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[Mofo8]

Ok.. so a whole nations dreams should be shattered due to a few fucktards. Great logic there.

I think the idea is that you sort out the fucktards.

... and it wasn't the whole nation's dream!

 

[mank!]

I'm not 100% sure I made any sweeping statements.

I'd say your initial statement was rather ill-informed. Although I doubt any true England fan has any capacity left to do anything after tonight, think there will be isolated incidents in pubs around the UK though.

If anything the "so-called" part of my statement appears to back your argument that most proper fans are decent and just over there for the football and the atmosphere.

Not really, you still inferred that it's related to football and people who like football are football fans. The majority of troublemakers are still in the UK which is why there was trouble over here after the France game and not in Portugal.

So, what you're saying is that the ones in the Algarve weren't English fans? Just 'cause they were in the Algarve and not where the games were being played? Pish!

I imagine that there would be just as many people arrested on a normal Saturday night out in your average English town as there was on the Algarve. UEFA have already come out and said - based on Portugese Police reports - that the trouble was NOT football related, as a matter of fact I recall one of the incidents being caused by somebody trying to drive through a crowd of people.

Let's get it straight.... I'm NOT claiming all English football fans are hooligans. I AM saying a certain amount ARE trouble makers, and arseholes, and enough of them seem to have made it over to cause bother. Therefore, I was reminding you that you were lucky enough to have got to this stage in the tournament.

A certain amount would be a certain minority who are still in England as the football authorities have done their job. You seem to forget that Croatia's fans have been singled out for their behaviour this tournament, the only people making a fuss of England fans are people who have very little knowledge of football and the fans and rely on the media for their information.

UEFA came out and stated categorically that there was no football related violence in Portugal, that's why we didn't get kicked out - not luck.

edit: btw, this argument gets more and more boring everytime it comes around. I may start copy and pasting my responses from previous threads in a bid to save time and effort. Or I might just give up and let you carry on by yourself.

 

[Miles_Binck]

hopefully the Czechies to win it now with Baros, Nedved, Poborsky, Heinz and Rosicky playing extremely well.

 

[Dillinja]

Yeah, I'm rooting for the Czechs now, they are the only team that I can say really deserve to win it so far.

 

[Doomy]

bastards

 

[Zill]

What I find difficult is going out of the tournament due to the referee's bias/fuck up* in disallowing a perfectly legitimate goal. And now we have another penalties fiasco to add to our misery in competitions. 'Kin great.

* delete as applicable

 

[Doh_boy]

A few things

I understand, just about, the decision about the goal. Refs have to err on the side of goalkeepers. Still, saying that, it was still a dodgy decision. Also the random giving and not giving free-kicks was weird as well.

I've been more impressed with Owen Hargreaves this tournament, most of the times before I wondered why the hell sven bothered playing him.

 

[]SK[]

We might have lost. We might have had our winning goal stolen by a ref who should have gone to specsavers. But at least we know we got further than the Germans, The taffs and the Jocks.

Taken from another forum

 

[Cdr]

http://www.ursmeier.ch/referee/ref60.html

Let him know just how you feel

 

[Gurnox]

Yeah, I'm rooting for the Czechs now, they are the only team that I can say really deserve to win it so far.

I'm going for the Greeks. Underdogs rule!

The Czechs should win it though. Their team is performing so well. And it has a rock-solid midfield, something which we were sorely lacking last night.

It comes to something when your midfield improves after bringing on Phil Neville............

Oh, and Beckham had a shit tournament and is fully deserving of some critiscism (Maybe he should have imagined he was in a Pepsi ad when he was taking those penalties?). Utterly awful. Why Gerrard was subbed and not him is beyond me.

 

[Doh_boy]

I'm hoping the media don't do their patented (and retarded) scapegoating someone for the exit.

Also I'm backing the czechs because they don't seem to give up. Most games have been lost because the team decides to sit on their lead. The czechs never seem to stop pressing.

 

[mank!]

there will be isolated incidents in pubs around the UK though.

Seems as if I was right unfortunately.

Trouble flares in Jersey

Big shame, but if the troublemakers aren't in Portugal then they'll still cause trouble here unfortunately. At least our police can do something about it over here. However, taken from the same piece:

The English fans since they have been here have known both defeat and victory and in each case they have behaved in a very civilised way

 

[Dillinja]

I was hoping for a pitch invasion after the game and that Urs would have his head stamped on a few times more than anything.

 

[Gurnox]

I was hoping for a pitch invasion after the game and that Urs would have his head stamped on a few times more than anything.

I'm more in favour of him having his scrotum nailed to the goalposts. Let the punishment fit the crime, I say.

 

[Ivan]

All in all a badly played game by England. However, i would give 9 to Cole and Lampard maybe.
They should not have tried playing that defensively after that goal on 3rd minute. If you compare the stats, Portugal was dominating the game.
Ref was a patronising bastard, who twice (of what i saw) disregarded his assistants decision (mainly im talking about the goal here and a few throw ins).
All in all English curse is alive, cant take the penalty shoot out. I wasnt expecting Beck to miss 3rd in row penalty btw, but when Vassel stepped to the penalty line i knew it was bloody over.

Thank God its referees last career game (as far as i heard).

 

[gunner440]

the referee apparently said he gave the foul for a previous challenge/push by campbell in the box. nothing to do with terry/ricardo.

 

[Gurnox]

the referee apparently said he gave the foul for a previous challenge/push by campbell in the box. nothing to do with terry/ricardo.

He ruled out the goal because he bottled it in front of the home crowd. There was absolutely no infringement by any english player.

 

[Dillinja]

I don't even think he bottled it. I think he took a hint from somewhere that he must give any decisions that might look slightly 'off' straight to the Portuguese as they are the home team. Fact is though, the goal didn't look the slight bit dodgy, I've seen hundreds like that go in at international and club level, never disallowed.

 

[mank!]

I can kind of see why the referee disallowed it, there was contact between Terry and Ricardo but how often do you see a footballer jump for the ball with his arms down his sides?

 

[DaGaffer]

I can kind of see why the referee disallowed it, there was contact between Terry and Ricardo but how often do you see a footballer jump for the ball with his arms down his sides?

Yeah but if look at the footage from behind, Ricardo fell into Terry not the other way round - Terry had every right to be where he was and was actually moving away from the keeper.

 

[mank!]

Exactly, and that's not even mentioning the fact Terry didn't take his eye off the ball for a second.

 

[Thanatlos]

You can argue about it all you want if it was valid or not but the fact is you can't do a thing about a referee's decision and in the end it's the team that must correct any errors they make.

You should win by your own supremacy, not by exploiting the referee..

There were similar discussions with holland - czech republic. With a red card that clearly wasnt' one and a penalty that should have been given to v. nistelrooij.

Although dutch had an advantage in the match against latvia with the referee with the penalty and an offside goal.
you can keep complaining or ignore the fact that you get an advantage from a referee, in the end you can't do anything about it but try to do your best as a team and win by being better than the opponent.
And in the end the better team won, even though it might have been unfair (same thing with holland - czech republic)

personally i'm hoping for a holland - czech republic final, loved that match and want to see it again, only better!

 

[mank!]

It's a football thing, slagging off the referee and discussing it and dissecting it until the next big fuckup comes along. Of course we can't change anything but it does allow some of us to get it out of our system, and yes, to an extent it gives us someone externally to blame.

If that chance had never come along and it was 1-1 at fulltime I think Portugal would have won deservedly as we were not upto scratch and we didn't match them. However, luck plays a huge part in football but you can't rely on it and I believe it does even itself out over time, our second goal against Switzerland was pure luck for example.

I've not been impressed with Holland in the tournament and so many of their players seem to have an attitude problem, I have difficulty wanting them to win although I know so many Dutchies online and they're all extremely nice, so I wouldn't complain if they won. I've been impressed by Denmark as well, but I think they lack too much to beat the Czechs, who I think will definitely be in the final.

 

[Clown]

I just hate how England has to make it difficult for themselves in EVERY game they play. You know if they were playing like that against France, Holland or even the bloody Czechs, we would have gotten mullered.

 

[old.user4556]

Funny Clown, because i said exactly that today at work - against France with that performance and we'd be dead and buried.

Think of the flip side. Rooney is out with injury. Imo, that seals their fate because they just seemed to collapse as a team without Rooney. If they played against France, like that, without Rooney; it was finished anyway.

Still, they are out, end of. I'm still a little gutted.

 

[mank!]

I've recovered very quickly. I was depressed about Swindon going out to Brighton on penalties for a good few weeks, it still does get to me occasionally. I consoled myself by buying the new England away shirt today on a complete impulse, hooray!

 

[Dillinja]

I'm still licking my wounds, that game hurt deep. Too many emotions at once, nearly killed me off.

 

[Mofo8]

Go these sent to me today...

 

[mank!]

Do the people of Scotland really have nothing better to do than mock the English?

 

[Mofo8]

Do the people of Scotland really have nothing better to do than mock the English?

I can't speak for the whole nation of Scotland, but, I personally don't really have anything better to do this week, as I'm on holiday.