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andyr00barb
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Just wondering what the dmg caps are for critblades in thid. Post dmg caps along with spec/stats/weapon if you can be arsed.
Cheers..
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balthus
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Dont matter crits dont bloody work properly until next patch due to the mess up they made with bladeturn,almost most of the casters have it and will absorb every crit attack.Mythic have acknowledged theres a prob and are looking at getting it fixed for the next patch
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andyr00barb
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Erm, that's nothing to do with caps, and am still interested in case anybody wants to post their caps.
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nerfdom
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Naive
Seen between 500-600 on some casters without poison hit ontop - though can't remember if they were blue or not hehe. This is using the Morning Rage axe - 2 handed, 100% quality, dps 8.3 and a very very slow speed of 6!!! Tis a drop offa dirge that swims in the lake close to Gna Faste. Naive (Norseman SB) was lightly buffed at the time with an extra 24 str. Morning Rage Axe is a major damage dealer but it's incredibly slow swing rate and stamina sapping qualities make it only useful for one or 2 swings really.
Am rolling a new SB now - Entomb. Entomb is a Kobold and will have around 30 more str than Naive ever had along with at least 70 extra quickness in buffed form. Well lets face it everyone is buffed in Thid now - or if they not they need to be!
As for specs well i kinda like to keep them to myself.
Entomb (21 level Kobolt SB)
Seen between 500-600 on some casters without poison hit ontop - though can't remember if they were blue or not hehe. This is using the Morning Rage axe - 2 handed, 100% quality, dps 8.3 and a very very slow speed of 6!!! Tis a drop offa dirge that swims in the lake close to Gna Faste. Naive (Norseman SB) was lightly buffed at the time with an extra 24 str. Morning Rage Axe is a major damage dealer but it's incredibly slow swing rate and stamina sapping qualities make it only useful for one or 2 swings really.
Am rolling a new SB now - Entomb. Entomb is a Kobold and will have around 30 more str than Naive ever had along with at least 70 extra quickness in buffed form. Well lets face it everyone is buffed in Thid now - or if they not they need to be!
As for specs well i kinda like to keep them to myself.
Entomb (21 level Kobolt SB)
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old.Wagn
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Re: Naive
I see your "principles" about not using a buffbot for BG were about as precious to you as a Vietnamese hooker on sale at your local supermarket. You should try to avoid making lengthy semi flames on an issue you yourself will turn around 180 degrees on 2 weeks later.
I take it all those posts were just to show the infils that you have a bigger ePenis™. Even if they won a few fights you would still be unbuffed, and thus won the moral war in your own head. Sad.
I see your "principles" about not using a buffbot for BG were about as precious to you as a Vietnamese hooker on sale at your local supermarket. You should try to avoid making lengthy semi flames on an issue you yourself will turn around 180 degrees on 2 weeks later.
I take it all those posts were just to show the infils that you have a bigger ePenis™. Even if they won a few fights you would still be unbuffed, and thus won the moral war in your own head. Sad.
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Re: Re: Naive
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nerfdom
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Sad?
Couple of weeks ago there were not many buffbots but now they all over the place since the new patch. Being hit for over 200 by halberd wielding buffed armsmen- 100 even off a buffed scout - regularly isn't funny. Nearly everyone that dies has buffs on now so wot can you do?
Tis not my fault that Mythic allows this and i tried hard to avoid using one. Even tried popping potions but tis a joke - you should try it sometime.
Name of the game is buffing - and it is here to stay by looks of it so am not losing anymore sleep over it. Will be buffed simple as that.
Entomb
Couple of weeks ago there were not many buffbots but now they all over the place since the new patch. Being hit for over 200 by halberd wielding buffed armsmen- 100 even off a buffed scout - regularly isn't funny. Nearly everyone that dies has buffs on now so wot can you do?
Tis not my fault that Mythic allows this and i tried hard to avoid using one. Even tried popping potions but tis a joke - you should try it sometime.
Name of the game is buffing - and it is here to stay by looks of it so am not losing anymore sleep over it. Will be buffed simple as that.
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old.Wagn
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I'm not arguing wether or not others are using buffbots.
I'm sure some are, some are not, some actually group(!!) for buffs, and some, like me, are their own buffers. What I was trying to say was that you should think long and hard if you'd act the same in a specific situation before complaining at others for doing something.
I'm sure some are, some are not, some actually group(!!) for buffs, and some, like me, are their own buffers. What I was trying to say was that you should think long and hard if you'd act the same in a specific situation before complaining at others for doing something.
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Unbuffed b4 /level swarm my cap was 515 with SC and a spd 6.0 2h axe 
norse btw...Dracuss...i managed to 1-shot an infil during her time in BG1...was funneh best i did was 515+234 on an avalonian caster.
Gonna be returning soon...with a variety of chars...and me CB is comming back buffed this time.
/Dracus
norse btw...Dracuss...i managed to 1-shot an infil during her time in BG1...was funneh best i did was 515+234 on an avalonian caster.Gonna be returning soon...with a variety of chars...and me CB is comming back
buffed this time./Dracus
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unbuffed Swords highest PA was 515 when he was last in Thid around Christmas.
i should be back at some point ready to go again.
i should be back at some point ready to go again.
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That's pretty nice dmg, remember doing 419 with a 99% bastard sword with inf a while ago. 21+5 crit and 24 effective slash. On a side note got PA'd by entomb (at least I think it was PA) for 120 yesterday, nerf af buffs and resists imo.
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SB Damage
To be honest i been doing extensive research on damage from axes - compared to the slash damage infs can put out. The only way i can match the kind of damage a one hand weilding slash inf is to use a monster 2 handed weap. The result of which i hamper myself with terrible slow swing rates. What is kinda suspicious to me is that i can use 3.7 spd 8.3 dps weap in my right hand and a 3.1 spd weap in my left and not do anywhere near the amount of damage a slash inf can dish out? Now how come? I can be outdamaged even by thrust infs who are supposedly up against it cos of my armour type.
Having been an alb i cannot remember a much slower weap than a bastard sword - 3.6 speed? Whereas an SB can use a 4.2 speed weapon. Even so i cannot for the life of me match the damage a buffed inf can put out. I have been outdamaged by an unbuffed slash inf - by quite a degree using 3.7 spd weaps!!
The above is even noticeable on buffed Naive - stats were:
198 str - 170 dex - 190 (i think con) and around 140 quickness.
Even with the above and 25 in slash (20 +5) i could not match a slash inf using one hand weaps? - unless i am missing something here i just don't get it! I struggle to put out the damage a good unbuffed slash inf puts out even!!
By the way my sc suit has full slash resist.
Don't get me wrong - i rarely lose a fight because of the damage i can dish out on the first 2 hits. But after that i am really struggling owing to the sheer speed of infs - whether slash or thrust. I just find it very strange that even with the same sort of weaps we SBs cannot match an inf's damage per hit!!
As for low perf - a lot of times i don't hit with a 2 handed weap cos of the failure to break blade turn at the moment - also if i use a monster weap to hit first i gonna be hanging around forra while to recover. Even so have one shotted quite a number of players today so as for low perf - yeah sometimes it is.
I spent about an hour hitting my level 27 shaman - with different SBs i have. Naive with very high str and axe - Entomb somewhat lower. The perf damage can go from way under 200 to over 500!!. Same goes for the use of garote - huge variance in damage - down to 70 then close to 300. With 25 in axe(Naive) i would not expect such differences. Tis very hard to creat an alt basing it on these tests.
Does seem that you Albions have no trouble creating hard hitting alts that are consistantly hard hitting - whereas creating a good SB really makes you scratch your head in disbelief sometimes!!!
Naive
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To be honest i been doing extensive research on damage from axes - compared to the slash damage infs can put out. The only way i can match the kind of damage a one hand weilding slash inf is to use a monster 2 handed weap. The result of which i hamper myself with terrible slow swing rates. What is kinda suspicious to me is that i can use 3.7 spd 8.3 dps weap in my right hand and a 3.1 spd weap in my left and not do anywhere near the amount of damage a slash inf can dish out? Now how come? I can be outdamaged even by thrust infs who are supposedly up against it cos of my armour type.
Having been an alb i cannot remember a much slower weap than a bastard sword - 3.6 speed? Whereas an SB can use a 4.2 speed weapon. Even so i cannot for the life of me match the damage a buffed inf can put out. I have been outdamaged by an unbuffed slash inf - by quite a degree using 3.7 spd weaps!!
The above is even noticeable on buffed Naive - stats were:
198 str - 170 dex - 190 (i think con) and around 140 quickness.
Even with the above and 25 in slash (20 +5) i could not match a slash inf using one hand weaps? - unless i am missing something here i just don't get it! I struggle to put out the damage a good unbuffed slash inf puts out even!!
By the way my sc suit has full slash resist.
Don't get me wrong - i rarely lose a fight because of the damage i can dish out on the first 2 hits. But after that i am really struggling owing to the sheer speed of infs - whether slash or thrust. I just find it very strange that even with the same sort of weaps we SBs cannot match an inf's damage per hit!!
As for low perf - a lot of times i don't hit with a 2 handed weap cos of the failure to break blade turn at the moment - also if i use a monster weap to hit first i gonna be hanging around forra while to recover. Even so have one shotted quite a number of players today so as for low perf - yeah sometimes it is.
I spent about an hour hitting my level 27 shaman - with different SBs i have. Naive with very high str and axe - Entomb somewhat lower. The perf damage can go from way under 200 to over 500!!. Same goes for the use of garote - huge variance in damage - down to 70 then close to 300. With 25 in axe(Naive) i would not expect such differences. Tis very hard to creat an alt basing it on these tests.
Does seem that you Albions have no trouble creating hard hitting alts that are consistantly hard hitting - whereas creating a good SB really makes you scratch your head in disbelief sometimes!!!
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you have high variance it seems.
i would try increasing your axe spec if you cannot already do so.
i would try increasing your axe spec if you cannot already do so.
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andyr00barb
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The speed on a bastard sword is 4.1 afaik.
I think thrust infs will have slightly higher weapon skill than slash infs also due to thrust being dex/str based and rogues primary attribute being dex. That might balance out the bonus slash gets against Midgard leather.
What swords says about the variance is also quite relevant, but you have to lose envenom for it. 2.5 x lvl pts on an inf means that you can get high slash/thrust and still get the str/con debuff poison.
I think thrust infs will have slightly higher weapon skill than slash infs also due to thrust being dex/str based and rogues primary attribute being dex. That might balance out the bonus slash gets against Midgard leather.
What swords says about the variance is also quite relevant, but you have to lose envenom for it. 2.5 x lvl pts on an inf means that you can get high slash/thrust and still get the str/con debuff poison.
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Variance
Variance cos of low weapon skill? Well can't see that being the issue. Naive during these trials had following specs at level 24:
20 in axe as base (25 with sc)
21 in crit as base (26 with sc)
5 in envenom (10 with sc)
19 in stealth (24 with sc)
Using the 2 handed axe brought about the huge variance scores. This is not so noticeable (though is still there) using the one handed axes.
All i can think off is the armour is causing such a damage difference when a SB takes on an Inf. As mentioned above the leather armour that an inf gets now is somehow able to lower damage off slash. But i think these bonuses that Infs get - such as extra points - better armour - were in place because of LA being so powerful. Now that has been nerfed the bonuses are still in place causing this nasty unbalance. To be honest i have seen the damage off la for myself and could see the reason to nerf it. But now it seems it has swung too far the other way - infs way. Oh well - back to experimenting i suppose. Everything was and is just so easy for an Alb - stalk a mid SB - use slash and debuff him - job done. SB meets an Inf - also debuffs hoping that it is slash and doh - wasted poison on a thrust inf. Makes for exciting fights but tis an uphill battle for sure.
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Variance cos of low weapon skill? Well can't see that being the issue. Naive during these trials had following specs at level 24:
20 in axe as base (25 with sc)
21 in crit as base (26 with sc)
5 in envenom (10 with sc)
19 in stealth (24 with sc)
Using the 2 handed axe brought about the huge variance scores. This is not so noticeable (though is still there) using the one handed axes.
All i can think off is the armour is causing such a damage difference when a SB takes on an Inf. As mentioned above the leather armour that an inf gets now is somehow able to lower damage off slash. But i think these bonuses that Infs get - such as extra points - better armour - were in place because of LA being so powerful. Now that has been nerfed the bonuses are still in place causing this nasty unbalance. To be honest i have seen the damage off la for myself and could see the reason to nerf it. But now it seems it has swung too far the other way - infs way. Oh well - back to experimenting i suppose. Everything was and is just so easy for an Alb - stalk a mid SB - use slash and debuff him - job done. SB meets an Inf - also debuffs hoping that it is slash and doh - wasted poison on a thrust inf. Makes for exciting fights but tis an uphill battle for sure.
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andyr00barb
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What I was trying to say was that thrust infil dmg is more or less the same as slash infil dmg in bgs versus sbs.
You get minuses against infs because alb leather is neutral to slash before slash resistances come into play.
Your debuffs will still have some effect vs thrust inf, though not as much as against slash infs obviously.
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reread what u meant about variance, you shouldn't get much with that spec.
You get minuses against infs because alb leather is neutral to slash before slash resistances come into play.
Your debuffs will still have some effect vs thrust inf, though not as much as against slash infs obviously.
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reread what u meant about variance, you shouldn't get much with that spec.
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Replies
Thanks for replying all. Tis a pity i posted 2 similar postings - again!!!
Seems lots are unhappy with the way things are with SBs. Tis a shame. And i bet lots have tried over and over to address the issue - you talking months of recreating alts and testing to finally admit defeat here - with me anyways. At least now with the ability to create level 20-30 alts instantly these things can be found out with a lot less time being wasted.
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Thanks for replying all. Tis a pity i posted 2 similar postings - again!!!
Seems lots are unhappy with the way things are with SBs. Tis a shame. And i bet lots have tried over and over to address the issue - you talking months of recreating alts and testing to finally admit defeat here - with me anyways. At least now with the ability to create level 20-30 alts instantly these things can be found out with a lot less time being wasted.
Regards
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andyr00barb
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I don't think I'm gonna roll any more infs for bgs anyways, they're far too common.
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nerfdom
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Please reply in 'Discussion on SB/Inf/Ns damage' as really this one was started and shouldn't have been.
Sorry for 2x posting.
(edit) hehe just realized i never started this thread in the first place - oops - eh ignore the above!!
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Sorry for 2x posting.
(edit) hehe just realized i never started this thread in the first place - oops - eh ignore the above!!
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