Relic whine etc..

[pudzy]

Just read on IRC that we're NOT getting a rollback so that we have our relics... I can't understand the difference between thismorning and when hibs took the power relics the other day... I couldn't log in, along with the rest of people I know... so GOA - How the hell can we defend our relics if you cant run the server properly? We couldn't log in because of YOUR TECHINICAL ISSUE's...

Anyone with a tiny bit of savy will agree with this. If we cant defend our relic's because of a mass server issue then it should be reset.

If we had the OPTION to defend and didn't take it I could understand.

GOA staff - your not educated imo.

 

[cHodAX]

Ok pudz I will explain, the login server was not *down* but it wasn't running at 100%. Many people WERE able to log onto Prydwen before/during/after the relic raid. I know many got diverted to US patching servers but that is GOA's fault not the relic raiders of Albion. The relic raid had been planned 48 hours in advance, it wasn't a spur of the moment raid to exploit the fact that some people couldn't log in. Also there were over 160 mids online at the time of first guard pull, so defence was possible.

 

[nuky]

Originally posted by pudzy
I can't understand the difference between thismorning and when hibs took the power relics the other day

dark age of CAMELOT etc etc


really though if people cant log in for any length of time, be it 10 minutes or 10 hours and there is a relic raid on how can the attacking realm be justified in keeping the relics? even if the login server was down for a short period of time, it delays and defence (that had to change accounts/were just logging in) by those 10 minutes, while the attacking realm is free to what they want from there on


IMO any server problems should make RR's void - be it hib, mid or alb doing the raids.



Disclaimer: i really have no idea of what exactly happened this morning, just what i have read, so if i am mistaken about anything, apologies in advance

 

[Edlina]

FYI chodax there were also mids online at the time of the hib raid and it was also planned in advance, so that's not valid arguments at all.

Oh, and it was also goa's fault not the hib raiders fault...

 

[vestax]

cry more pudzy

 

[Indiana Jones]

the difference between sunday and now, is that nobody ingame crashed

on sunday midgard and albion lost 90% of their players, leaving their frontiers/relics undefended. Meanwhile the hibs didn't crash

today, ingame players didn't crash, so the frontier wasn't undefended. Atm of the relic raid there was a normal amount of players (for a weekday morning) online in midgard, who could defend the relics.
True, reinforcements were impossible, but the same goes for Albion. And the only way to get reinforcements is by using irc and so. Ppl ingame were still able to switch to main chars

 

[mavericky]

Does it really matter that logon server was down, I think we would of lost them to a well planned relic raid raid at such a time anyway. All we need to do now is get them back, not worth whineing about it

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by Edlina
FYI chodax there were also mids online at the time of the hib raid and it was also planned in advance, so that's not valid arguments at all.

Oh, and it was also goa's fault not the hib raiders fault...

Read the whole damn post, people were logging in during the raid. Not everyone but that isn't the fault of Albion, you also had more than enough to defend but were too slow to react.

 

[Edlina]

Originally posted by Indiana Jones
on sunday midgard and albion lost 90% of their players, leaving their frontiers/relics undefended. Meanwhile the hibs didn't crash

Uhm, actually more than 40 hibs crashed in the midgard frontiers (and it was only the albs there that crashed as well) and a whole lot couldn't log in, but nm o.0

 

[Edlina]

Originally posted by old.cHodAX
Read the whole damn post, people were logging in during the raid. Not everyone but that isn't the fault of Albion, you also had more than enough to defend but were too slow to react.

Uhm, read my whole damn post, so what that some could log in, when I led the hibs raid mids had defenders there which was the same t.t

 

[astarib]

i admit there may well of been 170 mids online at 1st guard pull, but when i saw first relic leave there was only 60 by my estimate that a 110 mids who tried to defend an couldnt get on thir relic raid being planned means u had the advantage of lucking out on the timing of the downed server . But we still would of had a 110 more defenders

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by Edlina
Uhm, read my whole damn post, so what that some could log in, when I led the hibs raid mids had defenders there which was the same t.t

Lol, Mids had 160 + people online so they could defend. How many when the Hibs raided? A shitload less I can assure you. Oh and you took advantage of a server crash, we had the raid planned for days and there was no server crash just network problems that caused 50% of people trying to login to get routed to US patching servers. We would have taken relics regardless of the network problems, the shout didn't even go out on IRC till we were on the 2nd door and even then only 3fg turned up out of all the Mids online.

 

[Edlina]

Originally posted by old.cHodAX
Lol, Mids had 160 + people online so they could defend. How many when the Hibs raided? A shitload less I can assure you.

Because you had a mid friend tell you, or?

<sigh>

It's still the same, even if the numbers aren't the problem is.

 

[pudzy]

Originally posted by old.cHodAX
Lol, Mids had 160 + people online so they could defend. How many when the Hibs raided? A shitload less I can assure you.

I'm wondering how you albs know how many people we have online..?

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by Edlina
Because you had a mid friend tell you, or?

<sigh>

It's still the same, even if the numbers aren't the problem is.

I have a Mid next door neighbour for your information, he was asleep during the raid but he came round and told me that there was alot of Mids on when the relics fell or at least that is what his guildmates are saying.

 

[rynnor]

Originally posted by old.cHodAX
Ok pudz I will explain, the login server was not *down* but it wasn't running at 100%. Many people WERE able to log onto Prydwen before/during/after the relic raid. I know many got diverted to US patching servers but that is GOA's fault not the relic raiders of Albion. The relic raid had been planned 48 hours in advance, it wasn't a spur of the moment raid to exploit the fact that some people couldn't log in. Also there were over 160 mids online at the time of first guard pull, so defence was possible.

Personally I think its pretty much a moot point to argue over the relics since I doubt Mid could have defended against such numbers at that time and thats fair enough.

I dont think anyones suggesting you staged this Relic Raid to exploit the problem either - unless you already have a big zerg for some other reason like a dragon raid spur of the moment RR's just arent going to happen.

Did the problems with the login server begin around the timed start of the Relic raid when people were gathering tho?

I have a nasty feeling that its people logging in from Excalibur for such planned events that creates these problems by overwhelming the feeble login server - I dont know - maybe we will find out on the next relic raid?

I think GOA needs to do 3 things:

A.) Come up with clear guidelines for what constitutes a rollback situation so that its clear to all parties.

B.) Upgrade the server so that the game can actually be played as a mass rvr system that it claims to be without all these crashes.

C.) Work out how to eliminate the current bottleneck at the login server.

 

[mannschaft]

Can't believe this CRAP! Now albion gets help from GOA in their gaming.

And worse is, albs defends it. No surprise there. They need daddys help to take a pee it sems.
I among others tried to log on, could not do it. Loads of mids has alts logged there, since all of us know you were after the Str relics.

GOA, if this is true, no relic rollback, well....i lack words to describe how pissed i would be.

 

[Derric]

Is that tears I see on the cheeks of you poor mids?

 

[Cstasy]

Originally posted by gudrex
I don't think we have to worry...there's no way Goa gonna allow a relic raid during a server crash

Originally posted by Eliz
/humming

Rolling...
Rolling...
Rolling back the relics

Originally posted by Mid_Blejsarus
and soon they back after roleback ^^

All mids .. All wrong .. Again.

 

[mannschaft]

Originally posted by old.cHodAX
We would have taken relics regardless of the network problems, the shout didn't even go out on IRC till we were on the 2nd door and even then only 3fg turned up out of all the Mids online.

So sure you are, are you?

I say no way in hell you would have gotten it. No way.

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by pudzy
I'm wondering how you albs know how many people we have online..?

Pudz I have spoken before about this on IRC so it is fairly well known, yes I have a next door neighbour who has played Mid since beta. He has never blabbed any info about forthcoming raids, he took the piss out of me for sleeping when we lost the strength relics. He is a die-hard Mid and just wouldn't do that to his realm. You only have my word on that but we have spoken before and you know I am not a cunt, my word is all I have.

 

[Edlina]

Originally posted by old.cHodAX
I have a Mid next door neighbour for your information, he was asleep during the raid but he came round and told me that there was alot of Mids on when the relics fell or at least that is what his guildmates are saying.

sigh, I was talking about the raid hibs did, silly alb, and the problem still remains the same.

 

[mannschaft]

Originally posted by Derric
Is that tears I see on the cheeks of you poor mids?

Stfu dickhead.

 

[ghoul]

QQ

 

[Derric]

You know you can cry on my shoulder if you feel like you need it.

 

[nuky]

Originally posted by Derric
Is that tears I see on the cheeks of you poor mids?

probably just duguist at mythics love child (alb) getting 'speshal attention'

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by Edlina
sigh, I was talking about the raid hibs did, silly alb, and the problem still remains the same.

I don't see what you are getting at Edlina, the mids will freely admit that they had a handful of defenders for your raid but they had 'NO' chance of getting any backup. There were Mids logging on *DURING* the Albion relic raid and that is a *FACT*. Ask GOA to check the logs if you don't belive it. Also the Mids had enough people online to defend against our raid, they had so few people online duringyour raid that they had level20 people defending. Our raid didn't happen during server crash but yours did, at the time of the network problems today there was a roughly even number of mids and Albs online.

 

[Derric]

I don't know what duguist is.

 

[brite]

your all saying the fact that some could log on ? SOME ? NOT ALL ? that means there WAS a problem..... and you keep stating that thinking your agrueing against it.....

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by brite
your all saying the fact that some could log on ? SOME ? NOT ALL ? that means there WAS a problem..... and you keep stating that thinking your agrueing against it.....

And some albs/hibs couldn't log on either, that doesn't change the fact that you had enough people to defend but were slow to react. According to logs we were at the relic keep for 37 minutes from guard pull to exit. 3fg Mids turned up. We had no chance of getting any backup and you only had the Mids online plus 30+ minutes to react.