Roy Keane leaves Man Utd

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Marc said:
I partly agree with this. Remember the all conquering Liverpool team of the 80s? Dalglish, Keegan, Rush et al would of died for that club.

Yes and they still would, thats says alot about modern day players to be honest. I can only think of a couple of players at United now who would really die for the cause.
 

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Brite said:
would like to know how many of these united fans with opinions have actually been to a game this season

roy keane is so over rated because hes just acts like a twat which apparently passes as captaincy, and most united fans obviously aspire to being twats

paul scoles is twice the player keane is, one of few united players to be under rated, maybe because he plays no nonsence football


Went to a few last year but I don't have the money anymore because of my medical condition. Right now I would agree that people are overrating Keane, he is not the player he once was and yet he earns insane wages and misses half the season. Paul Scholes needs a kick up the arse, he hasn't had a good game in 8 months, I know I was there.

As for the rest of your comments, they aren't even worth addressing but I guess I will. Please remember that not all United fans are loud mouthed knob-heads from Salford or southern glory hunters who will jump the Chelsea bandwagon in the next few years. Some of us are actually decent human beings who don't treat fans of other teams like shit, we are the kind of people who will sing when we are losing unlike 50,000 of those gob-shites who attend Old Trafford 19 times a season. I know that pretty much everyone in this country has met a United fan who is a complete **** but please please don't make the mistake of thinking that all of us are like that.
 

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Gerrard and Lampard are not defensive midfielders so of course they...

Gerrard is a amazing DMF. He holds the ball up well, Gets back well, Occasionally breaks forwards, and its a great play maker.

most importantly, hes like a 5th man in defence.
 

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LOL @ "mutual consent". My ass it's mutual. Anyways, respect to Keane for being up front and saying it how it is at Utd. The only person at that club who was worth listening to. Is it a good move for Man U? Who knows...only time will tell. Seems Ferguson has decided to back the pretty boys (Fletcher et al.) and get rid of Keane - it's a decision which one way or another will determine how quickly he (Fergie) retires...
 

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cHodAX said:
Gerrard and Lampard are not defensive midfielders

Lampard may not be, but Gerrard is possibly the best in that role around - it's just he also happens to be equally effective in a more attacking role. He might not play there for Liverpool, but if Eriksson has the nous to stick him there for England he'll do it better than any other Englishman available.
 

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first and foremost u guys have got to vast and exquisite knowledge on football one of the biggest propaganda ploys ever...

but on the other hand if u really think Roy Keane is a nothing in the team u guys have another thing comming.. Roy Keane and Garry Nevile in my eyes are the only die hard players man united have/had left.. if it wasnt for keane saying what he said and rileing up the team, man united would not have beaten Chelsea.. roy keane is also considered one of the best captins ever.. that being said i honestly couldnt care about man unted due to the new corperation that has bought in, they are dead to my eyes as it is.. like said before, football is just another corperation game no true values anymore
 

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Are you guys smoking something? Gerard has played the holding role for England many times and failed time after time, that is why the press are always moaning saying that Lampard and Gerard cannot play together because they are so similair. When he is allowed to play his natural central midfield role and can spray the ball around the guy is simply sensational. Not as good a finisher as Lampard but a much better all-rounder.

As for Liverpool, Hamman has been the workhorse in that Liverpool midfield for years, yes Gerard does make alot of solid challenges and has a great engine but he plays as an out and out central midfielder for Liverpool, not as a defensive midfielder. You stick him in in the holding role and you kill the best part of his game, he distributes and attacks not sit/hold and cover then break up play. Yes the guy can defend and for that reason I rate him as England's finest midfielder, he has more sides to his game that Lampard but he doesn't have the disicipline to play that holding role for 90 minutes and he has spoken about that on a couple of occasions.
 

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Yes and they still would, thats says alot about modern day players to be honest. I can only think of a couple of players at United now who would really die for the cause.

Im wracking my brains to actually think of any modern day players who love the club they play for. Only one I can think of is Raul.
 

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Im wracking my brains to actually think of any modern day players who love the club they play for. Only one I can think of is Raul.

The same Raul who loves his club so much that he treatens to leave if he doesn't get a starting place for 2 games in a row? The guy pulled that stunt a couple of times in the last 2 years, sure he is eager to play but to blackmail the club his supposedly loves doesn't convince me that he is one of the genuine few.
 

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If you want players who will die for the cause, then I would say Gerrard for Liverpool, Ferguson for Everton, Shearer for Newcastle, Gary Neville for United, John Terry for Chelsea, Kevin Nolan for Bolton and then the names start to run out. I am sure there are quite a few others but there are never more that 1 or 2 in any club these days, that means no more than 40 in the whole Premier League :(
 

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Marc said:
Im wracking my brains to actually think of any modern day players who love the club they play for. Only one I can think of is Raul.

Henrik Larsson... then some other swedes, maybe not of the same calliber but with a great attitude as well. I reckon theres plenty of other players of other nationalities, no doubt, with the same spirit but I'm not into football that much anymore to be able to name anyone.

One reason is that generally speaking most swedes are tought to be happy over what they got, and that noone is greater than the team. This seems to be accurate for everyone in our national team except one... But god what I love him. :D
 

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Are you guys smoking something? Gerard has played the holding role for England many times and failed time after time, that is why the press are always moaning saying that Lampard and Gerard cannot play together because they are so similair. When he is allowed to play his natural central midfield role and can spray the ball around the guy is simply sensational. Not as good a finisher as Lampard but a much better all-rounder.

He's never played the true holding role - which is to sit in front of the back 4 and stay there. Only time he's played that pure role was after King went of against the Argies. Other times he's still got forward. His natural game is as you say to get forward, and you can argue it's a waste of his abilities to sit in front of the back 4 - but that's where the problem with playing him and Lampard comes in. You need 1 player to sit there, as Butt did in the last World Cup and King has done recently - and having seen Gerrard play live several times I guarantee that he is more suited for the role than any other Englishman I've seen. He reads the game better than King, is as strong in the tackle and his passing allows him to turn defence into attack in an instant.
 

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Marc said:
Im wracking my brains to actually think of any modern day players who love the club they play for. Only one I can think of is Raul.


Lee Hendrie at Villa. But he's thick as shit.
 

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cHodAX said:
The same Raul who loves his club so much that he treatens to leave if he doesn't get a starting place for 2 games in a row? The guy pulled that stunt a couple of times in the last 2 years, sure he is eager to play but to blackmail the club his supposedly loves doesn't convince me that he is one of the genuine few.

So by the same token why are you mentioning Gerard? He was going to leave if they hadnt of won the champions league.
 

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So by the same token why are you mentioning Gerard? He was going to leave if they hadnt of won the champions league.

Yeah you have a point, I based my comment on his tireless workrate and commitment but I guess when the chips were down he was just another greedy footballer.
 

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...... too, he gets his lifelong dream of 2 years playing at Celtic earning top notch wages. He gets 2 more years of potential Champions Leauge football and gets to play in a much much easier domestic league which can only benefit both himself and Celtic. Even with his history of injuries and his age he would still be by far the best midfielder in the Scottish Premier League, he will cope with the pace of Scottish football much easier.

Bollocks
 

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Marc said:
Im wracking my brains to actually think of any modern day players who love the club they play for. Only one I can think of is Raul.

Shearer, and a theres a few of the younger Newcastle lads who have came through the academy.
 

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