Lw2 is bugged.....

 

[duact]

lw2 might be bugged but its not bugged in the wrong way

 

[etcetra]

Originally posted by Tualatin
For trolls: Aug Acuity (or similar in midgard) instead of lw1

Such roleplay..