Shamans and RvR (only particularly relevant to mids)

[old.mattshanes]

Just want to say zapsis you play your healer very well:great: shame i do not see you use him as much but i guess it's because of people moaning when you do not heal when you can't(being attacked)?

As for shamans i find their dot a deadly spell along with disease it's something you do not want to be on the receiving end of it can change a battle pretty quickly if used effectively.I remember a shammie in sauv(rolo?) he nearly killed me with his dots just used once i think he critted though but still and that's with capped resists,seems a good spell in my opinion.(if only i had screenies of the guys damage )

 

[eynar]

Originally posted by zapzap
Most healers will have a 313 hp heal cast time 3.31 as there big heal or A baseline mend 231 hp heal cast time 2.75

Shammy with 33 mend will have a 307 hp heal cast time 3.25
the baseline heal a baseline mend 231 hp cast time 2.75.

Some healers will have a 419 hp heal but few.

Healers have instean heals but to play shammy and think no mend is needed is wrong imo.

Zapsi.

Uhm, can't say I'm following your reasoning here...first of all you forget to mention that the heal is the only useful thing a shaman can get when speccing mending. Healers do not only get better heals, but insta's + better rezzes + the casting times in superior healing line are greatly reduced when specced higher. Imo the 76hp shammies can get from speccing mending to 33 isn't worth the 500 spec points you put into it by far.

 

[thorungla]

Sure healers mend gets insta heals etc - but shammy mend spec gets group friggs (110 heal per tick, plus a possibility of crit, for 30 secs across 8 people is possibly more healing power than spread heals) Just a thought.

 

[Makwaerk]

Well my shaman is 45aug/27 mend/12 cave


Great buffs awesome really, ppl don't know how much they mean imo

the mend is getting me some frigs .. wich is usefull at keep war but not in open field .. I basicly have the mend to improve my baselinie heals, and this is what I do most in RvR, since the healer has enough to worry about .. he needs all the help he can get

the last 12 cave is just to improve the baselinie dot, not goind for anything in the cave spec, as I find it poor linie, for open field RvR

imo he is great fun to play, proberly the char I play most in RvR these days (got a zerker/healer and SM aswell), but ofc you are not making much deathspam for your self so if that is important this is the wrong spec

 

[mordia]

Originally posted by Makwaerk
Well my shaman is 45aug/27 mend/12 cave

Best spec for a RvR shammy imo.

 

[Cush]

Originally posted by Makwaerk

but ofc you are not making much deathspam for your self so if that is important this is the wrong spec

IMO if you want death spam its the wrong char to play

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by Cush
IMO if you want death spam its the wrong char to play

not really.. a full cave specced shammy will deathspam more than any other char in mid.. both in keep takes and zerging

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

I made my shammy 41 cave / 32 aug / 14 mend. Its a fun spec as you probably have most of the shammy options available to you.
Mend line has friggs and heals mainly, so nothing I got particularly excited about. Mend can be boosted with items, Wild Healing and Mastery of Healing, which is what I did. I also supplemented the aug with the buff RA (an unpopular choice btw) because the benefits are applied to everyone you buff so in my opinion has a lot of utility value even if the difference per buff is small.

I think shammies don't just support by healing, they can support by supplementing the damage the main tanks and casters are doing to the enemy, emergency CC and if you notice, the more experienced shammies on this thread know when to do these. When I'm playing my shammy I rarely select new targets but help the main damage dealers kill their targets or heal as appropriate.
Shammies are the only class in Mid that gets Disease (ok, boney darkness pets, but not quite the same thing) but to get the insta you must spec Cave a bit.

As always, it comes down to the player themselves. The only bone of contention seems to be whether a shammy should spec Cave. Again it depends how you want to play it and I would simply say do what you want to do, don't be swayed. Its your online time, your fun, and you're paying for it

The absolute most important thing to remember is that no matter what you spec, you still get cool looking epic armour

 

[Todin]

Dho Dho my 45Shammy is aiming for Aug32(1st grp end regen) Mend35 (second best on all healspecs) Cave25 (The leftover).
Today he's Aug31 Mend35 Cave2 .
I think the healers really needs backup on healing since they have their ass filled with CC trough a RvR fight.
The thing I'll miss is the PBAE disease.

 

[Demrog]

Originally posted by Cush
Shamans are support chars.. If ppl want to be a nuker why dont they go and make them self a Darkness runie instead?

According to who?

Not all shaman are support characters, unless people WANT to play them as support characters.

I have 2 shaman - one of which will be played as a support shaman with high aug and a decent enough mend - she will be there to primarily keep people alive and buff them to high heaven - that is the type of character I wanted her to be.

The shaman that I was talking about at the start of this thread was a completely different type of character, and my whole problem was with people trying to tell me what I should do and crying at me when I didnt do what they expected of me. From the majority of the replies on this thread it seems i may well be justified.

I will buff you if I can and as long you are polite when you ask
I will heal you if I can as long as you are polite
My main concern is damage dealing and controlling the enemy where possible - that is the type of character I want.

 

[eynar]

Originally posted by Demrog
According to who?

Not all shaman are support characters, unless people WANT to play them as support characters.

I have 2 shaman - one of which will be played as a support shaman with high aug and a decent enough mend - she will be there to primarily keep people alive and buff them to high heaven - that is the type of character I wanted her to be.

The shaman that I was talking about at the start of this thread was a completely different type of character, and my whole problem was with people trying to tell me what I should do and crying at me when I didnt do what they expected of me. From the majority of the replies on this thread it seems i may well be justified.

I will buff you if I can and as long you are polite when you ask
I will heal you if I can as long as you are polite
My main concern is damage dealing and controlling the enemy where possible - that is the type of character I want.

Agreed, people tend to forget the fun you have when playing your character. Personally I have a hard time seeing the fun of playing a high aug shaman, since buffing isn't really something I enjoy doing, but maybe it's just me

 

[Azal]

You can go
42 aug
20 mend
27 cave

Which gets you the 2nd AE DoT 1st AE root and 1st PBAE disease shout.

Which gives you quite a bit of versitility. AE DoT isn't the highest level but it's decent, and tbh not useful as it's a mez breaker in rvr most often but handy in keepraids. And AE root is v handy for backup CC. Shammy mending line is pretty gimpy tbh 20 should be plenty enough imo.

 

[old.Trine Aquavit]

Originally posted by thorungla
Sure healers mend gets insta heals etc - but shammy mend spec gets group friggs (110 heal per tick, plus a possibility of crit, for 30 secs across 8 people is possibly more healing power than spread heals) Just a thought.

Aye, but Friggs in combat will only get you 2 or occasionally 3 ticks as it's a health regen buff rather than a heal and therefore ticks only when the regen ticks. If the whole group is injured when it ticks it will do a good job of healing and has the potential to heal 3 x 8 x 110 = 2660 HPs for relatively little power. But this will only work in 'ideal' circumstances - most of the time that regen is wasted on people that are at full health. Even when it does hit 110HP on any one target is a very insignificant heal in RvR. In comparison, my 39 Mend spread heal regularly heals for 1500-2000HP, hitting the most badly injured for 720HP each, my major heal hist for over 500HP.

 

[Urgat Rip-Eye]

Yep.

Tested again, as havent tried for a long time.

Desease DOES break Mezz. (PVE at least - anyone confirm in RvR?)

 

[zapzap]

It break mess ........


OH well i guess all Healers should have fun and spec 50 aug then who likes healing

 

[old.Spug]

no point in 50 aug on a healer imo, but thats for another discussion (I specced out of aug on my healer, wasnt enough bonuses to the line to make it worthwhile)

 

[buppor]

hey hey hey

shamys are:
BUFFBOTS---> this littles kobbis and trolls following the gothis in emain all day funny to see
AUG/HEAL---> GIMP! make one healer no shamy for heal, this heals sucks, no intats, only better buffs, but, you have buffbot for this!!.
Cave----> Easy to kill tanks casters, if you have purge infils and all, good to go alone, but always find albi zerg , and die, very good to defend keeps.

Buppor turbolover, 6r4 cave shamy 50 dots mezzbroker and lot of bad things more.
Baenre everhate, 3r3 warrior 50, ehhh hate shield tanks
Gimperator, 2r4 savage power 44

 

[Cush]

Aug/mend shaman fill a very important part in a group.
And to beat the best you need to put up the best aswell.

Some might see this as a solo game. I see it to be played with 7 other ppl. And the most fun is when you get all the right ppl togheter playing the right chars.

 

[soth-zorena]

ïmo shamans are best specced buffbots with no cave and mending and do their part of healing and buff the group thats where they do their best ... imo

 

[Surgeon-Elite]

I think shamans are great as support chars. You tend to find loadsa damage dealers in mid and not enuff healers/shammies in rvr. So i let the zerkers dish the dmg rather than trying to ae dot everyone while the zerk dying.

I have been have 37 aug for end regen 4 and am going 35 mend for grp frigg 2. i just stayed in the backline and hope to not get noticed while healing my brains out.. it actually works really well vs albs normally.

However if u come across alot of mages as in hib grps (if there is no healer present to mez) the ae dot while definately do wonders to interrupt the casters spells.

All in all i found playing shaman in rvr as 1 of the most satisfying experiences.

 

[Glacier]

Why not go 32Aug/35Mend/25Cave? seems like a good overall spec imo.. but then again, what do i knwo, never played a shammy...

 

[Makwaerk]

well the group as a hole gains more from higher aug imo, thats why ;D