read and decide

[Lamp]

Self Defence

Best for selfdefence and actual streetfights are probably juijitsu, judo, kickboxing and wrestling.

I think its important to remember that a high percentage of fights will end up on the ground. In these situations, styles like jitsu, judo, and wrestling have an advantage over the primary kick and punch styles.

Judo's great, but you can't count on having enough time to lock someone up or throw them. Wrestling also has its advantages, but I'm not sure a wrestler will be able to disarm someone who's trying to stab you in the face with a weapon.

You've also got to remember that a lot of situations preclude you from doing big moves - that's when you need a style which teaches you effective close-up work. I've done door security work at a few pubs and clubs - you need quick, effective techniques in such situations.

Perhaps the MOST important thing you'll learn is perception awareness - how to avoid trouble before it occurs. Its not always possibly to avoid or diffuse problems, but with some training, common sense, and the right attitude, you will be more aware of who and what's around you - and that can save lives.

If anyone wants more details on jui-jitsu, PM me. We have clubs all over the UK - loads in London.

 

[Tasslehoff]

About Wing Tzun - well, kungfu is pretty damn worthless in a real fight. As is taekwondo and other flashy martial arts. Karate is a borderliner since it does contain useful stances and techniques, and generally concentrate more on balance and controling an area, but also has some archaic and totally meaningless techniques. Best for selfdefence and actual streetfights are probably juijitsu, judo, kickboxing and wrestling.

Can't call Wing Tzun flashy though, you learn to get hit on the head, and hit people on the head. As some people I know have taken up Wing Tzun again, I'm definately going there, just wanted to hear people's opinions on it.
Thanks for voicing your opinions (Including the others)

 

[Ezteq]

firstly i would like to say to everyone thank you for your input, i titled the thread read and decide for a reason, i wanted all opionions not just the ones i agree with.
DocWolfe I do understand what you ment and in the years ive had this phobia there was nothing more i would have loved than to have pulled me socks up and got on with it, which i've done now.


Had a meeting with the HR lady today and had to go over it all again, yes i want him fired but not for revenge or because im nasty but simply because i truely would not feel comfortable working with him, the job i do involves me trotting about the whole factory and i would have to bump in to him sooner or later and tbh the idea of that makes me very wobbly I dont think im scared of this guy but he makes me nervous now and also because i work in the oven room alone a lot of the time and if he did decide to start anything i would be alone and that does scare me.

The HR woman was very very nice and said that the company has a program which involves occupational therapy even though ive had psychologists etc in the past i havent actually had one when ive been in work and so this is all new terratory for me she suggested that going to see the OC we could work round my problem with contact (hasten to add Not so i will learn to accept being pinched on the butt or touched innapropriatly but so that i wont totally freak out if it happens again, honestly on monday i was totally inconsolable).

She said that she's seeing X tomorrow to hear his side (which tbh is only fair) then it will go on from there so its more or less out of my hands i've just got to go and say my bit when the time comes.

Many thanks for all your encouragement, advise and similar tales all you guys out there who suffer with phobias thank you for sharing and never ever feel embarressed because of them, one way to look it at is that they made you who you are now and tbh you all sound pretty groovey.

Will keep you posted on how the tribunal goes and also on how my 1st class goes next week (this is a reallly big thing im totally looking foward to it)
Haaaaaaaaaaaaai Yaaa!!

Thanks again
Ez
xxxx

 

[Ctuchik]

This isn't like school, where you can get the bully expelled and forget about it.

Work places are like a second family to some. If that's the case here, the strength of his relationship to the others should be taken into account. Otherwise you could become an outsider. This doesn't mean that Ezteq should put up with him. He just needed something more solid than a polite warning to get the point across.

He sounds like a prankster who can't take a hint, A "No means Yes" thinker.
Well he'll think differently now, regardless of the outcome.

if he cant get 3 NO, and a explanation as to WHY Ez dont want to. then he fking deserves to get fired. and probably blacklisted at every workplace in UK to just to be certain.

 

[haarewin]

Will keep you posted on how the tribunal goes and also on how my 1st class goes next week (this is a reallly big thing im totally looking foward to it)
Haaaaaaaaaaaaai Yaaa!!

good luck! please don't twat me round the head with a stick

 

[Jeriraa]

one way to look it at is that they made you who you are now

Heh yeah, I see it that way too. But if I could choose to live my life again or be born dead I would go for the 2nd option. Waaaaaay to much shit to go throu.

 

[DocWolfe]

I'm sorry but, all the people who have been criticising what I've been saying are underestimating the strength of willpower. If you want to get yourself out of a state be it pyshcological or otherwise you can if you set your mind and you have the urge to do so.

I have a mate who's a cripple, he was crippled from the waist down ever since he was 16 due to a motorcycle accident. For a time he stayed in his house, I guess you could say he was an agrophobic because he was afraid he couldn't stick up for him self and was afraid of how others would judge him, and basically he felt like shit and was on anti-depressants. The only thing we could do was support him and encourage him, and eventually he got fed up of staying in his house, and finally thought "fuck this I need to get on with my life", and he did just that. Now he comes out on nights out with us, and has a fucking good time, and now 3 years down the line he even has a girlfriend now something he feared he would be doomed never to have.

He had the willpower to do something about his life, instead of being stuck in that rut. This is to all those who reckon I dont know jack shit about the subject, your wrong I do.

Sorry to hijack this thread Ez but I think this can contribute to all these people with similar problems. Instead of basically repeating 100 times get the guy fired, I'm concentrating on how to best deal with the whole issue at hand rather than the simple instance that brought back the initial fears.

Ez has even said herself that she eventually "pulled up her socks" and got on with life instead of staying in the house in constant fear, WHICH I have a great deal of respect for, and I hope if I ever get into a similar situation I will take the similar steps to get myself out of it. Hope everyone can understand that I'm not necessarily intending to be uncaring but often being harsh is the only way to solve things, and it encourages people to fight back, and actually prove themselves- and thats where willpower comes in.

 

[DocWolfe]

I also just want clarify I at no point said or meant to imply that phobias should just be dismissed the person should be nurtured, it's only the actual person who can get themselves out of it, but a caring word or encouragement can go along way to helping their willpower, but they need to know that their fear is irrational there's no point covering it up. I think thats why many people considered what I said harsh and insensitive.

 

[Outlander]

on FH being harsh only makes ppl flame you

 

[DocWolfe]

I'm into S&M anyway

 

[Lakashnik]

baggy clothes hair up under a baseball hat.

sounds like the kinda lady i go for.
i have a phobia of women that look good and show stuff off. just automatically makes me think bad things about them, not like doing bad thing to em i know how hlf of FH perverted minds work.
m not kidding it seriously does..
im friends wit like 4girls i detest for no reason, i know how nice they are, i have even had a chance to go out wit 1 of em. and she plays games fgs. but i wont even tho shes amazing.
spleh

hope things work out tho miss ez. fun reading ur random posts here. cant have u getting depressed and stressed and stuff.

 

[Thorwyn]

guideline to dealing with harassment at work

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3003

 

[Ezteq]

guideline to dealing with harassment at work

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3003

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after the day ive just bloody well had i needed a bit of a laugh and a beer /glug.

X went in this morning and gave his statement in which he denies ever having touched me, said that i backed in to him and was prodded by something on his toolbelt, that i have never ever asked him not to touch me and that he didnt hear when i yelled at him.

Sadly as there were no actual witnesses (the 2 chaps i was with were infront of me at the time) it looks as if he will get away with this as its purely my word agaisnt his and for all they know i could have a deep seated grudge against him and be a blathering compulsive liar.

The management will continue to interview people about weather or not he has acted this way before and blah blah blah tbh almost considered just giving up but then he'd be winning so bollocks to that, its just not going to be as easy as i hoped it would be (call me naieve but i was hoping he would have admitted it and that would have made things go better for him tbh).

any hoo will keep update as long as folk are interested.

 

[Rookiescot]

<chuckle>


after the day ive just bloody well had i needed a bit of a laugh and a beer /glug.

X went in this morning and gave his statement in which he denies ever having touched me, said that i backed in to him and was prodded by something on his toolbelt, that i have never ever asked him not to touch me and that he didnt hear when i yelled at him.

Sadly as there were no actual witnesses (the 2 chaps i was with were infront of me at the time) it looks as if he will get away with this as its purely my word agaisnt his and for all they know i could have a deep seated grudge against him and be a blathering compulsive liar.

The management will continue to interview people about weather or not he has acted this way before and blah blah blah tbh almost considered just giving up but then he'd be winning so bollocks to that, its just not going to be as easy as i hoped it would be (call me naieve but i was hoping he would have admitted it and that would have made things go better for him tbh).

any hoo will keep update as long as folk are interested.

Backed into something on his tool belt ?
Shit I gotta remember that one ....

On a serious note Ez .. the thing about these things (and I have done a few similar cases in my work as a WSM) ... its not a court of law.
This excuse he has come up with will probably be sufficient for him to get off with this.
Because your employer will not want to be potentially open to a case of "wrongfull dismisal"....they may very well let this incident slide for want of witnesses.
HOWEVER .....
This incident will be recorded on his personal file and although the management may feel unable to act in this case they WILL know within themselves that this dude was at it.
If the management within your work have any balls they will simply wait till he screws up again, for anything, and nail him for that.
Thats what I would do. And knowing my fellow WSM's ... they would do the same.
In short .. most likely his "card is marked" and any self respecting manager will simply wait for a chance.
But whats important for you to remember is that YOU did nothing wrong here.

I hope whatever the outcome you are able to put this incident behind you and please... dont let one fool set you back.

 

[Ezteq]

Right, final update, hopefully an end to this sordid little tale is at hand
had a meeting today with some bods from work and they tell me that the situation is resolved X has been formally discaplined and will be moved to another area where he will have to stay from shift start to end, he has also been told to stay away from me and any contact iniatiated by him towards me is forbidden.

I was told that he fully understands this and is increadibly sorry (yea hehehe bloody well better be) and they were all very nice and must say the company delt with this fantastically all wrapped up in about a week, also have been reassured that they will be watching him like a hawk.

So Hurrah for the little guy! bear this in mind folks if something happens to you or a loved one tell em to stick up for themselves, people should never get away with making others feel bad.

The End.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Heh, good to hear ez very good to hear