Rr2?

[flopster]

why bother giving this guy anymore time, he obviously has his head so far up his own ass, he cant hear or see what a fool he is.

let him be the "KING" uke:

 

[Thadius]

why bother giving this guy anymore time, he obviously has his head so far up his own ass, he cant hear or see what a fool he is.

let him be the "KING" uke:

Aye, by time he realising it, the people in thid all move on upwards to level 50

 

[MKJ]

Thugs mate ... there are some things about you which I do applaude.
You run un-buffed. I cannot stress enough how much I respect that course of action.
You appear to have a non-toa'd toon.
You kill a toon and depending upon the difficulty you wil leave "easy" targets alone after a kill.

However .... and this is where we differ...
You have spec'd a toon to be melee orientated when most stealthers are spec'd to 1 hit casters with PA.
This means they are NOT melee spec'd. They are in fact CS spec'd. Which means they require a stealthed attack to perform the majority of their damge which as a fellow stealther it is unlikeyly they will acheive against you.
Most players in Thid are there for a bit of fun. They do NOT carry the reams of weapons and health pots which you do.
MOST players in Thid feel that exploiting run-though and straffing is poor form and they refuse to perform such actions. You do not.
Consider my main for example...
First toon I ever rolled on DAoC (which was during EU release) was a Mercinary. He was my first toon to level 50.
He was WELL before Mercs became popular. In fact I had real problems finding groups because he was concidered useless in groups.
But !!!
When I play him not in PvE he causes REAL damage because he is a positional fighter. His side positional hits have some of the highest DPS in the game.
In PvE I will exploit this and perform "straffing" and "run-through" actions. When my reactive parry attack comes off and I have the mob stunned I will swing around and use back or side styles.
But!!!
When my same Merc is playing in RvR I WILL NOT perform "run-thoughs" and "straffing" attacks.

You describe your actions as "skill".
I describe your actions as taking the easy route.

You are NOT King of Thid. You never will be in my opinion while you exploit a lack of collision detection.

Ok Rook I will answer each and every point you have brought up and prove you wrong once more. I got some time on my hands at the moment so why not. I am nothing if not obliging .

Point 1 - 'You have spec'd a toon to be melee orientated when most stealthers are spec'd to 1 hit casters with PA.'

Total rubbish. Melee orientated? You gotta be joking. You should try bashing an inf using pillager when he got an af buff up and in good gear - I regularly hit for 25 or less mainhand and 10 or less offhand - so you are way off there. A slash inf will garote me back for 100 - 150 mainhand and anything upto 50-60 offhand. The reason I lay any type of damage down is from swapping to a 2 hander for plunderer - which is evaded more often than not.

Point 2 - 'Most players in Thid are there for a bit of fun. They do NOT carry the reams of weapons and health pots which you do.'

Well I must agree with you there but everyone knows that I will not attack a new player more than once or anyone I don't consider a worthy opponent. I attack anything new be they blue to me to test them out. A blue in sc gear and buffed is a tough opponent. So you are wrong about me there. I spend ages and ages just watching players enjoying themselves and the last person a newcomer has to worry about is me. They probably find me helping them rather than anything else. I only attack the well twinked alts who I know are in the best gear and well buffed. Them I lose against at times but it keeps me on my toes and I nearly always eventually kill them one on one. Once again you have been proved wrong.

Point 3 - 'MOST players in Thid feel that exploiting run-though and straffing is poor form and they refuse to perform such actions.'

Absolute crap. The only ones that don't perform the above are out and out damage dealers who have no need to do so. Hell when I played my zerker he never bothered with run-through through obviously he could and would if pushed. Damage dealers with tons of hits are face to face fighters. Sbs are like little children to them. How the hell do you expect me to kill them - and I do - when I would die in just a few hits? Barmy. Ontop of that many heavy damage dealers never learn the art of run-through. It is not as easy as people think. You mess it up and you will definitely take more damage than dish out as you will get hit in the back more often that not. Again - rubbish.

Point 4 - a merc struggling in Thid - or at level 50? Now come on who the hell are you trying to kid. They are the most uber alt in the game. No need to do anything bloody thing bar stand still and slug away. Get in trouble and bang - dirty tricks. Forget it m8. If you compared my sbs to something incredibly soft and easy to kill I could see the reasoning behind it all but to do so with a merc is just silly. Eh who am I talking to here - a 10 year old?

Above - paragraphed and all points dealt with. Now wot?

 

[Rookiescot]

Point 1 - 'You have spec'd a toon to be melee orientated when most stealthers are spec'd to 1 hit casters with PA.'

Total rubbish. Melee orientated? You gotta be joking. You should try bashing an inf using pillager when he got an af buff up and in good gear - I regularly hit for 25 or less mainhand and 10 or less offhand - so you are way off there. A slash inf will garote me back for 100 - 150 mainhand and anything upto 50-60 offhand. The reason I lay any type of damage down is from swapping to a 2 hander for plunderer - which is evaded more often than not.

So a toon which spends points in CS and therfor cannot spend the points in weapon skill is on the same par as you? You are deluding youself here Thugs. I might also point out that that "garote" has a defence penalty. How easy do you want it?

Point 2 - 'Most players in Thid are there for a bit of fun. They do NOT carry the reams of weapons and health pots which you do.'

Well I must agree with you there but everyone knows that I will not attack a new player more than once or anyone I don't consider a worthy opponent. I attack anything new be they blue to me to test them out. A blue in sc gear and buffed is a tough opponent. So you are wrong about me there. I spend ages and ages just watching players enjoying themselves and the last person a newcomer has to worry about is me. They probably find me helping them rather than anything else. I only attack the well twinked alts who I know are in the best gear and well buffed. Them I lose against at times but it keeps me on my toes and I nearly always eventually kill them one on one. Once again you have been proved wrong.

So you agree with me then prove me wrong? Please Thugs try and stay on topic.
I have already stated that you do not spam kill toons which prove no challange.
However .. how do you KNOW which toons are SC'd? Buffs I can understand .... its easy to see them drop but how do you KNOW a toon is SC'd or "twinked".
Just because they hit you hard?
Maybe they are melee spec'd just like you?

Point 3 - 'MOST players in Thid feel that exploiting run-though and straffing is poor form and they refuse to perform such actions.'

Absolute crap. The only ones that don't perform the above are out and out damage dealers who have no need to do so. Hell when I played my zerker he never bothered with run-through through obviously he could and would if pushed. Damage dealers with tons of hits are face to face fighters. Sbs are like little children to them. How the hell do you expect me to kill them - and I do - when I would die in just a few hits? Barmy. Ontop of that many heavy damage dealers never learn the art of run-through. It is not as easy as people think. You mess it up and you will definitely take more damage than dish out as you will get hit in the back more often that not. Again - rubbish.

Ah my favourite so far ... this one is priceless.
This says to me .... I've spec'd my toon in a certain way so theres some toons out there which I cant kill. Ergo I will use underhand tactics in order that I may acheive a win. Poor form mate. Very poor form.
If you aint able to beat a toon then you dont take it on.
Thats the thing with DAoC ... its paper, rock, scissors.
Thats what most people find disgusting about you. You will use an exploit to ensure that scissors beats a rock.

Point 4 - a merc struggling in Thid - or at level 50? Now come on who the hell are you trying to kid. They are the most uber alt in the game. No need to do anything bloody thing bar stand still and slug away. Get in trouble and bang - dirty tricks. Forget it m8. If you compared my sbs to something incredibly soft and easy to kill I could see the reasoning behind it all but to do so with a merc is just silly. Eh who am I talking to here - a 10 year old?

Ah LOL you utterly missed the point of my post.
I wasnt comparing a Merc to a SB. I was simply saying that performing a run-through or straffing required no skill. I wouldnt describe myself as being a particularly skillfull player. If indeed skill is required in DAoC. Howver my point is that if I can perform these uber leet skills which you credit yourself with then the point becomes mute.
Its simply a matter of personal choice.
My life is not so devoid of content that I feel I have to carry out exploits to win a game.
Yours obviously is and in some respects I genuinly feel sorry for you Thugs.

 

[MKJ]

You Rookie are off your trolley. I have wasted enough time on you. All your points have been ripped apart and anyone in their right mind would see the flaws. Every one of them.

Forget it m8. Go play your uber merc and have fun but don't dare ever to try my path cos you ain't got the guts or the ability and never will.

I might boast and brag but all of it has always been backed up by proof. All the idiots that have taunted me I have killed. Take out the vamps and practically everything else has been killed by me whilst unbuffed. I can count the alts that have managed to survive against me on one hand - just a very few. Manisch (only when buffed) and a few mercs.

All my tactics can be done back to me by anyone so the stuff you are talking is utter rubbish. I ain't been cheating ever. Just using my knowledge about the game to play it well. Too good for you and everyone else m8 and always will be.

 

[CuddleBunny!]

i would be very happy if thugs could fuck off.

 

[MKJ]

Yo Cuddles

This you?

Wasn't the above u?

Hehe - who was running around in that film eh? NOT ME!

Rest of the crap

 

[MKJ]

Peace brother. Am fed up of picking fights with all and sundry. Am gonna tear you apart with my music. I reckon I can get far more response with emotive guitar playing. You is gonna be shocked. Get the hankies ready. You gonna need em.

In the meantime enjoy this track by me mate - kinda - James Connolly.

Seagulls - dial up here Seagulls

James Connolly

Probably sums me up nicely .

 

[CuddleBunny!]

that guitar bit you had on your webbie was kinda awfull.. sounds like random plucking... -_- and if you look a bit closer on the film you can clearly see i'm not trying to strafe etc. cause if i were i wouldn't run to the side of you and face away for a sec or two.. gotta be a retard if you can't see it's lagg -_-

and i'l say it again, please FUCK OFF! god damned lamer

 

[MKJ]

Ok m8 we all got our strange tastes. Wot about the above? Nice eh? I needs loving I tells you not war! Flower power!

Lag sure is odd eh - affects you even if you standing still you reckon? Wot were you doing then cos I never moved an inch - just stuck to you?

You know I coming to the conclusion you and Rookie belong in the same camp. You either very young - at the most 19 or just plain dumb. You gotta chance to improve as you get older with reading etc but being plain dumb is harder to sort out. Oh well just don't cross my path in real life cos I fecking hate numbskulls!

 

[Rookiescot]

Ok m8 we all got our strange tastes. Wot about the above? Nice eh? I needs loving I tells you not war! Flower power!

Lag sure is odd eh - affects you even if you standing still you reckon? Wot were you doing then cos I never moved an inch - just stuck to you?

You know I coming to the conclusion you and Rookie belong in the same camp. You either very young - at the most 19 or just plain dumb. You gotta chance to improve as you get older with reading etc but being plain dumb is harder to sort out. Oh well just don't cross my path in real life cos I fecking hate numbskulls!

So Thugs, you have found yourself in a postion of loosing the arguement so decide to ignore it and simply resort to insults.
How very mature of you.
I am starting to suspect that you are mentaly unstable.
My advice to you is simple Thugs. You need to spend less time on your PC and go out into the real world.

 

[Wai]

I have never laughed so much at a thread like this in ages... the self proclaimed king of thid as he knows how to abuse a game

Honestly all these ppl like rookie who have pointed out the huge gaping flaws in yr arguments m8 not only know how to argue but do so without resorting to petty insults and then you call them the immature ones?

using insults in an argument/discussion is just another form run-throughs and strafe abusing, u feel good bout yrself cos u think you beat the other person, but to everyone else you just look the loser

thugs = yesterdays king of thid - todays best guitarist alive - tomorrows king of the world and greatest human in existance?

 

[noblok]

So a toon which spends points in CS and therfor cannot spend the points in weapon skill is on the same par as you? You are deluding youself here Thugs. I might also point out that that "garote" has a defence penalty. How easy do you want it?

Might I also remind you that garotte has a 0.75 growth rate and with that it is the highest damaging anytime style in the game, only matched by doublefrost which isn't usable in Thidranki. I also doubt that 21+5 spec can be bad for your style multiplier [(Growth rate*spec*speed)/unstyled cap.]. On top of that they also have the highest damaging reactionary style by far (Hamstring, with a growth rate of 1.15) in Thidranki.

The fact that garotte has a medium defense penalty is neglegible. Most anytime styles (the taunts) have a medium defense penalty. The pillager-plunderer chain which Thugs uses has not, but the damage output of that chain is also lower than that of the taunt styles (average of 0.525 compared to 0.6).

Also, according to Wyrrd's formula your effective weaponskill is capped at your level and higher spec only affects the style multiplier. This means that an infiltrator with 19+5 weapon spec and 21 CS has got capped weaponskill and the highest possible growth rate style in Thidranki. Most infiltrators I know don't do this however, because the strength-con debuff is a lot more usefull than that extra bit of weaponskill.

That same strength-con debuff is also more useful against melee characters than it is against casters, so you can hardly say that an assassin in Thidranki can only kill casters because he's speced for PA. As a matter of fact, PA is a really hard hitting style, no matter what target you hit. If they cannot pull of a PA on Thugs they'll just have to practice more.


Blokkie, Thane/Excalibur

 

[Illudian]

A comment to ppl that say walktru requires no skill. I think it does, if you want it to be effective you'll have to get your timings right. In fact, ive used this 'abuse' the last time I was in thid to knock off a fully buffed 2h skald. Whether its lame is a different story. But then again, its also lame to run with buffs. Running buffed requires no skill. Most 1 on 1 melee fight dont really do. It gets interesting when you can take 2 vs 1 or chain 1 on 1's.

As for an assasin not being able to take down normal fighters 1 on 1, hell you werent really made for that were ya?

Caster > Melee
Melee > Stealthers
Stealthers > Casters

If you want to play a spec not involving the Critical Strike spec line you 'should' be considered gimp for any assasin class. I dont think the game was made for assasins to have a chance to any melee class.

oh-eh blokkie, you wouldnt happen to know what style hits hardest for a merc? mine is lv28 now

 

[noblok]

Google: Wyrd's spreadsheet

Looks like I forgot one class when saying that Critical Strike had the highest damaging anytime and reactionary styles though. Hand to hand has even higher growth rates, but that doesn't really matter in this discussion .

 

[CuddleBunny!]

Ok m8 we all got our strange tastes. Wot about the above? Nice eh? I needs loving I tells you not war! Flower power!

Lag sure is odd eh - affects you even if you standing still you reckon? Wot were you doing then cos I never moved an inch - just stuck to you?

You know I coming to the conclusion you and Rookie belong in the same camp. You either very young - at the most 19 or just plain dumb. You gotta chance to improve as you get older with reading etc but being plain dumb is harder to sort out. Oh well just don't cross my path in real life cos I fecking hate numbskulls!

you claim to have great knowledge of the games movement, but still you dont know what happens when 2 people stick eachother?
and starting with irl threats? lolz0rs... i'd be happy to cross your path irl....

 

[Haroat]

You Rookie are off your trolley. I have wasted enough time on you. All your points have been ripped apart and anyone in their right mind would see the flaws. Every one of them.

Forget it m8. Go play your uber merc and have fun but don't dare ever to try my path cos you ain't got the guts or the ability and never will.

I might boast and brag but all of it has always been backed up by proof. All the idiots that have taunted me I have killed. Take out the vamps and practically everything else has been killed by me whilst unbuffed. I can count the alts that have managed to survive against me on one hand - just a very few. Manisch (only when buffed) and a few mercs.

All my tactics can be done back to me by anyone so the stuff you are talking is utter rubbish. I ain't been cheating ever. Just using my knowledge about the game to play it well. Too good for you and everyone else m8 and always will be.

you cant kill a merc in thid? oO and hit for 20-25 mainhand? what the fuck?! i hit for that offhand, unbuffed, and no, im not toa'd. you hit for jack all :s i wouldnt mind a duel vs you mate, try walkthrough on me if you wish, it wont get you anywhere

oh also, how old are you? you act like a full of yourself 12 year old, but seems to me your looking down on 19 year olds, im 19.. a shit load more mature than you i might add.

 

[Haroat]

A comment to ppl that say walktru requires no skill. I think it does, if you want it to be effective you'll have to get your timings right. In fact, ive used this 'abuse' the last time I was in thid to knock off a fully buffed 2h skald. Whether its lame is a different story. But then again, its also lame to run with buffs. Running buffed requires no skill. Most 1 on 1 melee fight dont really do. It gets interesting when you can take 2 vs 1 or chain 1 on 1's.

As for an assasin not being able to take down normal fighters 1 on 1, hell you werent really made for that were ya?

Caster > Melee
Melee > Stealthers
Stealthers > Casters

If you want to play a spec not involving the Critical Strike spec line you 'should' be considered gimp for any assasin class. I dont think the game was made for assasins to have a chance to any melee class.

oh-eh blokkie, you wouldnt happen to know what style hits hardest for a merc? mine is lv28 now

i agree and dissagree (with different points, obviously)
an assasin can kill ANY class in the game, hence the term 'assasin', it just depends on how they spec, envenom is their special skill, with that combined with everything else, they can kill any class, it just depends on how high they spec in different matters

as for walkthrough, it is a skill depending on how its used, if its used purely to stop the enemy getting a shot or 2 off on you, then thats lame, if its used to get onto a rear style chain, then its skill

 

[MKJ]

Hehe - blimey these guys are backing me up. Nice going lads. The thinkers are the hardest opponents so am not sure whether to praise you or not. Infact you both get to be 'watchable' - a deff hazard.

I done it all in this game now though and don't really know where to go from where I find myself. More often than not I would log on and just use my stealth to watch the action without taking part. Just a way to relax. I burnt out I think and have been forra while now. Great game though and I wish every player the best. The game helped me immensely through some tough life crisis. They are over now though so I need to move on. Pity really cos the game and Ultima before it were so exciting to me it was incredible. Now though I value my health a bit more and realize that sunlight is actually good for you and so is a little socializing (note the word little). I feel like I running out of time now at the age of 48 and haven't the time to devote to playing games. After all a few years of playing this game and what will you have to show for it? 3 years of the same devotion to playing the guitar will put me in a better league that many pub performers - infact way past. Dunno really. I might activate my account and just continue to log on late at night and watch the action like I have been doing forra while cos I really enjoy that. The 'ghost stealther that only watches'. Notta bad title

 

[MKJ]

you cant kill a merc in thid? oO and hit for 20-25 mainhand? what the fuck?! i hit for that offhand, unbuffed, and no, im not toa'd. you hit for jack all :s i wouldnt mind a duel vs you mate, try walkthrough on me if you wish, it wont get you anywhere

Eh who r u?

I kill unbuffed mercs without too much offa prob - only the well buffed ones cause me concern. Eh and me unbuffed always. What you on about?

Yu dead right there I do hit for sod all. Don't stop me killing everything though does it? Even monster hitters like Sanguine - the one that pissed me off recently - Urgat. Little bit of brain power applied through a haze of alcohol halted that person's dominance over me. I just don't accept defeat and never will cos I know there is always a solution somewhere.

 

[CuddleBunny!]

reply to me, retard.

 

[Lenore]

thugs, u said that you could count the people that have survived you ( as in won ) on one hand??

so therefore that means you arnt king because u havent killed EVERYONE.

so in conclusion your claims are retarded and please fuck off


EDIT: doh this is Dagger/Mystikstew (played looong ago), not lenore, she left her acc logged on.

 

[Aoln]

I done it all in this game now though and don't really know where to go from where I find myself.

you've barely scratched the survice.. the game starts at 50 ...

 

[Illudian]

so true

 

[Bugz]

you've barely scratched the survice.. the game starts at 50 ...

Even though Aoln sucks to a great extent he is right :>

 

[MKJ]

reply to me, retard. <---Cuddlebunny

Sure but you haven't said anything? Something about 'stick' but apart from that nowt. Wot you want me to reply to?

 

[Urgat]

Eh who r u?

Even monster hitters like Sanguine - the one that pissed me off recently - Urgat. Little bit of brain power applied through a haze of alcohol halted that person's dominance over me. .

Eh?

ok, lets break each fight down shall we... We had four.

Fight 1 -

We started in stealth, i landed PA on you after finding you then hit you twice more whilst backing off, so you couldnt run through. You died, i had not been touched



Fight 2 -

You didnt want to start from stealth.. fair enough, We ran together, and i proceded to Garrote kite you, to recover my horrible 6second swing speed. Againm, i was hardly touched, and you were destroyed.


fight 3 -

My phone rang, i never styled once, and you destroyed me <Laughs>


fight 4 -

This was our "proper" duel, i was backing of, but you had snared me so it was for all intents and purposes... a "fair" fight. You won, but ended on 1%, after a last minute evade... but wait!... you use Multiple weapons, potions. and i use... a 2 hander, that i cba to swap about. no spare weapons, no potions etc etc.



Now explain to me how the above is "stopping my dominence"

If you could just see... you are good at what you do i agree...... but so am i, so are many thid players... you are NOT the best... and i will prove it any time you like, and you can record it if you like.

 

[MKJ]

You are nasty little jerk ain't you Urgat. The only fair fight was the last one. Me use a potion in a duel with you? Nope. The last fight was how you should have fought in the beginning. Not with putting imbalance on me and immobilizing me when you knew I wouldn't use imbalance back on you. I even mentioned the fact to you that you knew that I never use imbalance as I have said so on this forum over and over. As luck would have it I had some on me so was able to stop you from running off. Uptil then I had no chance. Also making me use imbalance in a duel makes me lose a great deal of damage output cos instead of poisoning you I had to put bloody imbalance on 2 weapons.

Another thing - you don't do well again't dual weilding alts? I ain't. I have to lay down damage with a 2 hander during plunderer. That gets evaded a great deal. So that puts me in your boat except in your case you are cs specced and dish out 150-200 a time with that mourning rage axe whereas I hit for a lot less than that. Am pretty sure you evaded my strikes too.

I ain't bothered one jot by our fights. I was out of my skull and to be honest I am surprised I managed to eventually drop you - 2x.

You use multiple weapon? Why would you want too? I have to cos my poison does most of the damage whereas your damage is from your cs and weapon spec. Also you mentioned you had never learned how to swap weapons.

Lets face it I took you out in a 'fair' fight even though you are a very high damaging sb. That means of the 2 of us I am far more suited to killing peeps in Thid as I can kill easier by other means. I can hold my own against all the armsmen - bs etc out there - whereas you? Nah won't work. You get lucky for sure but for consistant killing you will fail, especially against stealthers.

Overall I am quite happy .

By the way I am pretty sure you sb is TOA'd too - right?

 

[CuddleBunny!]

your opinion of a fair fight is not like anyone else's, thugs, you fucking retard

 

[MKJ]

Yup - fair fight is exactly that - a fair fight. Not exploiting stuff you have learned from reading my posts. Using imbalance on me is like cheating in my opinion. Same as stealth. I can't target friendlies so I can't stop a perf attack intime. If it was an inf I can handle it but an sb - nope.

Fair fight - face to face unstealthed.

To be honest using imbalance was a very good tactic and I used it myself in duels but it just makes the fight a mess from my point of view. Even so I overcame it cos Urgat tried to use it on every fight. Meant I had to piss about with imbalance to sort it out.

It is a lot easier for me to duel enemies cos I can lose targetting on friendlies when I swap weapons out of my bag. Very tricky to be honest.

Drunk as a skunk during that last fair fight and had to stop after cos I was too pissed to carry on . Still did the business intime though didn't I.