- Dec 24, 2003
Maybe a read it incorrectly, or i don't fully understand - but from my point of view its as simple as this...Weaponskill - The paradigm of a dex based class still being force to used str based weapons while our counterparts do not still remains an issue.
Start a TL thread on this and let's get some weapon skill tests done to identify what, if any, discrepancy exists.
I was using it in terms of who had access to what type of weapon, as such SBs don't have access to a weapon type who's damage/weaponskill is based on dexterity.Mabs said:SLASH Infs = Str based weapons
That's no solution for reasons that Jox stated for instance, and the fact that it doesn't fit with Norse mythology at all.Archeon said:Problem:
Infs = Dex Based Weapons
NS = Dex Based Weapons
SB = no Dex Based Weapons
SB = Dex Based Weapons
Its just silly to try to make 2-hander viable, it wont work. There are way to many backdrafts;Herjulf said:I would LOVE to see some serious attention given to 2-H use.
The gift of the ability to use 2-H weapon is supposed to be an advantage and not the opposite.
Ofc it must have some disadvantages, everything must.
But it must have superior damage wise advantages to any1 who dual wields.
If not something is wrong imo.
There must be some reason, dual wielding gives so many more advantages vs 2-H like dual poisons, less chance of evade/(block?)
Thus 2-H should make a helluvalot more CS damage then it does.
But as it is at my 2-H weapon PA damage can be matched by Inf/NS 1-H, if not in all cases matched but never more then 50-80 dmg away.
I am currently working on a somewhat extensive logging of PA damage.
And Hamstring + leaper combo damage between the 1-H DW/LA vs 2-H.
PA dmg diffenrence is low in comparison but Hamstring dmg varies more.
I suspect we have found a bug there.
That would put you at an advantage over norse Blades who only did +10 to str ;pJox said:If they would try to fix sbs by adding a dex-based line I would throw Jox in the garbage can(I took norse and added +15 to strength just to maximize my damage output with the only option I had; slash).
My view on that solution for sbs; uke:
i dissagree babbling about 2-h is a must, there just have to be some alternative to shadowzerk, that can compete.Jox said:Its just silly to try to make 2-hander viable, it wont work. There are way to many backdrafts;
The evade bug.
Only one poison.
5-years to cd.
Even if they boosted the damage with 50% it wouldnt be worth it. I remember when I dueled Ztyx a couple of times as cb. Sometimes I went down without scoring a single hit, lol.
I think they should focus on the damage disparity we sbs feel these days instead of bable about some 2-hander-fluff.
And there is no bug regarding pa/hamstring. PA aint a ordinary style, the damage is fixed. The only thing that makes pa differ is;
cs, weaponsskill, strength, weaponspeed, Lvl against the victims armor/af, resistance bla bla bla whatever.
Hamstring is a ordinary style with a build in random factor.
I never liked SZ, found it rather sucky tbh. Did much better as CB and even better with my current spec; so please don't make it sound like SZ is the only viable option.Herjulf said:there just have to be some alternative to shadowzerk, that can compete.
Imho - SZ are only good vs other assasins, but lack the ability to take down casters fast enough (that is if you solo). CB really lack in-combat-stun in case CD does not land. I've been both SZ/CB, but after lowering EN to 24 I ended up with a template that is by far the best I've ever had. At least for me fixing 2H would be a nice utility. Either land PA on cloth caster for 1-shot or 2-shot with a quick switch to 2H on CD. In addition when figthing Tanks it is often better to only do a 2H PA, skip CD, switch to duelwield mode and still have FG for a stun b4 they IP etc.Whisperess said:I never liked SZ, found it rather sucky tbh. Did much better as CB and even better with my current spec; so please don't make it sound like SZ is the only viable option.