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[Asha]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bee Man
When i didn't calling names -> i hope (yes, i hope) - they off that crap self. W/out ban or etc. Or they guildmates ask them don't use that.

Thats bs, ppl dont care, they cant be caught, they cant be banned cos GoA cant prove it.

Give names and record it, else its just a lame excuse for losing tbh

think you missing his point. his point was that he would hope that ppl in the guilds that are respected would tell their guildmates to stop using radar. I've never been in a group where I suspected someone in the group of radar, if I did, I would ask them to stop or I would just stop grouping with them. not because I am so noble, but but because it makes things just that much more boring imo.

 

[Wot-do]

Yes the pan view in albs are strong...

800 x 600 max zoom in , stun/mezz leader, all stop up stuck to leader like statues.

 

[Buffer]

seen a few dodgy encounters which made me suspect radar.

running solo in hib frontier, was at unlikely place for a fg of enemy realm to be, was well hidden behind trees etc. fg just steam rolled me charging straight for me. Maybe I was unlucky

Another was a group of us in emain, we had a hunter tailing us(not in group), out of clip range but close and he was in a spot that u wouldnt usually goto. As a group we were wiped in seconds, the attackers then immediately turned and ran to the hunter, he had not attacked them at all, was suspicious

 

[nol]

its a conspiracy, 9out of 10 hibs rly use radar thats why u always get jumped, nothing to do with having a shit leader or not panning and generally being a bunch of noobs.

p.s IDIOT!

roughly translated
9/10 times he is facing the wall....

 

[Slusk]

HAHA..

ppl that deny any knowledge about radar in their guild etc are full of shit..
there is loads of radar users, specially now when mythic "encrypted"
now its almost "legal" to use them then say "no what radar? me? wtf radars doesn't work??"

Bollox.. cheaters go back and play CS please

 

[redB]

Seen mentions of using "ghost" chars to confuse radar users..
If this where possible, why not just create 9,000,000 or so of these ghosts per zone so anyone using a radar couldnt c the slightest thing...
Sure they could make it so the "ghosts" didnt lag or put server strain like it where a real person-

 

[Aussie]

you should work for GOA

 

[Healer McHeal]

HAHA..

ppl that deny any knowledge about radar in their guild etc are full of shit..
there is loads of radar users, specially now when mythic "encrypted"
now its almost "legal" to use them then say "no what radar? me? wtf radars doesn't work??"

Bollox.. cheaters go back and play CS please

i have no knowledge of radar in my guild, am i full of shit? if u think that, you can fuck off imo, ive never suspected any one in my guild of using it, i dont suspect any one of using it, i know people do, but i dont care, if i die, i come back, i dont take the game like its real life, and get all pissy because i lost.

 

[Runolas]

It is tricky subject, but tbh from my experiance with my SB (specially after getting SoM) and leading RvR grp's there are ppl arround using radar. There are grps/ppl out there that are "heatseekers" when it comes to finding their pray. It could be skill, but still find it strange. Who that benefit the most from it is up to you to judge, but imho it is not the random epic wearing Paladin. Fun part of it is that we know it is there, but we can do little to prove it.

 

[Krane]

I heard Fluid used radar to spy on the relic raid!!

 

[Divinia]

when u say hibs use radar ure inderectly saying i use radar..

nice accusations.

 

[Feinar]

I cant (and dont want) denounce somebody for radar using, just example of situation when i am start thinking that somebody use it (Sorry, but yes, its a hib's grps mostly. Dont know, maybe they are so uber mobile\sensitive or, as ppl said b4, have an eyes everywhere) from the stealther's point of view.
Road between mmg-amg, closer to amg. Hib group just passed us (me and my stealthed partner) to the mmg dir from amg. We noticed that there is 2 more enemy stealthers - albs. So we waiting till hib group run away and jump them... What happened then? Yupp, group is back in the beginning of the fight (just some time after we "popped") straight on us, pbae e. t. c. and... I thought they change their mind and decide to back to amg and found us on their way, but no. They run to the pervious dir to the mmg again. So i think they back when noticed 4 enemys popped after their backs to kill them. Its a just an example of random situation, but its happens from time to time after we unstealthed. Radar or just a luck - i dont know.

 

[Klonk]

when u say hibs use radar ure inderectly saying i use radar..

nice accusations.

Yeah, he meant ALL hibs, so ofc it's you

 

[Glottis]

copy n' paste from:
http://www.camelotherald.com/more/1529.shtml

"New Anti-Hack Technology Coming In New Frontiers

It would be nice, but the sad part is that while in the US they get ingame customer support from Mythic, we get none from GoA.
I doubt they do much investigating here in Europe at all.
Would be nice though, I would love a name & shame policy of radar abusers.
Regards, Glottis

 

[old.Sko]

actually radar stopped working in this last patch, if you read what the radar developer wrote.

Sometimes it's easier just to accuse everyone of using radar then to admit you were beaten fairly.

Have a lollipop m8.
radar is alive and kicking.
though instead of sniffing it went to memory reading.
i hope that with frontiers patch they'll implement some countermeasures for it, as well as long suggested "ghost" packets - send packets with info about enemy moving _underground_. so anyone beelining for that supposed fg will get insta ban =D

 

[old.Sko]

Now think of 4-5 respected guilds on Hib and im pretty sure 1 of them will be VGN.
Now look what guild im in.
Now wonder why im defending myself and our guild against these claims.

Smoke and fire Xantian ?

 

[Trubble]

Radar based on decrypting network packets can be avoided (though at a more or less cost) but there are more sophisticated radars out there now. Basiclly they scan the memory to pick up the data. Mythic has in their new patches changed the areas, but it doesn't take very long time for the coders to discover the new area. One way to get rid of these radars would to change the area more often, like say once per day, but that also gives some other problems - new files needs to be downloaded for each change and all the clients needs to run the same version... So it is hard to get rid of all the radars.

What they could do is to place some "fake" data on illegal locations and check if anyone goes to that loc.

There will be some way to see that the data is fake (or the client wouldnt know). So the radar programs will probably be patched to detect this.

What Mythic can do is record the movement of people, and make some tools for their customer support to see these movements in fast forward. Further more Mythic can collect statistics to show people who performs outside of the average, so they can be investigated with replays of their movements througout a nights play. IF they were really dedicated they could make programs that analyzed the movement patterns, but likely that will be too big a task.

 

[Tilda]

actually radar stopped working in this last patch, if you read what the radar developer wrote.

Sometimes it's easier just to accuse everyone of using radar then to admit you were beaten fairly.

1 type of radar stopped working, afaik, the radar you pay for is still working.

Bee, if goa get several reports about a person using radar they will have a GM follow them, watch their tells etc and see what they do.
ie. if a person blatently saw someone, they couldn't use the "a stealther told me" excuse as the goa person could see their PMs too.
GoA do care, as much as people are loath to admit it. If you report someone, and get other people who saw them to do the same, then GoA will check it out.
In addition, goa have a far better (imo) response to radar than mythic, while mythic will give you a weeks ban or so, goa will just terminate accounts. Thats why it appears that it takes longer, as goa want to be more sure that they arn't terminating some innocent persons account forever.

Tilda

 

[Tilda]

Modness!
Lets cut out the personal accusations here.
I'm all for discussions about radar and how it could be stopped etc, but any more accusations of radar using and this thread gets a lock.

Tilda

 

[popa]

well

i have seen a video about that and a ministrel making on mmg stealh and unstealh on mmg corners and after several seconds come a group ( hibis) making areas 2 the place where ministrel get unstealh
the name of video >>> harde_hib_merlin_radar <<< atm not remeber the link

 

[Gethin]

Radar will never be removed from the game. I have seen numerous examples of radar use on the US servers (1.69) where my brother plays. In most cases it was so obvious i just had to laugh. Mythic dont seem to be doing much about it, so i very much doubt GoA will either.

Maybe the solution is that radar is added to the game. It might not be perfect, but one thing it would do is allow everyone to play on a level playing field.

 

[Nuked]

as much as you would like to think you know these people use radar, you said it yourself you can not prove or disprove what you are saying, so to say hibs are lame for using radar when it could just as easily be coincidence that they ran towards you. people are not going to rest in the middle of amg solo because they know they will get killed, so you rest out of the way somewhere safe, problem is it's not safe because it's usually on a zonewall, and everyone follows the zonewall.

i'm not saying you're wrong, i'm not saying you're right, but i am saying as you can't prove anything, don't say anything, we all know about radar, but i myself have been moving though emain solo at times and run across someone resting in the middle of no mans land, i then got told i use radar because i killed this person, it's BS 99% of the time imo.

 

[noaim]

Cant help to start wondering tho, when you run stealthed as hunter in shademode, see fg hibs passing you, pan camera, they go out of view, unstealth (still shademode) and 5-10 secs later you get instaamnesiad, pan camera, see same hib group closing up on you, get mezzed, die. Coincidence? Maybe, but I doubt it.

 

[Nuked]

well, Coincidence? at mile gate i would say Yes. many people dont even go as far as the pk, then turn around after going about as far as the grannies or in near enough that area and travel back, but as for doing that say on the zw between amg and mmg, that would look a bit fishy yes.

 

[cougar]

it's nice for those who never win to be able to blame radar i guess.

 

[Tay]

Radar based on decrypting network packets can be avoided (though at a more or less cost) but there are more sophisticated radars out there now. Basiclly they scan the memory to pick up the data. Mythic has in their new patches changed the areas, but it doesn't take very long time for the coders to discover the new area. One way to get rid of these radars would to change the area more often, like say once per day, but that also gives some other problems - new files needs to be downloaded for each change and all the clients needs to run the same version... So it is hard to get rid of all the radars.

What they could do is to place some "fake" data on illegal locations and check if anyone goes to that loc.

Thats too intensive tho.

 

[Summoner]

it's nice for those who never win to be able to blame radar i guess.

a single player cannot win vs FG and your savage isnt an exception.

 

[Lethul]

a single player cannot win vs FG and your savage isnt an exception.

i have beaten a fg at mmg once xD to bad a hunter leeched on the 2 last paladins and im quite sure BDs can take out FGs if lucky

 

[Summoner]

i have beaten a fg at mmg once xD to bad a hunter leeched on the 2 last paladins and im quite sure BDs can take out FGs if lucky

nice group if 2 paladins, bet rest were 2 infis, scout and a reaver in epic
ah.. forgot.. one air theu for teh mezz and speedz0r and one friar to heal em all

PS. Sorry for tease

 

[Tay]

yeah and can be easily implemented...

You let ghost players pop and roam in non obvious areas and you log every player coming into 500 gu range.

You let the ghost move and keep logging players getting in 500 gu range.

After a few weeks of collecting data, you begin data mining and It will be easy to locate players who are following those ghost alot in a certain period.

Then flag that account from that specific player, run a radarbait routine on him (let a ghostbait pop in his clipping range at random angles and see if he adjust his course to intercept the bait...).

Ofc this will create loads of overhead and prob more lag but just a thougt

It isnt that hard to automate that process

I tried to reply to the original post in full but got beaten by the edit timer, but, this method is very time consuming.

You still need to look at it from a player point of view when they nail people a few times too many.

1. Once is bad luck
2. Twice is a co-incidence
3. Three is odd
4. Four is Very Suspicious
5. Five is cheatin mofo

The problem is proving it..

I still think they need to look at locking clients and servers down, they control both.

I'm pretty sure that Mythic has reverse engineering stuff in the license, if thats the case then nail the gits that make the radar software, that is a real measure of how much Mythic want to stop cheats, nail the authors of the software legally.