Rure's Minions first video

bigchief

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Bondoila said:
You sure you didn't have a fly in your eye as well? oO

Sadly no :p

Was when we pushed towards hill (was a mid grp inc behind which then didnt add which is why we moved). Spot the avalonian standing there not doing anything :p

Think we'd lost by that point anyway, hard to get the advantage with a 4 caster setup vs 6 interupters, 2 of which we can't interupt :(

Good vid tho, just watched it.
 

Illudian

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That black screen gave me the idea you tried to hide something :eek6:
Nice vid though, creative too. Bainshee was nice to see and Arid aww
 

pjuppe

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nice video, but why all the blanks?

and fitting choice of music. i really (really really really really really REALLY) hate that puff daddy song but i must say that it fitted very nicely into the fight.
 

Nedo

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pjuppe said:
nice video, but why all the blanks?

and fitting choice of music. i really (really really really really really REALLY) hate that puff daddy song but i must say that it fitted very nicely into the fight.

Cmon...cone with me :/

Uber movie.
 

Maeloch

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First blank I noticed happens just after a tank inc to chop up one of the shees. At a wild guess, a few secs strafing ensues till tank fucks off.

Nice vid, good mix of music, funky set-up.
 

Edlina

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Maeloch said:
First blank I noticed happens just after a tank inc to chop up one of the shees. At a wild guess, a few secs strafing ensues till tank fucks off.

Nice vid, good mix of music, funky set-up.

He alrdy said why the blanks were there... And that he had no idea how to fix it from happening.

Decent movie, can't say I enjoy the shee pov too much but druid plays nice, shee does too just kinda borint to see.
 

Pipppi

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Maeloch said:
First blank I noticed happens just after a tank inc to chop up one of the shees. At a wild guess, a few secs strafing ensues till tank fucks off.

think you see sos animation just before it goes black if you look closely
 

rure

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I have the raw material on the hdd and can upload it if anyone gives me ftp space so everyone can see we arent hiding anything if someone would doubt that. :)
 

Rigga Mortice

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Nice movie, casters seemed ok but the healing support stood out for me :worthy: . Some good fights and a good eclectic mix of music (not all of which appealed to me hehe, but personal faves being the first and last tracks).

The occassional black screen maybe one of a couple of things:

1) buffer underrun. Check your processes status whilst porting any clips in or out.

2) track collission. Check the ins/outs of underlying tracks, even audio tracks can cause a skip.

I've had similar problems with Vegas before and I've gone back to Premiere (I use it at work anyway and the current edition isn't as steep a learning curve as it used to be).

However, Vegas shortfallings aside, I didn't think its one of your better movies in terms of editting, sorry:
- The individual fight sequence introduction was cool, something I hadnt seen before, but there were a few bits that werent so novel ;) I.e. the target triangle of was suspiciously the same as in SavageTheMovie . Imitation is fine, but I reckon you should then go on to improve what went before.
- The colours seemed flatter and grainier than in your previous vids, especially in the fights at night. Xvid codec is fine, I suspect/guess this may have had something to do with the source material you were given to use being too dark? I think you can afford to bring the brightness up less and still clear enough for the viewer to see the fight, or better yet, ask whoever is recording to sort their gamma correction for Fraps/Gamecam beforehand. As well as sorting the colour contrast it will cause less frame artifacting and graininess in general.
- General sequencing of the video seemed a little disjointed. It didnt flow seamlessly and fights started/ended at odd places in my opinion. The black screening may have affected this judgement a little.

Dont get me wrong, it is still a good vid; but having set the bar high with your previous editting outings this appeared (to me) be a step in the wrong direction. With some possible re-editting it could be a great vid.

p.s. PM if you are still having problems with Vegas, I know a friend of a friend, etc... who might be able to help further. He swears by the damn app.
 

rure

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Rigga Mortice said:
Nice movie, casters seemed ok but the healing support stood out for me :worthy: . Some good fights and a good eclectic mix of music (not all of which appealed to me hehe, but personal faves being the first and last tracks).

The occassional black screen maybe one of a couple of things:

1) buffer underrun. Check your processes status whilst porting any clips in or out.

2) track collission. Check the ins/outs of underlying tracks, even audio tracks can cause a skip.

I am not sure what you mean with these two things, this is what vegas looked like when the movie was done. Maybe you can elaborate?

http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vegas3mh.jpg

Rigga Mortice said:
However, Vegas shortfallings aside, I didn't think its one of your better movies in terms of editting, sorry:
- The individual fight sequence introduction was cool, something I hadnt seen before, but there were a few bits that werent so novel ;) I.e. the target triangle of was suspiciously the same as in SavageTheMovie . Imitation is fine, but I reckon you should then go on to improve what went before.

Ehm... *whistles innocently* ;) That vid is so amazingly well edited I really really really admire the guy who did that. When it was released I still did movies in Windows Movie Maker.

Rigga Mortice said:
- The colours seemed flatter and grainier than in your previous vids, especially in the fights at night. Xvid codec is fine, I suspect/guess this may have had something to do with the source material you were given to use being too dark? I think you can afford to bring the brightness up less and still clear enough for the viewer to see the fight, or better yet, ask whoever is recording to sort their gamma correction for Fraps/Gamecam beforehand. As well as sorting the colour contrast it will cause less frame artifacting and graininess in general.

Yah indeed, the raw material I got from roanne especially was so bloody dark I couldnt even see the bainshee. I upped the brightness with 20% I usually do that in all my vids so thats never ever a problem. I think however this lies in the fact that it was recorded with half-size and not full size in fraps?

Rigga Mortice said:
- General sequencing of the video seemed a little disjointed. It didnt flow seamlessly and fights started/ended at odd places in my opinion. The black screening may have affected this judgement a little.

Fights pretty much started when roanne/shifty hit f9 in fraps. I tried to make the endings being as synchronized with the music as possible, and if I have to choose I cut off the last few seconds off the video when we are killing of two people to let the song end. I cant edited music unfortunately so I can only fade it out which in most cases sounds kinda retarded (Bambee - Cowgirl in this movie for example)

/edit: The second fight got the black screening adding because of this bug, wasnt supposed to end like that.

Great feedback man, thanks alot :)
 

Rigga Mortice

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rure said:
I am not sure what you mean with these two things, this is what vegas looked like when the movie was done. Maybe you can elaborate?

http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vegas3mh.jpg

Sorry, I'm undoubtedly using incorrect terminology, always amuses my colleagues :)
From the way you arrange your clips I dont think its track collision (basically "laddering" or over-lapping too many tracks, more than vegas can handle so that it misses some bits of clips out). What I've called buffer underrun generally occurs when importing clips or exporting the final avi and the program runs out of available memory (not necessarily ram left, check the import/export options in Vegas). Shouldnt happen if you have anything later than Vegas 5 (which I note you have).
These were just off the top of my head and I may be barking up entirely the wrong tree (I tend to do more animation rather than compositing these days). But I've seen it before, so I'll ask around, see if any of the post-production specialists at work know of a definate cause and solution, and then get back to you.

rure said:
Yah indeed, the raw material I got from roanne especially was so bloody dark I couldnt even see the bainshee. I upped the brightness with 20% I usually do that in all my vids so thats never ever a problem. I think however this lies in the fact that it was recorded with half-size and not full size in fraps?

Static images on the screen (chatbox, qbars, groupwindow) all look fine imo, but the moving images get very grainy (i.e. the characters) because of the way xvid and most codecs at compressing. The exact mechanics are long and dull and doubtless I'd get some of it wrong. But basically, if you have a very dark or very light source scene, all of the pixels have a very similar colour value, and get merged together when the avi is compressed (i.e. if it was pitch black night, depending on the compression tolerances you'd only have one RGB color value (00:00:00) for the whole screen.)

The only relatively quick step I can think of is to bump the contrast up a little before the upping the brightness. Basically I'd up it was much as I could before the colours bleed; the white pixels scorch the surrounding pixels, or more likely, the black ones drown them out.

rure said:
Fights pretty much started when roanne/shifty hit f9 in fraps. I tried to make the endings being as synchronized with the music as possible, and if I have to choose I cut off the last few seconds off the video when we are killing of two people to let the song end. I cant edited music unfortunately so I can only fade it out which in most cases sounds kinda retarded (Bambee - Cowgirl in this movie for example)


The longer fights make it must have made it difficult to score also, I hadnt taken that into account, my bad. I dont know much about music editing either, but if the tempo isn't all over the place, you might get away with cut, copy n pasting an extra 4 or 8 bars of the track on repeat.
The synchronicity throughout say, your editting in enclave1, was better than this one for me, but that's not say there weren't some really, really nice touches in this soundtrack. I particularly liked the Godzilla roar at the end of "Come with me" coinciding with the Bainshee shout :D I kinda wish you had made more of that somehow :)
 

Elahim

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Nice movie indeed!

Only one thing to QQ about really and thats the guildname.. you gotta be kidding me :p
 

rure

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I told uncron he could remove it to be able to host VFs new movie. :<
 

tookha

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but, but .. i've already downloaded that one !

ah well :p
 

xxManiacxx

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u should be faster to download it instead of waiting a week or so
 

Chimaira

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I could host it on personal FTP but its a private ISP line. I usually set a 20 man limit so ppl dont get gimp speeeds :p

But nah dunno :mad:
 

Spis

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Hmm.. what codec is needed to play this? :p Or is it just my Windows Media Player which is fucked? :p
 

rure

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Spis said:
Hmm.. what codec is needed to play this? :p Or is it just my Windows Media Player which is fucked? :p

It is just a normal xvid codec
 

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