Sacked for beign a smoker

[Whipped]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_obj...line=sacked-for-being-a-smoker-name_page.html

Bit harsh if you ask me. They should have asked her in the interview and not just relied on the fact that the agency would have only sent them non-smokers.

Plus, they must have hired her as she was the best one suited for the job, so sacking her after 45 mins cause she smoked is just stupid. I mean, she'd agreed to not smoke during office hours and that may have even helped her quit.

I hope she gets some compensation out of these fuckwits.

 

[old.Tohtori]

"It's positive discrimination, and we're proud of it."

F*ckwits.

Stupid, and hopefully illegal or atleast give her compensation for it.

I find this to be appropriate sign of "I'll back her up"

 

[Earl]

Has the country gone crazy? What the fuck!

Positive discrimination is when a 'minority' is given more rights so to speak, to try and balance out previous discriminations in society... for example when labour did all women shortlists for candidates, because the labour party had really low amounts of women MP's...

What the fuck does them banning people smoking in their own time, have to do with this?

 

[Whipped]

The hospital here has little tiny bus stop type things that you can smoke in

 

[Bodhi]

This kinda happened to me once on a temp job - the company i was working for had a very strict no-smoking policy, however they didn't tell me that until after they'd caught me outside having a cig, and I was given my marching orders. Can't say i was too fussed as it was a really shit job, but it was still a little harsh to fire me for taking 2 minutes out me day stuffing envelopes to have a fag when others were allowed 5-10 minutes to make coffee or whatever.....

 

[TdC]

up yours Bods. I have coworkers who are gone for 20 minutes each hour to have a couple of fags. *I* drink my coffee at my desk, where I *work* (sometimes heh).

I used to smoke, so on a certain level I sympathize, but some people just take the piss tbh.

 

[Whipped]

up yours Bods. I have coworkers who are gone for 20 minutes each hour to have a couple of fags. *I* drink my coffee at my desk, where I *work* (sometimes heh).

I used to smoke, so on a certain level I sympathize, but some people just take the piss tbh.

I agree that some people take the piss. I used to work with a guy who, if you needed to find him, you just went outside and he'd be there smoking.

But if people are smokers like that then they should get the sack or at least a telling off. The shouldn't be sacked just beacuse they happen to be smokers.

 

[TdC]

Indeed Whipped, I'm sorry I forgot to make my point (only just up hehe).

Smoking shouldn't get you sacked imo, just like having a tattoo (within reason), piercings or a more cutting edge hair style (again within reason) shouldn't get you sacked.

On the other hand blatantly skiving off work because you're a lazy **** should get you sacked. Imo my smoking coworker qualifies as a lazy **** because in a nine hour day he "works" (9x20=180/60=3) three hours less than me.

 

[Chilly]

at the most people who take regular fag breaks should get a pay reduction of a % or 2 but it's certainly shouldnt be grounds for dismissal unless the job is such that smoking cannot happen (food factory, clean work areas etc etc cant be getting tar and grunt all over the shop).

Every job I've had there has been someone (or some people) who take the piss with fag breaks and whenever you say anything about they just say "well im a smoker i cant smoke inside". And then when I ask for an extra 20 minutes of break to sit on my ass outside chatting with the smokers I get told to get to fuck. That's the fucking problem and I can sympahtise with companies who dont want to employ smokers - but this case is a bit gay, they should have told her.

 

[Whipped]

I have around 3 smoke breaks each day that last about 5 mins each. And I take that time out of my lunch break. I'm a good boy really

 

[Chilly]

I have around 3 smoke breaks each day that last about 5 mins each. And I take that time out of my lunch break. I'm a good boy really

aye I have no problem with people like you whipped, but a lot of people don't take it out of their lunch break.

 

[nath]

It's political correctness gone maaaaaaaaad!!!!!!!!1


Seriously though, she should sue them for unfair dismissal.

 

[Tom]

http://walmartwatch.com/

Check that out if you think the original story is silly

 

[Alliandre]

If she'd agreed not to smoke on the job, I can't see what their problem is to be honest.

I do get annoyed with this people who take breaks outside their tea and lunch breaks though.

 

[Chilly]

If she'd agreed not to smoke on the job, I can't see what their problem is to be honest.

I do get annoyed with this people who take breaks outside their tea and lunch breaks though.

I'd imagine they might think along the lines of "smokers have a higher tendency to contract illness (from coughs+colds to lung cancer and other associated ailments) thus they may be more of a liability than a non smoker in terms of sick pay etc etc" Although for a (seemingly) temp worker on £fuckall an hour that isnt an issue.

 

[DaGaffer]

I'd imagine they might think along the lines of "smokers have a higher tendency to contract illness (from coughs+colds to lung cancer and other associated ailments) thus they may be more of a liability than a non smoker in terms of sick pay etc etc" Although for a (seemingly) temp worker on £fuckall an hour that isnt an issue.

If that was their logic she could take them to the cleaners because its very illegal; discrimination, for whatever reason, is bad, m'kay?

 

[Sharma]

The hospital here has little tiny bus stop type things that you can smoke in

Same with my college, were sorta restricted to em like but i'm not fussed since we have shelter from wind and rain etc.

My view on this as a smoker is that i'm pretty much appauled at it, she should have at least been given some sort of indication that the company does not want smokers, I think its fair enough really if they had said something but taking them on THEN sacking them is a bit fucking off.

Nothing wrong with having a fag while on a short break, I only take the liberty of having one on my regular 15min break or a couple if I have a 45min break from working all day on my days off from college.

 

[rynnor]

If that was their logic she could take them to the cleaners because its very illegal; discrimination, for whatever reason, is bad, m'kay?

I assume its a very small company and as such does not have to comply with most employment legislation.

 

[Whipped]

I'd imagine they might think along the lines of "smokers have a higher tendency to contract illness (from coughs+colds to lung cancer and other associated ailments) thus they may be more of a liability than a non smoker in terms of sick pay etc etc" Although for a (seemingly) temp worker on £fuckall an hour that isnt an issue.

I've seen all this, "Smokers get ill more" bullshit before. I've been smoking for 8 years and I don't think I've been ill anymore than if I'd not started smoking.

In fact, the only times I can remember being really ill was when I tried to quit

 

[SAS]

At my workplace we get a 10 minute break every hour due to staring at a screen for 60 minutes before a break. It is a data entry centre and there are lots of bugs about and the heavy smokers are the ones who get hit hardest. They will be off with the flu bug for example but it will then end up with a chest infection 9 times out of 10.

Some smokers are lucky however and are never ill (looks at Whipped ).

The woman should of been given the chance to quit smoking before they decided to throw her out and the excuse of "we did not ask her in the interview because we 'assumed' the agency already asked her" is crap. She'll make a tidy sum out of them now for unfair dismissal.

 

[Clown]

Smokers stink. Their breath stinks. Their clothes stink. They probably can't tell because their senses were destroyed by the tar. Maybe they don't want to work next to stinky people.

 

[rynnor]

Smokers stink. Their breath stinks. Their clothes stink. They probably can't tell because their senses were destroyed by the tar. Maybe they don't want to work next to stinky people.

Actually that was pretty much what the guy said when interviewed on radio yesterday... Plus they had no smoking room and they didnt want the front of their building with smokers hanging around it.

 

[DaGaffer]

Smokers stink. Their breath stinks. Their clothes stink. They probably can't tell because their senses were destroyed by the tar. Maybe they don't want to work next to stinky people.

Still Discrimination

 

[Tom]

Still Discrimination

All applicants for job vacancies are discriminated against - otherwise everyone would get the job.

Personally, although I wouldn't have sacked her (you can't be unfairly dismissed so early in a job anyway) I would have told her to toe the line, and no smoking anywhere on the premises, and no taking fag breaks either. And if she smells, then sort it out.

 

[Whipped]

All applicants for job vacancies are discriminated against - otherwise everyone would get the job.

Personally, although I wouldn't have sacked her (you can't be unfairly dismissed so early in a job anyway) I would have told her to toe the line, and no smoking anywhere on the premises, and no taking fag breaks either. And if she smells, then sort it out.

If you'd read the article Tom then you'd have seen that the girl agreed not to smoke during working hours. Yet they still fired her.

Plus, I know a lot of people with B.O. that smell worse than smokers. Should they be sacked to?

 

[Chilly]

I've seen all this, "Smokers get ill more" bullshit before. I've been smoking for 8 years and I don't think I've been ill anymore than if I'd not started smoking.

In fact, the only times I can remember being really ill was when I tried to quit

statistics become irrelivant when you consider a single person/event.

 

[rynnor]

If you'd read the article Tom then you'd have seen that the girl agreed not to smoke during working hours. Yet they still fired her.

Plus, I know a lot of people with B.O. that smell worse than smokers. Should they be sacked to?

I imagine they decided that they didnt actually like her and the smoking was probably just a convenient excuse.

On the B.O. there was a guy at the last place who reeked and got oficial warnings about it so I imagine it is sackable.

 

[Tom]

Plus, I know a lot of people with B.O. that smell worse than smokers. Should they be sacked to?

Yes. I guy I used to work for stunk of shit. Literally, shit, from his arse. Because he didn't wash himself.

I regularly hoped he'd get run over and die of embarrasment after the nurses took his trolleys off.

 

[Krazeh]

They not breaking any laws by refusing to employ smokers and as long as they have a consistently applied policy on smoking then it's very unlikely she'll be able to make a claim against them under employment law.

 

[Lazarus]

Still Discrimination

Sorry Dagaffer. Its not discrimination.

Discrimination is only where you have no choice of what affects you (female, male, colour of skin etc)

Smokers CHOOSE to smoke and therefore the discrimination laws do not apply.