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stunned

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I thought that the minimum allowed spell casting timer is 2 seconds !?
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by stunned
I thought that the minimum allowed spell casting timer is 2 seconds !?
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Basically mythic have no idea about their own game. Aussie can get almost sub 1.5 second aoe mezz cast with mota3 and his capped dex.

Casting cap is bullshit, it's slower for most high RR's to use QC which forces a 2 sec cast, then a normal cast.
 
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old.Nol

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Rising dex stat is uber...I have empathy, beat that.
 
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Puppetmistress

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Originally posted by old.Nol
Rising dex stat is uber...I have empathy, beat that.
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I got STR on my friar, as useless as empathy on you :p
 
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old.Nol

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If I spend all RA's into Aug Dex, get mota5 get moa5 on a 50 BB, I can cast at about 1.65...ooooooo

nerf sorceror's imo, overpowered c*nts!
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by Puppetmistress
I got STR on my friar, as useless as empathy on you :p
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Not quite as useless, at least you can carry more stuff...
 
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ilienwyn

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Originally posted by old.Nol
Not quite as useless, at least you can carry more stuff...
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And you have more empathy for others ;)
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by ilienwyn
And you have more empathy for others ;)
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yes, and it greatly increases my chances of crying...
 
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Puppetmistress

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Oh and before you take that website too serious:

a) The approximation to cast speed is based on SOME test and a linear extrapolation to higher dexterity. There's no basis to assume the formula used for castspeed(DEX) is correct which will lead to big errors at higher DEX (because the sample was taken with a level 42 buffbot)

Add to that the website doesn't check for illegal stats and you can obtain negative castingspeeds with very high DEX and MOA you can understand I dont believe too much about the website.

Yeah it will be pretty accurate at the spot where the samples have been used (I estimate around 250 dex) but it will be pretty unaccurate at 350 dex for instance..

I wouldn't really think that website is based on relevant and accurate data, sorry.
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Oh and before you take that website too serious:

a) The approximation to cast speed is based on SOME test and a linear extrapolation to higher dexterity. There's no basis to assume the formula used for castspeed(DEX) is correct which will lead to big errors at higher DEX (because the sample was taken with a level 42 buffbot)

Add to that the website doesn't check for illegal stats and you can obtain negative castingspeeds with very high DEX and MOA you can understand I dont believe too much about the website.

Yeah it will be pretty accurate at the spot where the samples have been used (I estimate around 250 dex) but it will be pretty unaccurate at 350 dex for instance..

I wouldn't really think that website is based on relevant and accurate data, sorry.
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It was never assumed, information was gathered and averaged from a whole bunch of testers, the same people that proved Mythic's casting cap wrong in fact. TBH I am more lokely to listen to Tambori then am I to you, these guys have been teaching Mythic about their own game since inception.

With my own testing I have found it to be pretty much spot on on all my casting chars. You are entitled to your own opinion, but as I stated in the thread starting post, "I found it useful, you might"...nobody is being forced to accept it.

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Arnor

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its not working right for stats over 300, talked to the creator about it and its coded with normal progression after 300.

i ended up with 1.31 on that thing, doing tests I got 1.17. so its a bit off due to >300 thingy
 
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hotrat

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It seems faily accurate, with 333 dex and mota2 my mezz comes around the 1.5 second mark, that program says 1.8. Good for a rough guideline :p
 
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Stallion-

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same goes for me did test it with the heat debuff ... 2.0 sec casting speed with 349 dex & mota 1 resultet in 1.11111 sec casting time...

and afaik that calculator is a bit wrong... I dont have 1.36 casting time on the debuffs but 1.1111
 
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Belomar

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Originally posted by Stallion-
and afaik that calculator is a bit wrong... I dont have 1.36 casting time on the debuffs but 1.1111
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That's quite a lot of decimals when your measurement granularity is 1 second. :m00: (Assuming you use the timestamps in the log.)
 
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Stallion-

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Originally posted by Belomar
That's quite a lot of decimals when your measurement granularity is 1 second. :m00: (Assuming you use the timestamps in the log.)
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well I can see the diff between 15 casts and 18 casts during a period of 20 seconds. And I did use timestamps and spammed the button to get a feeling if I started in the beginning of the first second or not... and with the latest test it was 20 _full_ seconds with x amouth of casts, and im positive about that it was correct ;)
 
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Belomar

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Well, regardless of how many casts you do (be it 20 or 30), if your measurement granularity is 1 second from the timestamps, you can only get so much precision since you don't know when during the 1-second interval your first cast started. (It'd be different if you were able to start the clock exactly when you started your first cast.)
 
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Driwen

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Originally posted by Belomar
Well, regardless of how many casts you do (be it 20 or 30), if your measurement granularity is 1 second from the timestamps, you can only get so much precision since you don't know when during the 1-second interval your first cast started. (It'd be different if you were able to start the clock exactly when you started your first cast.)
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with 18 casts lasting 1.1 sec, it takes 19.8 secs to get them off. Now that could be 17.9 sec or 21.7 sec aswell, as you might be unlucky with the start and end second. So your error with 18 casts is 10% so doubt you can be more precise than its somewhere around 1.1 sec :).
 
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old.Nol

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calculator is being updated for buf caps, but that is essentially the difference I believe. As Arnor was indicating, I think it's an excellent way to at visualise your gains from mota, moa, aug dex etc...guess I can't please everyone.
 
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Puppetmistress

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Originally posted by old.Nol
calculator is being updated for buf caps, but that is essentially the difference I believe. As Arnor was indicating, I think it's an excellent way to at visualise your gains from mota, moa, aug dex etc...guess I can't please everyone.
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Yeah it's nice for a rough estimate, but nothing more then that. Considering it's based on a simple linear extrapolation and really afaik based on that thread where a sample is used of around 10 casts I would say it's not as nearly as accurate as the page gives significant numbers.

IT doesn't even give a fault-margain which is kinda proove enough to me the results aren't accurate.

The dude can be great old.Nol and teaching Mythic something about their own game (did Mythic even program DAOC btw? :p) but from a scientific point-of-view it's worth not much.

But as long as you're happy with it, use it :)
 
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Puppetmistress

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Originally posted by Belomar
Well, regardless of how many casts you do (be it 20 or 30), if your measurement granularity is 1 second from the timestamps, you can only get so much precision since you don't know when during the 1-second interval your first cast started. (It'd be different if you were able to start the clock exactly when you started your first cast.)
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You could do a measure over a very long period of time and measure like 1000 spells. Your average accuracy will improve greatly then.
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Yeah it's nice for a rough estimate, but nothing more then that. Considering it's based on a simple linear extrapolation and really afaik based on that thread where a sample is used of around 10 casts I would say it's not as nearly as accurate as the page gives significant numbers.

IT doesn't even give a fault-margain which is kinda proove enough to me the results aren't accurate.

The dude can be great old.Nol and teaching Mythic something about their own game (did Mythic even program DAOC btw? :p) but from a scientific point-of-view it's worth not much.

But as long as you're happy with it, use it :)
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... I can't really respond, all I can do is lol.
 
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