RvR Advise Required...

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Danamyr

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I've got a LW Champ, who's currently Lvl 47.8 over on Hib/Pryd (posting here because that forum is dead).

When I ding him Lvl 50 over the Christmas holidays, I'd like to start playing him in RvR groups.

I have never played him in any of the BGs (was too busy levelling to take the time out), so really have no idea as to what the best RvR philosophy is for playing him.

I know I can /stick and /assist, but I like to be a little more free thinking than that.

With my debuffs and DD, I can interupt casters and healers, and take them out of the game entirely if needs be.

I really am open minded about it all, so please post your constructive thoughts on how I can best contribute as part of a group.

I accept people currently have a downer on Champs because of the lack of Det, but I should never really be in a group without a Druid that has GP anyway.

Opinions?
 
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Coccas

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champ is a great class but they dont have determination wich makes people not wanna group champs if they dont want to have a class standing immobile through the battle
 
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Danamyr

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Originally posted by Coccas
champ is a great class but they dont have determination wich makes people not wanna group champs if they dont want to have a class standing immobile through the battle
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See my original post above re: Druids and Group Purge.
 
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angara-ffs

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Originally posted by Danamyr
See my original post above re: Druids and Group Purge.
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So every 30 minutes you get purged and you actually can do something? :)
 
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Flimgoblin

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2 druids = gp every 15mins
self purge...

should be no more of a problem for a champ than for a pbaoe-bomber :)

I'm guessing a champ fulfills a similar role to the minstrel, just with a bit more meleeing and less of the mezzing/demezzing. Keep as many targets interrupted as possible.
 
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Kirnan

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I borrowed my friends champ to do some rvr the other day and really it isn't as bad as people keep saying.

You just have to pay more attention to who the other groups mezzer is, instead of blindly /assist /stick (yes assist is king but its no good to get mezzed in the assist train right at the start of a fight), so that you can (a) hit sprint and interrupt him before he gets a chance to cast (this is important if you are running against an alb group since sorcs have a 1850 range on their mezz or (b) make sure you break away slightly from the group as soon as enemies are spotted so that you will more than likely only get the outside edge of a mezz which should render you mezz immune for the rest of the fight.

If you do get stuck in a mezz then you have purge (last resort as it is usually much better to save it for when you get stunned i.e. shield slam).

Finally in a decent group you will have 2 druids which means GP every 15mins and a bard who as long as you let him know through group chat can demezz you.

So... yes it is easier to blindly play a determination tank and not even have to worry about mezz, but no it doesn't mean you have to be completely gimped because of it.

Only problem is actually getting a good group with a non determination tank since people are so set on only using BM/Hero setups mainly because it is easier to get away with playing one of these poorly.

Well I hope that helps some.
 
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old.Laryssa

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Originally posted by Danamyr
See my original post above re: Druids and Group Purge.
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my champ isn't even rr3 coz there are no grps for her.
the lack of determination give champs a bad reputations for grps and therefore u won't get any - even random grps are too leet today to allow champs :(

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barevoose

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ok ur a champ, ur a hybrid, possibly the best frontloader tank in Hib for damagedealing and definitly useful at interruypting, pick on any casters first of all, with annhialate u can probly 2-shot them with u buffed and them debuffed. As switching targets to interrtupt others etc and u already have a target would be a bit too hard, i suggest u use all uyr instas on the target in hand.
 
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Wot-do

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Stop joking and get to facts, no determination on a tank is gimped nowadays, im sorry to say this but u should really reroll if u dont want to camp DL. Game is hard and ppl only want to run with perfect grp setup.

and Its not just mezz its all forms of cc. Sometimes u get long fights when u get mezzed 2-3 times. While mezz/root wears off after a few s on a det5 tanks u will stand there mezzed for ages.
 
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curou

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Bards also got De-mezz, so the beeing mezzed prob shouldnt be that big

I take it your not running w/o a bard ^^
 
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curou

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Originally posted by curou
Bards also got De-mezz, so the beeing mezzed prob shouldnt be that big
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...of a problem

nerf my typing abilities
 
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curou

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pff nvm me, been to a christmas lunch, so not really right in my head atm :D
 
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ceix

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yes, bards have demezz

tho bards DONT have moc

and bards DO HAVE 5+ tanks on them every fights, so its kinda impossible to use it
 
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Wot-do

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its not just mezz.....

its all kind of cc...

and yeah ceix depends what kind of grp it is , if we are talking tank grp u are right, but then again a champ is totally worthless in a mage grp since they usually only got 1 tank a defensive tank, and mostly champs got no shield spec, those who got dont have 50 shield or high mob, and cant use large shield.

but is uppose champ could be "okay" in a tank grp but i would personally rather take a valewalker then a champ :]
if its not kika of c :D
 
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Shrye

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Originally posted by curou
Bards also got De-mezz, so the beeing mezzed prob shouldnt be that big

I take it your not running w/o a bard ^^
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So instead of picking det-tanks and leave the bard free to interrupt the enemy healers/casters, you'd rather want him to spend time on demezzing some gimp who does the job alot worse than a bard? (no, a dd on 15 second timer isn't going to stop many from casting, esp. not with todays 1.2s cast delay for buffed casters).
 
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barevoose

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tell me im wrong, but didnt the guy ask for advice for rvr on his CHAMP and not advise whethere to reroll or anything.
 
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VodkaFairy

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Originally posted by barevoose
tell me im wrong, but didnt the guy ask for advice for rvr on his CHAMP and not advise whethere to reroll or anything.
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Well the best advice I can give the CHAMP is to reroll to a class that is welcome in rvr groups, unlike champs.

It's hard to give RvR advice when he plays a class you can't really rvr with :p

Sure champs can do things, but the lack of det really really doesn't compensate for an interrupt on a ~xx second timer and some debuffs that will make you go oop after debuffing 2 targets.
 
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chrstffr

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I've done pretty well with my champ in rvr tho, very usefull in tank groups. rr9l7 atm iirc
 
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VodkaFairy

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Originally posted by chrstffr
I've done pretty well with my champ in rvr tho, very usefull in tank groups. rr9l7 atm iirc
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Not that kind of champ <3
 
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Shrye

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Originally posted by chrstffr
I've done pretty well with my champ in rvr tho, very usefull in tank groups. rr9l7 atm iirc
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Big difference between a champ(ion) and your champ(ignon), Chrstffr :p
 
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vintervargen

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Originally posted by Flimgoblin
2 druids = gp every 15mins
self purge...

should be no more of a problem for a champ than for a pbaoe-bomber :)

I'm guessing a champ fulfills a similar role to the minstrel, just with a bit more meleeing and less of the mezzing/demezzing. Keep as many targets interrupted as possible.
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not like a druid will waste GP cause of one mezzed/rooted champ :eek:
 
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cutri

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Speaking from personal experience as a Champ on Excali, yes it is hard to get random groups for all the reasons stated above, although I think they are being somewhat overhyped.

Best bet is to get a decnt set of friends who you have played with or join a decent guild of similar people, that way you are more likely to get more RvR groups.

As for actually playing in RvR, my Champ is usually MA so I don't find it that hard, spot healer/caster, debuff as u run past stick, annhialate, target is stunned, then dead :)

Was the same in pve (pre focus), peeps always said Champs were crap in grps, but i was nearly allways main puller and aggro holder for group.

People get bogged down with all sorts of statistical crap rather than just enjoy the experience of playing the game imho.

Oh and before you ask, RR4L0. Not uber, but then I have fun :)
 
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Khefru

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My champ is way more fun thatn my hero to play in RvR, but no-one wants him, so he sits at a forge waiting to craft weapons. I think det should be removed and then VW's and champs would be nice variations on the tank role. Mezz timer needs reducing too ofc
 
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rauno

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Champion is bit gimped but only coz lack of determ like every other hybrid class so u are not perfect class for grp but when there is no CC to stop us we can preform very good.

o and if u dont get grps just go odin and solo infils:)
 
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