Shadowblades and infiltrators...

[pudzy]

Something on alot of peoples mind's and maybe something said in the passed...

Having a lvl 50 Shadowblade this would be expected but too be honest I think I have a point..

Shadowblades:

We get 2.2x per lvl i think

Making a critblade is all good and fine we are very powerful but when we're hit first our chances are the lowest of all stealthers - so people have made 5 spec sb's using a combination of axes and envenom to replace alot of the cs spec:

My thinking..

Critblade:

Advantages:

More one hit kills
Higher cs damage
2h sword ability

Disadvantages:

Slow
Low envenom
When cornered we suck
Lose 90% of fights when we're struck with embalance and lifebane first

Zerkerblade 5spec:

Advantages:

duel wield
Great moves like double frost to use when cornered
Fast attack speed
More envenom

Disadvantages:

Fewer 1hit kills


Infiltrators:

They get x2.5 per lvl spec points

Most infils use 2 stilleto's and are a fantastic of the mark class can leap into action hitting fast and hard, and 99% of well specced infils will have 50cs and Lifebane at lvl 50.

Advantages:

Very fast
duel wield
more spec points
ability to have full cs and lifebane

Disadvantages:

Lower tolerance of damage

Previouse patches had the ability to 1hit and keep stealth which is the whole advantage of critblade's and most infils hitting blue blues dunno if they can 1 hit yelow casters - since we lost this ability everyone has gone 5spec - thus being infil-type just with around 466 less spec points to spend than an infil...

This is all purely my view I dont wish to take offence to Infiltrators cos I get along with alot of ya like Jadow and Derric just feel your overpowered monkeys

Feel free to point out my mistakes as I'm sure alot of people will but I would like to see some support

 

[Elrond/Ruffting]

It raises the question...why do infiltrators have the unfair advantage of more spec points than shadowblades and nightshades?

 

[Solid]

There is absolutely no justicication except Mythic say SB given more hp (about extra 50 ho more, its not even worth considering)

 

[Jexa]

One thing you've missed out ... is the best spec for infi's includes 50 thrust. Not only is thrust good against all Middies (more or less ), but the 50 style chains off evade. With the recent patches, and dodger realm abilities, you may have noticed infiltrators evading quite a bit. So if they are cornered, wait for the evade, and get a dragonfang off. With its 6/9 second stun (Not sure which), they really have a good chance against most classes. Also given the fact they can chain 4 dragonfangs off 1 evade, it's pretty uber.

This is -if- they get into that situation. Normally the PA->CD->SS line is good enough, I guess . Also with their lovely vanish RA, once every 30 mins, in a hard fight, they can PA->CD->SS->Vanish->PA->CD->SS .... there ain't much that's gonna live thru that.

Shadowblades get ... shadowwalk? Or something, which, in comparison, seems pretty useless to me.

Urhh, by the way, I've never played any assassin class, so don't be too harsh on me if i'm wrong

 

[Solid]

you are pretty much bang on. Dragon fangs a 9 sec stun.

Infs will go Either 50 CS or 50 Thrust (The slashers always go 50 CS and the Thrusters go 50 Thrust)

yes all good infils have Lifebane by around RR4, have 50+ in CS,m Weapon, Stealth, Env at RR5 guaranteed and probably about 35 in DW.

no SB can achieve that with their spec points, and same for NS. Combined with the fact DW scales in damage with level and not spec, ie as they level infs get better DW damage, converse is true with Left Axe

But Pudz yes a 5 spec is the best way to go, Death is a 5 spec variant, as is Myrddins as are many upcoming SB oj Prydwen, (inc me and Blejs )

 

[old.Jadow]

Shadowblades get two handed weapons. I'd probably say that alone is worth the extra spec points.

Nightshades get dd's and stuff, and there's sod all of them yet anyways on this server. Apparently NS's are a nicely balanced class though.

Jadow
Level 50 Infiltrator
Saracen Gryphon Knight
Servants of The Lake
"The People's Gimp"

 

[Solid]

only full critblades go 2H. thast 1 of the 4 SB variants, rst all use 2 axes.

ALL Infils use all 5 of their skill lines, 1/5th of SB do.

 

[Jupitus]

/em thinks Solid is getting nervous about old Jupi - level 48 now and rising... Solid quite high up the list of targets...



I AM TEH EWUL JUPTIUS!!!!!!11 (tm)

 

[pudzy]

Jadow m8 my 2h weapons is absolutely pathetic after life bane and embalencing you should know you admitted it yourself to me

As for critblades - I'm not doing too bad but in meele im f'in useless cos of speed so chances are I might respec unless something is changed. Even so 5spec.. with 2.2x ... still underpowered.

 

[Solid]

Critblades are speciality killers, they go after casters.
Critblades dont attack even con tanks, infils do, ever wonder why?, here is a hit "shhhhh toooo pointttee faaaaafe speeeec poiiiiints"

 

[ignore]

i know..i know!

Maybe coz ur pa'ing avalonians with about 500 hp and we have to pa fat jaffas like zarff with about 10000 hp
Dwarf casters r evil

And about crit blades, take an example outta azal, he hurts me with that 10 feet toothpick

and... DONT NERF INFILS!

 

[svartalf]

In defence of infils... haha, yeah i know..

I dun think albion get's Ignore Pain. This is our real alternative to vanish.. that shadowrun thing is specced only by the stupid IMHO, about as useful as Lifter or Master of Water (WTF?)...also.. 2h weapon is not much compensation but we have the option to be able to take out a caster and then die (to keep guards/other enemies), notching up 500-900rp in one go.. nice work if you can be bothered riding a horse all day.. so it's not all bad as Shadowblade.

I gotta say, I avoid most even cons. Kinda lame really, but it's the way my class lives I guess. Consider who infils have a chance against compared to a SB and you'll see the difference..

 

[old.Hellskor]

If I would get 2.5x Specc points on my SB I'd never touch a 2handed Weapon again.

Edit : typo

 

[ignore]

Infil..RA's...

Ow but we do GOT ignore pain, we're all speccing in dodger so we can dragonfang u very soon
sorry Svartalf Ill guess u have to come albion now,...i got a very nice lvl 6 belt for u

 

[pudzy]

Quote:

If I would get 2.5x Specc points on my SB if I'd never touch a 2handed Weapon again.


I'd trade 2.5x per lvl for a 2h wep anyday

 

[old.Iunliten]

Shadowblades are good atm, feel poor for the nightshades though who takes a 60 Damage DD(don't quote me on number just a figure) for 0.3 specc point.

Well well live, be happy and doublefrost all those infs until they bleed.

 

[old.Jadow]

Yeah we can get ignore pain if we want it but frankly if i get into the point where i'm losing hit points, I generally lose them so fast that a one hit 100% isntaheal wouldn't make much difference anyways. I come out of fights either completely unhurt or dead. It's really not an infy thing and for 23(?)ish points it's a bit mad. Vanish at 10 points is scarey and is bugged to hell and back, but can be fun for ganking casters in the middle of zergs then running like it ain't no thing.

Also could for the PA+CD+SS+*vanish*+PA+CD+SS combo on tanks with IP

Jadow
Level 50 Infiltrator
Saracen Gryphon Knight
Servants of The Lake
"The People's Gimp"

 

[Tjalfe]

If u look at what the diff. assasins get in spec possibilities / spec points / RA skills there is no doubt about it.

INFIL>SB>NS

but i have fun with my SB atm. can kill any alb class... just abit hard with those lvl 50 minstrels/clerics atm. =(

i dont share your point svartalf, might be the critblade thats having trouble .... with even con, but i think i can also about as many classes as a infil.

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by Jupitus
/em thinks Solid is getting nervous about old Jupi - level 48 now and rising... Solid quite high up the list of targets...



I AM TEH EWUL JUPTIUS!!!!!!11 (tm)

24k rp.. ooh im shaking.. and at your speed, i'll probably get my last 12 levels on the sb before you get your 2 levels

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by old.Blood|Prydwen


24k rp.. ooh im shaking.. and at your speed, i'll probably get my last 12 levels on the sb before you get your 2 levels

Ooooo so here you are blood!

You didn't answer me the last time you flamed me.... where did you go and hide????

Its 27k now - go check, and it'll keep on rising.......

Come get me......

Jup.

 

[svartalf]

Re: Infil..RA's...

Originally posted by ignore
sorry Svartalf Ill guess u have to come albion now,...i got a very nice lvl 6 belt for u

COME to albion? I've been there lots.. and where's the albs? Emain! Go home, or don't you like albion?

Ooh a level 6 belt.. errr.. do i get the full service with that?

Originally posted by old.Jadow
Yeah we can get ignore pain if we want it but frankly if i get into the point where i'm losing hit points, I generally lose them so fast that a one hit 100% isntaheal wouldn't make much difference anyways. I come out of fights either completely unhurt or dead

1) Bah.. IP as well
2) yeah, but this being said, i wonder how many times that you're dead you would be alive if you specced IP

Originally posted by Tjalfe
u look at what the diff. assasins get in spec possibilities / spec points / RA skills there is no doubt about it.

INFIL>SB>NS

but i have fun with my SB atm. can kill any alb class... just abit hard with those lvl 50 minstrels/clerics atm. =(

i dont share your point svartalf, might be the critblade thats having trouble .... with even con, but i think i can also about as many classes as a infil.

I think it might well be the critblade thing, but i'm more inclined to think it might be the norseman thing.. you're the equivalent of highlander as assassin.. that's a big deal i think.

I can't believe you solo clerics and paladins.. I mean.. there's no way i can kill a (half intelligent, - i mean you might be running into ppl playing straight after the pub or something) even-con pally.. this is a guy whose armour takes my PA down to as little as 151 (yes! 151hp)... 1700+hp compared to my 1000, (no i have no buffbot.. maybe this is the real realm ability i'm missing).. and he can also heal himself... That's a recipe for SB disaster.

 

[old.Emma]

actually i did solo a yellow con pally a long time ago, must have been around patch 1.36 maybe 1.45 i think, i was lvl 44 at the time (for those that remember Emma from back then, before i re rolled her). I was stealthed at amg on the window ledge alb side, i see this tank coming clicked on him, ahh yellow... I then wondered if i could solo a tank, so still stealthed i waited for him to approach amg gate, as he got close i just dropped down infront of him, PA-CD-SS later and couple garottes later and he died. Not sure if the senario would be the same with a 50 pally using epic armour, but it does prove that sb`s can solo pallies.. On the other hand that fight was just pure luck and excellent timing on my behave. Might have been the only tank and time i`d solo a tank class player. Yet infils solo tanks all the time, maybe not one after another but im pretty sure once every 30 mins they can down a tank

 

[pudzy]

May already have beed pointed out:

What on gods earth possessed the designers of daoc to come with with wait for it... Shadowrun .. the most useless skill known in the game... I personally would prefer the ability to disapear out of sight anywhere any time.. oh waiiiiit infils can! Vanish.

My only thought is that the designers of the game have alb chars.

 

[Tjalfe]

Svartalf: i must admit that its very hard to kill "hardcore" cleric , next to imposibel with all the mess/stun instant heal etc. but it can be done ... mostly ends up with cleric running back to apk ... or i get zerked in the meantime, becuase the fight takes to long.

but a pala is really a easy target, many times i dont even lose 20% health fighting down a yellow pala (even in epic) true that my crit hits for almost nothing (even less then yours) but its only to get the PA + CD chain off!.... but still hit for a 100 dam with my DF on plate ... and im packing a nasty DOT!

here are a few of those plates that i have taken down 1on1

Darkday = 50 Arms.
Aarnie = 50 Arms.
Ank = 50 Warden.
Endbringer = 46 Arms.
Eliar = 50 Pala.
Acorn = 50 Pala.


I like being norse, but acording to some "nameless" sb in my guild, im gimped becuase i choise norse instead of kobold =)

 

[ignore]

o v e r p o w e r e d

 

[Tjalfe]

OMG .... just when i write Pala are easy i get killed by a Araudry in 1on1 =(

nice going Araudry ....

"i correct my statement .... paladin are overpowered and need to be nerfed =)"

 

[old.Hendrick]

I'd like to try you on once, Tjalfe. I recently killed Narve after he PAd me when I was sitting. He used ignore pain and still I beat him with about 20% health left. I wonder how I would go against a shadowzerker.

 

[Tjalfe]

would be more then willing to fight "dirty" with you hendrick, never taken down a lvl 50 BM.

im not a shadowzerk, if thats what you are thinking.

"just a small reminder, you got a 10% melee bonus add"

 

[old.k70]

Haven't read the whole thread but usually a few things aren't mentioned on these threads: [Edit: Read it now :]

Shadowblades which use left axe always hit with both weapons. This means that they have a guaranteed chance to proc both poisons. Being able to PA+dot+disease and just jump from the keep is a big advantage. Infiltrators have to spend a lot of points in DW to be able to get a fairly good chance to swing both weapons and will never get even close to 100%.

With the upcoming of all these RA instants like purge and IP you maybe want to play a critblade again to avoid those pain-in-the-ass abilities.

I don't know if there are some recent changes to left axe but the last thing i heard is that it does more damage while you use styles while dual wield is better when you are out of endurance. Go figure which one is better.

I think that Infiltrators with thrust 50 are _slightly_ better than Shadowblades but certainly nothing to start a thread about. Can't really comment on Nightshades but everyone says they are the gimps of the gimps so rather feel pity for them than look at the grass in albion

 

[old.Emma]

Shadowzerks are powerful chars, im only lvl 40 and still hit alb epic plate for 80 dmg total on both weapons, hit Artemis last night for 140 ish. soon got ganked by gladiator though but i know that at lvl 50 i can easily do upto 300 dmg with la styles on alb leather if im right in thinking thats 3 hits and most infils are down... ohh wait maybe 6 cos they`ll use ip