@ Ruathian.....

[Subbiz]

so, when are u gonna 'fuck off' from midgard, pardon my french.

This weekend Ive heard two cases of ruathian spreading lies about me behind my back.

First telling people that I told Jimli that he was lame for crafting instead of RvR'ing, and that jimli supposedly had told this directly to ruathian..

I contacted jimli to check up on this, and just as I expected, jimli had never told him anything like this. Actually his first words on his reply to me was 'Ruathian needs his head examined', because he twists ppls words and/or make up things as he please.

secondly, I heard ruathian telling ppl that I was trying to get everyone kicked from the alliance except White Rose, Cutting Edge and Nolby Pride..

funny thing here is that this is again not true.. on top of that, cutting edge isnt even IN the alliance, neither is Rabid Badgers, the guild that ruathian is leader off, so why is he even sticking his nose in to things ?

anyways, it makes me a little sad to find out that he is telling ppl lies behind my back, so if u ever have any doubts or issues against me, dont let it be based on something he said, or anyone else for that matter... do a /send to me and try me out instead, I wont bite u unless u bite me.

Edit: after our legion raid where I was leading most of it, and collecting items after the raid, he told alot of ppl that I had taken all items and kept them for my self...

even tho I had already informed most ppl that I was going to do the item split the next day at 7 pm cet (raid was thursday, ended around midnight) since it was getting late and many ppl were logging to get some sleep.

atleast he complimented me on being fair after the split, saying something like 'I dont care what ppl say about you, you did this fair' or something like that...

so what are ppl saying? and are anyone really saying anything, or is it just him putting ideas in to ppls head? :|

 

[BlueJam]

Thank fook Jimli crafts so much, where would I get my 100 qual weapons from. I almost feel sorry for the mobs I hit with the hammer/cleaver he did for my zerker

(This has been an advertisement for Jimli weapons PLC)

 

[big-j]

Fair point Subbiz, it just proves that DaoC is in reality a big soap opera, if someone doesn't like you for any reason, it's all too easy to pass that around.

<Loads Rauthian-Translater.exe, and waits for reply>

 

[Vell]

Really though Subbiz, by posting in a public forum, aren't you being just as bad? Like you said, if Ruathian has a problem with you, he should take it up with you in private. And the same applies for you - if you have a problem with something he's done, take it up with him in private.

I think, rather than it being malicious rumour-spreading, Ruathian has simply misunderstood things that people have said. Perhaps there was a joke that he mistook as being serious?

Can people - and I mean all people - please stop this constant bitching. It's the reason we, as a realm, aren't so hot right now.

If you have a problem with anyone or something they've said, take it up with them in private.

 

[Shaniah]

well Vell if you're being bad-mouthed about it's only natural that you want to know if others think the same way about you, and you want the lies that have been spread about you set to right.
That doesn't happen by talking to the one who spread them, so I understand what Sub is trying to accomplish here.

I had the same problem with a person who had posted that Tiwaz's Emissaries had supposedly started the Midgard alliance for the sake of warring on Nolby Pride. No matter how often we told him that that Alliance wasn't even our idea, and that we tried to cooperate with the Nolby alliance as much as we could, he explicitly refused to apoligse for what he said, saying only "I said what I had to say" and instead "apologised for people getting angry over it".

Bad-mouthers exist, and the only thing you can do about them is convince people of the opposite of what they're saying.

 

[Subbiz]

vell, ruathian reads and posts here, and its a good way to avoid mouth-to-mouth misunderstandings and bending of words.

far from all DAoC players read/post here, but a big bunch does, and thats enough for me. I havent been able to find ruathian most of the time Ive been online since I heard about this first.. atleast I didnt find him on a /who. He still got a chance of defending him self here.

 

[old.amoeba]

Yeah but turning this forum into 1 big bitch is getting annoying. Just ignore the fuckers.

When you look at the stats we have roughly equal players to alb, and more than hib.

And yet all you lazy moofs do is bitch at each other when you should be getting our relics back, and opening up DF for everyone (which afaik has been getting done).

This is a GAME, its here to be PLAYED - so PLAY it.

 

[Subbiz]

Originally posted by old.amoeba
Yeah but turning this forum into 1 big bitch is getting annoying. Just ignore the fuckers.

When you look at the stats we have roughly equal players to alb, and more than hib.

And yet all you lazy moofs do is bitch at each other when you should be getting our relics back, and opening up DF for everyone (which afaik has been getting done).

This is a GAME, its here to be PLAYED - so PLAY it.

since when did it become OUR job to get relic back more than YOUR job ? tell mere where it says that?

and dont give me any BS about that its our job because we are higher lvl, thats a lame excuse, a lvl 20 can lead as well as a lvl 50.

And u say I should just forget it? so when he trashes me behind my back and I loose credit, and less ppl feel like attending to anything I organize (ie. relicraid) and doubt my orders, and in the end everything fall apart because noone wants to listen.. then I should just let go?

get ur facts straight before you talk mister.

but tbh I cant be bothered with anything anymore, midgard is going down and I dont care. ppl are lame, they moan they bitch, you cant do anything right, but if u dont do anything at all, that is wrong also... but I suggest that if u want relics back then go take them urself. Dont expect me to do anything anymore. I dont see the point, when all you get is moaning from little bitches all over.

 

[old.Atrox]

and dont give me any BS about that its our job because we are higher lvl, thats a lame excuse, a lvl 20 can lead as well as a lvl 50.

I remember when a certain player stole the leading role on a Relic raid with the excuz that the leader was to lowlvl to lead a relic raid, and he was 35 atm.
and sub 40ish are not very welcomed by most lvl50's at relic raids, cuz of lag etc etc, so Yes it is our job as highlvls.

ps. Sub was not that certain person
and I dont wanna get involved in this discussion since I dont know jackass about it...

 

[Mundokar]

Point made. Discussion closed.

Thank you

 

[Subbiz]

been on any relicraids since patch atrox? can u say instapopping uberguards? relicraid = forced to be lagfest2000 now, and all 40+ must show up in order to have a chance.

 

[kathal_tdd]

Big things get don (killed) because Sub arrange it.
Legion last week and soon the dragon (i hope)
Im sure PPLs can add more.

You gotta respect that

Kathal 50 Skald Malmo over and out
Aicon 17 Hunter (800+ Fletcher)
Roxx 6 Thane <BOOM> Did I do that?

The Dark Disciples

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by Subbiz

but tbh I cant be bothered with anything anymore, midgard is going down and I dont care. ppl are lame, they moan they bitch, you cant do anything right, but if u dont do anything at all, that is wrong also... but I suggest that if u want relics back then go take them urself. Dont expect me to do anything anymore. I dont see the point, when all you get is moaning from little bitches all over.

Which is exactly the problem with midgard, everyone bitching about everyone else and not working together to try to do something.

We have alliances which refuse to work with each other, people spreading rumors and badmouthing eash other. It's no wonder we're being pissed on by the other realms.

 

[old.rauthian]

o got you fuking fact right it was a member of you own guild that told me you slaged jimli of on as one of the nicest member np have ever had the fact that he like half of the realm is so disgusted with np and there god of mid ideas that he left so what if he was given gold by np to get lvl 999 crafting who dam fault was it he got so pissed off being in np that he left.
and at the same time 5 of your alliance left disgusted that sub would use as to slag him off just cus he now thinks np is not the guild he wants to be in.
lets see whats left in np alliance after what sub did 8 guilds 3 of them now dont realy exist as guilds the only 2 that can be called very good guilds r phrophets and diva all the other left in disgust at sub treating a member of his guild like that and frankly its ppl like sub that has turn 90% of the realm against np but for a few like goku jawz deathwish fatbelly and one or 2 other that show ppl what np use to be like np would be number 1 on most hated.
So your not happy i told ppl the truth about you sub well that life you open your big goob with out thinking slaging of a nice guy like jimli and expect ppl to just stand there and say o well done sub get real ffs.
and when you do a good job i tell you and when your a fuking morron i allso tell you.
you do started this so you tell ppl why 5 guild left your alliance in the space of 1 hour and why 6 member of np long serving members some of them allso left i seen the screen shot of what you said and to be honest i was disgusted at the way you talked as well god you realy need to get a life.
o and atrox it was sub and dranqnr who both stated that lvl 39 as i was then was to low to run a relic raid but as sub put it its ok to spend 3 days talking guilds into going geting the rams rdy myself handing them out to ppl but not to run it as i only been on 4 other realic raids only lvl 50 ppl have the exp to get relics and wha happend 50% of the ppl eft as thay did not agree to allow np to run it thay wanted me to run it as i did all the work involed but np wanted all the glory like the dragom raid i planed np refused to allo there member to go if thay could not lead it thay did not want to plan it only lead so ppl could say wow np did it

 

[Jimli]

<sigh> 1st of all thnx to all the people calling me a nice guy.

hmm, where to start. Lets start with my reasons for leaving NP.

I started an alt and asked the first guild I was in and was homesick for if i could join with her. Still being dutch i got invited back into Dutch Elite. The guys in DE are a mixed lot and most of them play for fun first and xp/rp is 2nd.

In NP fun and RP are for most members the same thing. Perfectly ok by me but not my style.

So the reason I left NP was because I could have more fun with DE. I already wanted to do this for a while but needed to get over a feeling of guilt about leaving them after their huge investments in me.

Rumor control.

I got asked in the beginning for 3 relic raids. I joined the 1st one. The other 2 i was unable to join because of prior RL commitments. After this 3rd raid almost all members were solo RP-farming and NP was unable to get even 1fg together for a raid. (2nd reason why i left, when i get to 50 i want to be able to RvR with my guild)

The night i maked the switch from NP to DE i got a send from Ruathian telling me that 5 guilds left the alliance because of me. After the endorfin rush had settled down a bit i knew it could be 4 at max. DE being the 5th guild and i knew they hadn't left because NP members were supposedly smearing my name. I quickly contacted the other guilds and was told they left because irritation in NP alliance had been building up and they have more faith in Killgorde. None of them had heard any shit about me from NP members.

Most NP members have /send to me that they were sad to see me go and wished me the best of luck for my future. Sub would be the last 1 i would suspect of badmouthing about me. We didn't have that much contact but the things we did talk about we were on the same line and he's disappointed about the same things in NP as i am.

So i will have to confirm sub's original post and add to that that all of us can best threat Ruathian as a sleazy tabloid reporter. Some things he says will be true, other things will be total BS

 

[Thorarin]

Ruathian, I'm sorry if I'm going to sound a bit confusing, but my head is still spinning after that endless stream of words from you

Most people I know think Sub is one of the nicer Nolby Pride members around. Instead of telling people to get their facts straight, present some fact of your own. This badmouthing is not getting you anywhere...

Like Jimli said, you're very much like a tabloid reporter. By now most people know that half the stuff you say is either a blatant lie, or your mind jumping to conclusions.

Don't get me wrong, I've always appreciated what you did for our realm, but you really need to watch yourself as it's these things that are destroying your reputation. So please - for your own sake - don't go making more random accusations on Sub's address..

Grilf should almost be back from holiday. You no longer being in the same alliance and him being being away for the last couple of weeks has left you in need of a new target to piss on, it seems. I guess some things never change...

 

[Subbiz]

Originally posted by old.rauthian
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sorry man I really tried to read ur post... but I had to stop after 5 lines I cant understand what it is u are trying to say.

 

[old.Atrox]

childish..
Sub you came here to get sme fact straight, and let the ppl know your side, you wanned to kill some rumors etc
and when Rua finaly answer and there is a chance to maybe settle afew things, you come up with an answer like that ? IMO you only made this post to Badmouth Rua, since you dont wanna discuss the things you wrote...
Drop it and grow up both of you...

Rua drop it, theres no point to discuss things like this, it wont make anything better, ppl have already made up their minds about ppl and guilds on the server.
The best for Exc\Mid is if ppl stoped careing about what the others do, Exc\Mid is the Home of the selfish( not all but the majority )
Exc\Mid will never be "united" again, unless alot of the Old-timers quit the server and the newer ones reorganize the Realm....

 

[Subbiz]

Im really serious I cant make a sentance out of that post he made, that makes sense at ALL.. and im not even kidding or trying to badmouth him, I really dont understand what he is trying to say.

 

[Sharp Thing]

sub is not the only one having trouble reading it. rua:
LEARN TO USE POINTS AND COMMA'S AND SUCH THINGS and a bit of english lessons would help aswel

 

[Subbiz]

Ok, I guess all it takes is to read the post done by ruathian late at night, atleast now I understood some of what he said..

Originally posted by old.rauthian
o got you fuking fact right it was a member of you own guild that told me you slaged jimli of on as one of the nicest member np have ever had

Who told you that? I would very much like to know. If you dont want to tell me the name in public, then PM it to me. The main reason that I want to know the name is that this is pure bullox, as u can see on what jimli posted below your very own post.

the fact that he like half of the realm is so disgusted with np and there god of mid ideas that he left so what if he was given gold by np to get lvl 999 crafting who dam fault was it he got so pissed off being in np that he left.

Actually he wasnt given much gold from NP as a guild, a few gave him gold as players helping out a crafter, unfortunately. I regret very much that we failed in helping him out. I feel convinced that jimli did not leave NP because of anyone badmouthing him or similar, and afaik noone in NP feel like jimli 'used' us to get to 999 (I think this is what you are trying to say?)

and at the same time 5 of your alliance left disgusted that sub would use as to slag him off just cus he now thinks np is not the guild he wants to be in.

all the other left in disgust at sub treating a member of his guild like that and frankly its ppl like sub that has turn 90% of the realm against np

erhh so you think that alot of guilds left because I badmouthed jimli? in that case, we can thank you for spreading very very evil minded rumours I guess, because as already stated this is very untrue. I had the impression that most guilds left our alliance because of a very big discussion we had over /as wether it was allowed or not to talk emain scrimish tactics on alliance, no matter the scale of the battles.

lets see whats left in np alliance after what sub did 8 guilds 3 of them now dont realy exist as guilds the only 2 that can be called very good guilds r phrophets and diva

How much do u really know about our alliance? because u thought that Cutting Edge was with us, and u said that we would kick everyone but CE and WR from the alliance, and that this was all my idea.
This I heard from 3 different ppl on the same day, and it made me pretty pissed at you, first of all for not knowing wtf u are even talking about, and 2nd of all for not having any facts right at all.
Xuthos was talking some with killgorde about making a small alliance with WR/CE/NP being the 3 leaders, and all making decissions based on these 3 guilds, and then add a few other guilds to the alliance, with the simple and noble purpose of making an alliance where we could talk in /as without being afraid of crossteamers/spies. It was never pulled through, though.

and frankly its ppl like sub that has turn 90% of the realm against np but for a few like goku jawz deathwish fatbelly and one or 2 other that show ppl what np use to be like np would be number 1 on most hated.

Me, or you? Because quite frankly we arent that bad. Many NP members roll alts, and tend to be impatient about rookie exp'ers, and might have a hard time exp'ing with such, and tend to talk down to them. Ive cought myself doing this before and changed my ways, trying to learn ppl less experienced than myself in exp'ing, instead of talking down to them. This is individual attitudes towards other ppl in the game, not guilded. Many others are exactly like any NP'er, the only difference is that NP has been a very dominating guild since day one, because of the fast 40+ players NP had.
It was my impression that a thing like this was the main reason why some ppl had issues with NP.
The pure hate towards us I think is spread by twats like you, because u dont hesitate to spread shit about ppl/guilds, you belong in a soap opera. Ive heard about how you have been badmouthing Grilf alot also, behind his back.

So your not happy i told ppl the truth about you sub well that life you open your big goob with out thinking slaging of a nice guy like jimli and expect ppl to just stand there and say o well done sub get real ffs.
and when you do a good job i tell you and when your a fuking morron i allso tell you.

No ofcourse im not happy that u spread lies and badmouth me behind my back. And you not even being smart enough to face me with what is nagging you BEFORE you start telling everyone shit about me, pisses me off.
And you not getting your facts right before you spread your shit, makes me even more pissed.

you do started this so you tell ppl why 5 guild left your alliance in the space of 1 hour and why 6 member of np long serving members some of them allso left

Heh, once again, try get your facts straight. U are talking about something u dont know. It was more like 3 guilds within short time, the rest left the following days.
And what members left NP? afaik noone left the last week or 2, except jimli. (excluding ppl going inactive :/ )

i seen the screen shot of what you said and to be honest i was disgusted at the way you talked as well god you realy need to get a life.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! send me that screenshot! because I CANT WAIT To see what it is I said about jimli!
But chances are 1 to a million that u got any screenshot of this, and the chances of you sending it to me is even smaller. *sigh*

o and atrox it was sub and dranqnr who both stated that lvl 39 as i was then was to low to run a relic raid

It was? o was it? I remember it was ME who helped you out big time with your first relicraids and ram organizings, because I felt that your intetions was pure, and I figured that if you really wanted to help out the realm, then I would be the one to help you, even tho at that time I wasnt that experienced myself.
However, the 2 raids u arranged, u did BADLY, worse than the average, but noone badmouthed you about it. Some complained, and I put them straight by telling them that they shouldnt complain about your ways before they start doing something themselves.

but as sub put it its ok to spend 3 days talking guilds into going geting the rams rdy myself handing them out to ppl but not to run it as i only been on 4 other realic raids only lvl 50 ppl have the exp to get relics and wha happend 50% of the ppl eft as thay did not agree to allow np to run it thay wanted me to run it as i did all the work involed but np wanted all the glory

LOL SURE? please omg! I remember the raid where u were TOTALLY Lost in forrest sauvage, after we had been running around for 30-40 mins, loosing half the large force we had.. eventually some NP guy(cant remember who) took over leading the way there, but it failed ofcouse, because running around like that for so long does not work out.
And if 50% of the forces leave because they dont like the way the ones leading the relic decides to do it, they sure as hell got something VERY wrong.. if they dont want to follow a leader, they sure as hell should not bother to show up AT ALL!

like the dragom raid i planed np refused to allo there member to go if thay could not lead it thay did not want to plan it only lead so ppl could say wow np did it

you got something up ur arse? because I really doubt this.. I dont know any example of this, but something tells me that u probably fucked up somewhere along the leading part. The only dragonraid I know off where some ppl got mad at NP was because 40 ppl showed up, so the NP group(s) who attended decided to not waste any more time on the raid and suicide on the dragon instead.


Sorry for the long post, and grats to those who read aaaall the way down to the end

 

[Garnet]

Can you drop this post ffs. Do this ingame.

2 things sub here goes...

1 Why did rei join and leave your NP guild so quickly??

2 The last part in your post the one with the dragon part. On the day of that dragon raid where we were gathering in gna faste a rumor was going around (and i only say a rumor) that NP told ppls not to go on the dragon raid because NP wasnt leading it. Like i say dont flame me Sub for this part but like i said it was a rumor what was going around.

 

[Subbiz]

Garnet, Ive heard 2 different reasons, one from Rei one from other NP members, and I have no clue on what it is, so I wont comment that further, but afaik nothing is wrong between Rei/NP and sweetdreams is (i think) still in NP, and she joined together with Rei.

I seriously, honestly, seriously doubt that anyone from NP is stupid enough to encourage anyone NOT to attend to something JUST because it isnt planned by NP. really, I cant find it humanly possible, but I can of course always be wrong... but is that not just another rumour that ruathian spread?

and no, I wont sort this ingame, what about all the ppl that ruathian told lies about me/NP ? should they not be informe? imo this IS the best way to atleast get the word out, that ruathian is wrong on what he runs around telling ppl.

As I said, he belongs in a soap opera. His life clearly is empty without empty encounters.

 

[Olgark]

This is not a good face from our realm and should of never been put here at all. Makes us look weak and divided. Please try and sort your problems out on another forum.

 

[Subbiz]

Originally posted by Olgark
This is not a good face from our realm and should of never been put here at all. Makes us look weak and divided. Please try and sort your problems out on another forum.

lol thats lame.. so I should take this to a forum where noone reads it? then I might aswell just let it go, again, and let him keep badmouthing everyone he feels like. stupid.

If you think this hurt our realm, then blaim ruathian, he is the twat who is making up all this shit.

 

[Garnet]

Originally posted by Subbiz
Garnet, Ive heard 2 different reasons, one from Rei one from other NP members, and I have no clue on what it is, so I wont comment that further, but afaik nothing is wrong between Rei/NP and sweetdreams is (i think) still in NP, and she joined together with Rei.

ok

I seriously, honestly, seriously doubt that anyone from NP is stupid enough to encourage anyone NOT to attend to something JUST because it isnt planned by NP. really, I cant find it humanly possible, but I can of course always be wrong... but is that not just another rumour that ruathian spread?

and no, I wont sort this ingame, what about all the ppl that ruathian told lies about me/NP ? should they not be informe? imo this IS the best way to atleast get the word out, that ruathian is wrong on what he runs around telling ppl.

As I said, he belongs in a soap opera. His life clearly is empty without empty encounters.

sigh ok carry on then both of you and show how immature u guys really are :sleeping:

 

[old.Krogar_Thane]

"Exc\Mid will never be "united" again, unless alot of the Old-timers quit the server and the newer ones reorganize the Realm...."

this quote sums it up, both of you have threatened and or forewarned us of your imminent departure and dissatisfaction with the community, and yet time and again, both of your names come up in relation to these pointless and immature arguments and bad blood.

Sub, Ruathian, you both do deserve each other, i have had the misfortune of grouping with you or your alts both on different occasions, both of them unpleasant.

I hear that Nolby pride are planning to powerlevel three full groups to level 50 in a week on the new PvP server, i have no idea whether it is true, i do hope so tho, because it means Sub wont be on Mid Excal.

Ruathian, i have no idea where u will end up, i can only speak for myself (but i guess its alot of others too), i hope its far away.

whatever any1 says to deny it, the fact is there is still level ego around, and there are loads of level 50s who think they own the show, when its patently obvious that their mere presence is devisive and counter productive to the realm.

let the new guilds rise up and try, where you have failed.

dont post another thread where you threaten to leave, Sub and Ruathian.

next time, just leave.

______________________________________________
the watcher in the water

 

[Garnet]

Originally posted by old.Krogar_Thane
"

I hear that Nolby pride are planning to powerlevel three full groups to level 50 in a week on the new PvP server, i have no idea whether it is true, i do hope so tho, because it means Sub wont be on Mid Excal.



______________________________________________
the watcher in the water

PVP server??

They going to the US servers?

 

[Subbiz]

Originally posted by old.Krogar_Thane
let the new guilds rise up and try, where you have failed.

Have we failed? which guild brought most relics to this realm? Ok, we did, so stfu ok thx!
And a side of that, who have been the most active guild in all matters for a LONG time ? we have, in MANY ways, where noone else cared to do anything(just like now, but NP is less active now, and only lately CE have been taking over and are doing some nice jobs, pulling midgard a bit up from the dirt)

dont post another thread where you threaten to leave, Sub and Ruathian.

next time, just leave.

where do you see me saying that im leaving? gitwit.

 

[old.Lethul]

Humm... this seems pointless ...