Second Installment of Shadowblade, Infiltrator or Nightshade!

[bone_idle]

Originally posted by Jenkz
I can understand this spec AF argument from an SB POV, but from a buffed NS POV i cant.

best cleric spec AF was proven to be around a 14% absorb?

http://www.camelotherald.com/spells/spell.php?s=2745&level=50

20% conc hast

so, you're doing 20% more damage from haste, and infi is taking 14% less...

i have a lowish RR infil, and he gets his arse handed to him on a plate by buffed up NS and rangers (RR5 or less, RR7+ and goodday ) dragonfang or spec cleric AF or not.

This means because a NS is hitting faster it gives more chance for a Infil to evade and spam DF.

 

[bone_idle]

Originally posted by Derric
Read patch notes. 0o

Last time i saw any changes to hib was the BM change. 1.62 i think. Was meant to be a Hib love patch but ALb got more loving than Hib did.

<edit> Just spent a bit of time reading 1.65 patch notes as you requested. Only change Hibernia has is Warden change and focus nerf. MAJOR changes to mid classes and MORE boosts to Alb classes. I give up.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Jenkz
I can understand this spec AF argument from an SB POV, but from a buffed NS POV i cant.

best cleric spec AF was proven to be around a 14% absorb?

http://www.camelotherald.com/spells/spell.php?s=2745&level=50

20% conc hast

so, you're doing 20% more damage from haste, and infi is taking 14% less...

i have a lowish RR infil, and he gets his arse handed to him on a plate by buffed up NS and rangers (RR5 or less, RR7+ and goodday ) dragonfang or spec cleric AF or not.

20% faster swing != 20% more dmg unfortunately.


and how the hell can you accept dragonfang as being reasonable unless you think its fair you have a fighting chance once every 30 mins jaem?

 

[Melachi-]

Re: Re: Re: Second Installment of Shadowblade, Infiltrator or Nightshade!

Originally posted by Cavex ElSaviour
No, by a SB

He has an infil afaik also

 

[old.Hellskor]

Originally posted by Aussie-
yes its fair, you're so dumb to make kobold sb

what's the line under the Shadowblade class description during the character creation ?

'Kobolds are excellent Shadowblades'

'Norseman are medicore Shadowblades'

something along those lines


back in 1.36 people believed quickness would affect run speed

 

[Derric]

It doesn't?!??

 

[Muh]

Originally posted by Jaem
2.5x points is obivously better then other assasins.

Dragonfang I can live with as theres purge to counter it.

Atm, infil as a class is very fotm, and I haven't any respect for those who make an alt to just fotm wtfpwn someone.

As some other poster pointed out, how can u accept to be
dependend on a 30min RA to survive every lowbie, df spamming
infil ?

And the point the poster made about infil not beeing the God
he's made out to be, cuz he could get slammed, have no purge, and get backstyled by 2h crush tanks. What would happen to a sb or ns getting slammed by a armsman that whiped out pole and start smacking on you ? I got smacked for 760 by a polearms
the other day, and that was with a 5.5 spd thrust pole, i dont
dare think of what that would be with the 6.0 slash one.

Imo assasins shouldnt be able to kill tanks as easily as they
do today, and argumenting that the infil isnt so overpowered,
just cuz a tank can kill him easiliy if his purge is down, that's silly.

 

[Indiana Jones]

hello?? can you ppl stop comparing df infils with slash infils

slash infils have no stun at all, none !!!(except for the PA-CD-SS, but every assassin has that)
Only a super buffed slash infil with high RR, can take down a tank

So pls stop yelling that infils are overpowered and need to be nerfed. Infils with DF are overpowered, slash infils are just fine

 

[Jaem]

well I think ever class has a strong point and weak point, just got to face that you need RA's to help kill some classes, and some you don't. Some class abities will own you, some won't.

You can't say people don't sit around waiting for such RA's, cause they do.

but hey, my opinion.

 

[DaggerElivager]

I hate to say it but i agree with indiana.

Slash infils hit bludy hard but dont have the stun which means more tactics and skill on both infil and enemy are needed.

Thrust infils are overpowered but i think slash isnt as bad, even though they used to rip my sb to shreds in about 3 hits

 

[Melachi-]

Personally, i think DragonFang is not whats overpowered about infiltrators, its a combination of 2.5x spec points and the DW mechanics. DW far outperforms LA nowadays (lets not get into this but it does at low spec and high spec) and the fact that an infil can get high weapon skill and high dw and some critical strike. Slash infils are still overpowered Indiana im afraid. But in truth, i really dont care that infils are overpowered. Im more concerend with savages since they seem to have destroyed RvR on prydwen

 

[zapzap]

fix the spec AF to group only !
Think that would help alot without nerfing infils

 

[ironhand]

A good post Durgi.



I think the answer to the question why did infs get 2.5 spec points, is before the LA nerf SBs were a lot more potent. At the end of the day its all mythics fault nothing we can do about it. Loads of unbalance in the game savage BD's etc


Imo mythic has traded 1 class for another, Savages are overpowered, Sbs/Zerkers took a hit from the nerf bat, Zerkers were replaced with savages. In many ways midgard has benifited from it if you look at it in that sense. For 1 thing you wouldnt have the amount of high RR players over there now if savages were as balanced as zerkers used to be. RvR has evovled.

Before Albs zerged all & Mid had more active numbers of solo SB's
Now Alb gets beats by Savages & Albs roll Infs



Its all Swings & Round abouts at the end of the day. On the 1 hand Albs controled open RvR on this Server now Mids do. With the other hand you have Albs ruling the Stealth RvR, where as before it was perhaps more balanced even bais towards mids.


Like they say every dog has his day.



Sbs get throwing axe's afaik

Infs get Xbow

NS get Insta DD and castable DD

 

[bigchief]

Originally posted by bone_idle
This means because a NS is hitting faster it gives more chance for a Infil to evade and spam DF.

Also gives the ns time to get in a hit after the evade due to the speed they hit b4 the inf without the haste and quite often slower weapons can land df (happens alot vs ns's).

And for the ppl yet again whinging about df the second someone mentions infils. If you PA->CD (ie what the non DW spec infils are supposed to do to do any damage) then dragonfang is useless. Sigh. Relying on DF is pointless, the only ppl that whine about it are ones that have been on the recieving end of it once and lost. Ive lost fights where ive df'd, alot of ppl get purge as first RA too. yes its a 10pt RA but guess what. Thats what its there for. To purge thinks like DF. Do you see non shield tanks bitching like fk about slam? No, I didnt think so...

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Yes, you could get similar PA damage using a onehand buffed, but there is no way in hell youll do that damage with CD and SS w/o massive crits as a onehander. PA doesnt favour slow weapons much due to how the damage is calculated, CD and SS are normal styles tho and hence damage skyrockets OFC 2hand isnt exactly a viable choice vs other assasins

This buffbot whining is getting old, Id personally take perma haste buff over AF buff any day of the week.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Indiana Jones
hello?? can you ppl stop comparing df infils with slash infils

slash infils have no stun at all, none !!!(except for the PA-CD-SS, but every assassin has that)
Only a super buffed slash infil with high RR, can take down a tank

So pls stop yelling that infils are overpowered and need to be nerfed. Infils with DF are overpowered, slash infils are just fine

slash infils arent as overpowered as df-infs ofc, but they still have an advantage against their counterparts. Slash inf is kinda comparable to a cap-quickness zerker pre nerf (if you look big at it) As little overpoweredness as you can still manage to play with ^^

 

[-Creep-]

20% haste isn't really that good.. faster weaponspeed lowers the style bonus so its not really 20% more melee dmg.. more like 5% tops

 

[-Creep-]

and see it like this.. an infil killing 1ranger+1ns solo is something i see everytime im out trying to get some rps

 

[Damon_D]

Guesse what Durgi , SB's get totaly owned by the other realms tank classes too..atleast if the tank has half a brain. Infil's still out class SB's by a mile........

 

[Cavex ElSaviour]

Originally posted by Damon_D
Guesse what Durgi , SB's get totaly owned by the other realms tank classes too..atleast if the tank has half a brain. Infil's still out class SB's by a mile........

NOOO, thats a big FAT lie, a SB loosing from an armsman in a 1 vs 1 fight is an urban legend.

DO NOT LISTEN TO THAT MAN, repeat, DO NOT LISTEN TO THAT MAN> he is insane. keep attacking solo armsman in a 1 vs 1 fight

 

[Lochlyessa]

Originally posted by Indiana Jones
hello?? can you ppl stop comparing df infils with slash infils

slash infils have no stun at all, none !!!(except for the PA-CD-SS, but every assassin has that)
Only a super buffed slash infil with high RR, can take down a tank

So pls stop yelling that infils are overpowered and need to be nerfed. Infils with DF are overpowered, slash infils are just fine

I have to disagree :/

I have a rr3 slash infil, had leeched yellow buffs off someones bot, and went happily along to amg. Got jumped by 4 sbs, killed 2 and got the 3rd to 10%..

Now, unless I suddenly evolved into some sort of daoc goddess, I'd say that, that was a bit OTT... anyway, died to the other 2, released and came back feeling a bit.. woo, I'm on a roll \o/

Got to mmg without meeting anything, which was a shame cos I wanted to kill the last 2 sbs ^^, anyway, was a rr4 savage running around mmg, obviously looking for infils. Now, normally I don't even think about attacking savages, but was feeling lucky after the sb incident.. so PA'd him ;o

Got him to 20% after pa>cd>ss>ame, then he ip'ed Obviously thinking ffs at this point, I considering kiting, but teh annoying back stun persuaded me not to.. anyway, after quite a few evade combos, savage is on 1%, i'm on 20%. Really like woo \o/ now, then he quaded and killed me.

Soooooooooooo, the point of this story is, even slash infils are overpowered when buffed, but savages smell

 

[ironhand]

Originally posted by Damon_D
SB's get totaly owned by the other realms tank classes too..atleast if the tank has half a brain.

Yea and the point? Assasins were never designed to kill tanks, that why tanks are tanks to be master of melee in uber armour etc etc Whether or not Assasins do & can kill tanks is another matter, why whine about it just accept what scraps Mythic throw us.

 

[Arlone]

Originally posted by Arnor
slash infils arent as overpowered as df-infs ofc, but they still have an advantage against their counterparts. Slash inf is kinda comparable to a cap-quickness zerker pre nerf (if you look big at it) As little overpoweredness as you can still manage to play with ^^

then as a slash inf can I whine that SBs have a ~7 sec stun after evade-thingie .. and NS have a 5 sec stun also after evade. I got no stun except CD ... WAaaaaaaaaAAH

This issue can't be because of DF...

Problem is that SBs are so used to their old uberLA-damage that they dont even try to PA, or even BS (sooo easy to land on stealthers), anymore. See a stealther - target and engage. Sorry .. doesnt work like that anymore

And for the record I was "pwnd" by SBs just as many times as I killed them today. Fair imo.

 

[Arlone]

Originally posted by Lochlyessa
I have to disagree :/

blah blah long text...

Those 4 SBs must have been unbuffed .. or you're just plain uber

... 4 SBs hitting you for ~80-100 (I usually get hit for more tho) damage per swing would take me down in approx. 4 seconds. Leaving one SB at 70% health and rest at 100%.

I don't buy that story if you tell me the SBs where buffed and all hitting you

 

[Lochlyessa]

As I said on irc, 3 shotted first sb, other 3 all either failed pa orjust went into melee (infront of me .. ^^) had quite a few evades, killed 2nd sb, was on 50% or so, 3rd sb was shadowdweller, took him to 10% in ame > dia > ame, then he evaded the dia that woulda killed him, and killed me :l

 

[Arlone]

must be that I lack dia-slash! Still on 47 slash until I reach rr5 and can respec to 50. I would respec away 44 cs right now, for 50 slash, but I only have one respec-stone and I need it to respec stealth later ;p

Ahwell ... I'm not complaining. Don't really feel the need to 3-shot SBs. Close and fair fights are more fun imo.! :>

 

[Tafador]

Originally posted by Lochlyessa
I have to disagree :/

I have a rr3 slash infil, had leeched yellow buffs off someones bot, and went happily along to amg. Got jumped by 4 sbs, killed 2 and got the 3rd to 10%..

Hehehehehe still laughing, what do you smoke ?

 

[Astraad]

I've seen Dracorn and Arraudry do that too, not too often but it happens, slash infils hit very hard :/

 

[Derric]

Originally posted by Tafador
Hehehehehe still laughing, what do you smoke ?

Hehehehehe,you know,some sb's really are shit.

 

[nelex]

Originally posted by Yussef
The spec points was due to:

SB's having 2h weapons, more HP
Nightshades having magic

iirc ;o

Well i would gladly give up 2h weapons for 2.5 spec points and the more HP for a trust or a crush weapon