Scouts vs Ranger

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mrmerchantuk

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OKay ive just started on Alb on pryd and got to group with a scout .... he kicked ass with his bow ! :( he seemed to kill yellows and could probably solo oranges his bow was so much more powerfull than my rangers !

My rangers level 31 and i admit i specced him wrong to start .. was my first ever char ! but i didnt like ho wmuch better the scout seemed ... he even got use shield styles ....

can someone restore my faith in the ranger !

p.s he also seemed to have a much greater range .... not sure what arrows he was using though
 
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old.Odysseus

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A scout soloing anything but low yellows is either

a) killing the right mob with low resist and prolly positioned in a valley so he has height adcantage

b) twinked

c) buffed
 
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mrmerchantuk

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true ..

twinked ..,?

we were buffed but even after he seemed to do a lot of damage .... he said he had a level 35 ranger and deleted him cos of his scout ... i think high level pathfinding etc will compensate in the end and dual wield... just annoyed me cos it reminded me about how good rangers used to be till they like everything else got nerfed
 
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gronk

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hey Cel, don't loose ur faith in tha ranger.

its just a matter of wich mobs u kill, u can easily take orange con Tree things.
lately i even went to albions knotted tree things near for.saussage cause they are mostly orange and give great exp :D
 
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old.Charonel

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xping on the right mobs with a full bow specced ranger, i kill yellows in two/three hits, and can go through five before i only have to spend about 10 seconds downtime to get end back, then it's just repeate until lvl'd, i have NEVER gotten solo xp that fast.

and on the right mobs i can take oranges before they reach me too, rangers > scouts in most ways, and once we get the heavy bows we have even MORE damage, but with higher draw time, personally i'd stick with my great recurve bow for killing mobs, easier. trust me, rangers are seriously good when considering bow classes, they are THE best, when mezz/stun get's nerfed, slam is gonna be as worthless as the eldritch stun, and we get the ultra heavy bows at the same time to make us every bit as hard hitting as scouts, along with path... well you figure it out, rangers will be so much better than scouts in every way, better meelee, better bow, 'keens...

basically the US TL's are screaming to get scouts buffed up, and i agree, the coming patches put rangers a little way towards where they're supposed to be, but scouts still need work, the loss of a viable slam and rangers getting scout class bow damage just leaves no reason for scouts to be considered "the best bow class" as their supposed to be, they need either higher bow damage or something else.

but dont get me started on hunters, what they've done to them is sick, and shows no sign of being fixed at all :(

but yes, rangers own. and will own even more in teh coming patches, if see hidden werent' there then they'd be a viable class, as things stand, no archer is really what they're supposed to be anymore, but out of all the archers, rangers are and will be by far the best, which is a bit wrong in my oppinion because scouts are supposed to be better archers, but there you go :)

basically the key to having good bow skills with a ranger is pathfinding, if you have no path spec then do NOT expect good bow damage, the path does wonders, just try it with full bow and almost full path at the mid 20's even, then try not buffing yourself and trying to xp with the bow the same way, doesnt work, there's a HUGE difference high pathfinding makes to your bow damage, not to mention your meelee if you use fast piercers, each hit (and with fast piercers that's a LOT of hits) get's the damage add, etc...
 
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old.Odysseus

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twinked = equipped with good gear by other char or friend.

most important for a scout would be a 99% qua bow. has round 25-35% extra damage output compared to the store-bought ones.
 
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Eleasias

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Originally posted by old.Charonel


when mezz/stun get's nerfed, slam is gonna be as worthless as the eldritch stun
Resists wont affect slam stun duration
 
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old.Odysseus

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purge will (and does - alot)
after next patch the bug with timers is fixed, no re-slam after purge anymore.
 
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old.Charonel

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ahh, i was under the impression that weapon stuns were also effected, such as dragonfang for example, and slam, well at least that's something :)

but stuns in general shouldnt be effected so far as i'm concerned, none of them last that long anyway, only reason to kill mezz is because 1 minuit is long enough to wipe practically any sized force out, and is therefore overpowered.

sigh...if only it'd go back to 1.36 eh? :)
 
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mrmerchantuk

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youve reassured me uber amounts charonel and as i suspected pathfinding will be key :) thx for all yor thoughts lads and of course palan ! id never give cela up far too much time spent on him now to give up so close !

thx all
 
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old.Charonel

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no problem, i was a bit worried about spec myself until i tried out the pure bow spec for xping, and it rocks, the lack of meelee spec (arrowshot has specced, at lvl 24, pierce to 2 and CD is still unspecced) isnt a problem because with max bow, and as high path as you can get (not quite in my case, because i spent SOME points on stealth, specced it only to 10 though and it works fine, yet only set me back two lvl's from my template, so isnt a problem) the mobs simply NEVER reach you to meelee, or if they do then they're so low on health that you only need to hit them twice, but that almost never happens, so it's VERY fast lvling solo.

i'm seriously meaning this, in each level i gained in mid 20's, about three or four of the solo kills each level (all the kills were solo) actually reached me to meelee... high bow is a very good way to spec a ranger for xp, for rvr of course you can add tons of meelee with the mini dings, which is what i'll be doing, but until then you may as well ignore it, because you just wont need it until MUCH later on, xping doesnt have to include ANY meelee for a full bow high path ranger :) use respec for this, of course rangers specced with meelee too are FAR from gimped, and will be better in groups, but if you have to solo, it's a LOT faster to do it purely with bow due to the immense speed of xp that you can get from that.
 
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thebinarysurfer

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Thru most of my levels i kept pathfinding at 50% of my level roughly - only raising it more in the last ten levels or so for rvr purposes.
 
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thebinarysurfer

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Oh and one other thing if ur full path/bow spec. Get a 95%+ quality shielf as your celtic dual will be v.low and not really worth dual weild - i used to block about 1/4 hits from a medium yellow con mob with it when self-buffed. Also spec dodger with all your RA points - it makes you evade like a nightshade at level 2+.
 
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old.Charonel

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yeah, true, but dual wielding does look cooler :p which, considering how little you tend to meelee in xping with a bow/path spec ranger means that you can afford to not meelee as well (since you WOULD be better with a shield) in order to look good :D.

i dont use a shield btw, but i agree that i'd certainly be better at meelee with one.
 
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old.Charonel

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oh, just going to add, even if your going pure bow/path ranger, with no intention of speccing meelee at all, DO spec to 6 in weapon at some point later on, this will allow you to taunt for pbaoe groups, which are nice when you can get them, and that happens rarely so you'd better have the taunt for the odd occasion it does happen :)

i currently have no taunt, but you can bet your granny i'll have it later :p
 
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Eleasias

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If you thought your void eld was crap, you gonna see something even worse than that with a ranger with melee specced to 6 :>
 
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gronk

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/em agrees totaly with Elea

there will be some points ingame, when u have to melee and there will be no way to avoid it.let it be for exp or fighting of those annoying assassins (so if u ever get into a group and u only have 6in melee, well how do u want to hold aggro on u, or even kill anything)

personaly i look forward to giving those bastards a good fight, if i ever get my melee high enough, for wich i need to lvl and for lvling i need to exp ... and oh well, forget what i said, i'll never be 50 anyway... still i'll have 39 in blades when i give this game up!

i say, go for 40bow 40path and 39Blades(or pierc) rest on stealth and CD
 
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old.Odysseus

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dont forget our 2 ft range advantadge! (bah)
 
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old.Charonel

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i agree, a ranger with no meelee would be gimped at high lvl's, but i never said that was my spec, just until the mini dings when i can afford to dump huge points into it.

my actual spec will be taking meelee to about 40ish anyway, but until you get to rvr or high lvl pbaoe groups there's just no point if your bow is so high specced along with path as mine, since by far the most xp you'll get is soloing, that's what you should be concentrating on making good, and btw, you keep aggro with a weapon skill of six by using taunt :)

afterall, in a pbaoe group your not there for damage :).
 

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