Shademaster ???

[Punishment]

I autotrained my elf ns to 40 on stealth and was wondering how viable this spec is for a stealthhunter ns as killing casters nowadays is teh m00

50 CD
38+13 Blades
37+13 Stealth
34+13 Env<for lev 47 dot>

Prolly make a temp with gov+ms+malice mainhand+bladeshadow offhand++26 str +20 dex caps or so.

Will i be gimp ?

 

[sphir]

forget blades and go pierce

 

[Punishment]

Malice proc>Diamond back imo xD

Also , doesnt the blades block reactionary <horizon blade i think> now give a 2 sec stun as an evade reactionary now ? Would give time to strafffzorre teh full sidechain xD

 

[sphir]

sure, be fotm and go blades, your choise

ive been both and i would choose pierce anytime over blades, i simply dont like my dmg output with blades compared to the highdmg on pierce with legendary weapons, and DB can sometimes be a i-win.

had str3 mop3 mos3 purge2 as blades, template;
25str cap
400hits cap
13con cap
49qui
crush/thrust/slash 25-26
body/heat 24-25
rest decent.

ok i might have high hits and still have the caps/toa bonus's

but when i went pierce with 19str/dex cap only 200hits in template and about same resists, and with that i did alot more dmg and its the spec i prefer to play with and suits me best.

<3 XD

 

[Punishment]

Well i was wrong above when i said Horizon blade 2 sec stun was an evade reactionary , just checked latest patch notes and its return blade instead , i think one of the follow ups is a stun as its a 3 move chain , so no 1 move stun to haxx teh sidechain , well ty for imput anyways sphir

<3

 

[Neffneff]

CS spec doesnt just offer PA/BS2 yer know ^^ its anytime and evade moves are some of the highest dmging in the game...above n beyond that of CD.

 

[Punishment]

Well i am aware that Cs styles have prolly the highest damage growth rate of all , but i would prefer good anytime damage for killing stealthers , which is what i aim to do with Deception <my ns> , basically i want to pop another stealther out of stealth b4 they can get a crit opening off and tear them apart <3

I have anger issues ;D

 

[Neffneff]

garrota chain offers such a high dmg "rippin" apart anytime move ^^

 

[Mastade]

Getting in stuff like, hamstring and Achilles heal gives you so much more than what u get from CD

 

[Aiteal]

CS spec doesnt just offer PA/BS2 yer know ^^ its anytime and evade moves are some of the highest dmging in the game...above n beyond that of CD.

And they look sexier
which is much more important

look good
die fast
and leave a sexy looking corpse

 

[Ronso]

I would not go bladeshade considering most shades use stre/con debuff poisons and if u get hit with that - then ure dmg is pretty much out the window.

 

[Petwick(Ebony Hand)]

pierce all the way unless u high RR

DB+Hammy+hammy+leaper+rib seperation ftw

and u need the quick kill moves,Garotte and Achiies Heal cause if u stay unstealthed for mre than 10 seconds u get a fg on ya ass

 

[Meradesh]

hib openning styles sucks, piercing gives higher dmg overall, blades is great vs mid stealthers & use battler/malice charge each combat helps a lot.

 

[Solari]

Not speccing CS is just suicide.
If you want a high cd stealth hunter roll a ranger =/ Purge the enemy's poisons and you will outlast him anyday if he's a cd spec.
And getting the first hit on a sb/inf with a CS spec isn't actually gonna mean you'll win since they will outdamage you by far.

 

[Ogen]

had str3 mop3 mos3 purge2 as blades, template;
25str cap
400hits cap
13con cap
49qui
crush/thrust/slash 25-26
body/heat 24-25
rest decent.

ok i might have high hits and still have the caps/toa bonus's

<3 XD

Think +200hit cap is max tbh. Tho i agree, pierce > blades. Maybe blades if you could be celt ns, but you cant.

 

[Adari]

I beg to differ.

50 CD and 51 pierce is an excellent spec if you use leggies, it's damage output is fine, you have a great anytimer, brilliant positionals and a 5 second stun after which you can use blinding rain/blizzard; good damage after evade styles with asd and bleed effects.

50 Blades 4x CD is a decent spec, fire blade and spectrum blade have good effects, the back chain does good damage and malice proc is win.

However, you must be at least RR5 before going blades Punishment, str/con will fuck you up and you will have a hard time getting arpees when you have debuffed dmg output as a brehon.

I'd suggest going CD/Pierce untill RR5, you'll probably be bored of it by then, then respeccing to Blades/CD (Not CD/Blades, unlike what people think - wyrd spec is retarded when going blades, even mudmen will be evading all your hits.) or Blades/CS (Again, I tried both 44 Blades/44 CS and 51 Blades modded, higher CD n 50 CS, and my first spec was a lot better than my second.. there's no point in going 50 CS to get high damage after evade styles, when your opponent will be the only one doing the evading.

Anyway, some tard will probably disagree with me.

 

[Neffneff]

wher eim recommending not to bother with 50 CD and no CS, i also dont advocate 50 CS unless you're a high RR either btw...my personal minimum CD is 30..and even that makes me wanna cry...44 CS is a decent minimum for that line. at lower RRs i wouldnt recomend blades, its a bitch hard route til RR5 and remedy. also at lower RR, to free up some points it seems beneficial to have composite 37 envenom not 47. i took that route and i ripped my way through assasins i shouldnt have been able to.

my personal fave spec for @ RR3 would be somethin like:

37 stealth
37 pierce
45 CS
33 CD
24 env.

would hold a similar spec until i had enough RR to up env. to 47 without losing too much CD

 

[sphir]

Think +200hit cap is max tbh. Tho i agree, pierce > blades. Maybe blades if you could be celt ns, but you cant.

yep, my bad ment i had 400hits in template but thats 200 to hp cap aye

 

[Frozodo]

u can still use Malice proc even tho u r a piercer m8......

 

[Fianno]

you cant use the proc but you can use the charge

 

[Melachi]

If I was rolling a Nightshade I would go 50CD myself.

Id use Malice mainhand, Croc tooth dagger (assuming it can be a blades weap in hib) in off-hand.

When your rr5, your going to be a nasty target, Str/con poison debuff, dex/qui proc debuff, 25% all stat debuff...

Also, CS does have higher growthrates on styles, but raising CD which also has decent styles, also raises your chance to hit off-hand, and im gonna make the assumption that...

51weap, 50CD 0CS will outdamage 51weap, 50CS 0CD

 

[Dumle]

I would not go bladeshade considering most shades use stre/con debuff poisons and if u get hit with that - then ure dmg is pretty much out the window.

Thats what you have remedy for


(After RR5 that is)

 

[Neffneff]

51weap, 50CD 0CS will outdamage 51weap, 50CS 0CD

prolly true..that's be why its foolish to run round with 0 CD

you can spec in both you know that right?

 

[Adari]

Yes you can, the difference between 50 CD + 11 + (RR-1) and 2x-3x CD however is significant.

 

[Slytale]

hmmm ...


by far for me .. the most effective spec has been :
50 pierce , 46 cd , 0 cs , 28 env , 31 stealth @ RR9 - no auto
dmg output variance is minimal and cd style damage is brilliant.

When going blade is definately recommend looking at that when you get remedy at RR5 +

you HAVE to spec CS to make blades viable , damage output with blade / cd styles will be rather dissapointing. Malice proc is a winner in most cases combined with str /con debuff .

50blades , 44 cs is an excellent spec. I have my reservations around wyrds spec being effective. ( croc toof is piierce only afiaik , but offhand doesnt affect ws ) you would essentially be doing both pierce and blades dmg.


CS spec takes alot more patience and practice .. not recommended for lowby RR.

 

[Adari]

Be wearing good pant though.

 

[Neffneff]

Yes you can, the difference between 50 CD + 11 + (RR-1) and 2x-3x CD however is significant.

the difference between 50 CD+11 and my starter CD sec of 33+11 is exactly 17...or 8% chance to double hit. i'd trade that anyday for my CS styles.

 

[Punishment]

All Very good arguements fellas , ty for imput <3

Now where is Bladesong for my rp-pl ? xD

 

[Adari]

the difference between 50 CD+11 and my starter CD sec of 33+11 is exactly 17...or 8% chance to double hit. i'd trade that anyday for my CS styles.

and you should.

 

[Neffneff]

just wanna add somethin though. i have played a fair few hib classes in my time, but never in all that time has a class had soooo many specs that work. i do think CS+pierce+reasonable amount of CD, is the easiest to play once you got used to it, but there are so many vairations to each spec type that i think with stealth+evade7 an awfully ridiculous number of specs can perform admirably.

i would recomend pierce till RR5 then respec blades if you want..i played RR1-3 with blades then respecced pierce and it became a million times easier. but now i have remedy im almost tempted to get the blades out.