reach for that onion

[xane]

poor little pop star

 

[mankatron2001]

on the flipside, it might encourage people to buy it too!

i for one, if i like an album i've downloaded i'll usually go and buy it, even if it's so just so i can have my own VBR rips of it

 

[JohnyWishbone]

Hmmm, well I'm split on this, I agree that artists should be paid in fees and royalties from sales of their music. But if the record companies would sell them cheaper, rather than lining their own fat pockets with mahoosive amounts of money, people would not rip them of.

We all know it costs buttons to manufactre the cd's.. I know the outlay might be big, recording costs, paying people like Robbie Williams millions and millions while sacking employees WTF.

Were'nt some record companies gonna distribute over the interwebby, to combat piraters ? but the prices were the same as the fookin CD !! Sort yourselves out you shamefull faceless organisations.

Oh, and I deffo wont be trying to get MnM's new music or whatever it's sposed to be, he's crap. But if he wants to come to my gaff, I'll knock his block of for him.

 

[old.Lordy RAA]

fact is we are paying for the artist that flopped big time. Also what is irritating the price diverances between countries. If I look at the prices here in Holland and in the US and Germany , the prices in Holland are way up. UK has a high pound now but used to be cheaper then Holland

 

[inqy]

what annoys me is the (so called) cds that do not even work in computers now. thats just 'kin gay. I mainly listen to my music on my computer, so this is real kick in the teeth for me ;(

 

[Daffeh]

Eminem is a such a prick though

he's already been paid by the label, so why should he care?
i thought people made music because they enjoyed it, NOT just to make mega bucks


and selling these new cd's with corrupt tracks, to make them not work on computers is borderline criminal in my opinion, selling deliberately faulty goods

 

[Munkey-]

cd's range from 10 - 13 quid out here for the normal ones.

tapes are only 4 quid.



would buy the tapes but I like to keep my music on my computer instead of lugging my stereo around the house

 

[xane]

Originally posted by jizzy
what annoys me is the (so called) cds that do not even work in computers now. thats just 'kin gay. I mainly listen to my music on my computer, so this is real kick in the teeth for me ;(

Consider this a temporary setback.

At the moment, regular hi-fi CD players containing the filtering techniques to override the anti-piracy do not have digital output as standard, it wont be long now before people will get hold of "chipped" players to kick digital audio into the PC and thus record them normally, the only problem being a low record speed (1x).

The extensive file-sharing network will ensure that whilst you may start with only a few digital copies they'll quickly proliferate, not everyone needs access to the special CD player, in fact more people may well become dependent on music ripped in this way as they are unable to play or legally record from their own CDs.

You could always use a felt tip pen however

The future holds more proprietry types of media, rather like Sony's Minidisc, by having the ability to control the media protocols as well as produce the music that goes on them, a company can eventually disable home piracy. Philips originally designed the standards for Compact Discs, they are now owned by Universal Music, a major record comapny, so just like Sony you'll be seeing a new generation of the "CD".

Again, what is ignored is how this just makes more people dependent on non-physical media forms of playback equipment, like MP3 players. Do they actually expect people to start ripping out their expensive car CD players to put in a proprietry format, I think not, they'll go for the cheaper and more durable option.

Remember, all this only effects _distribution_ of music, the actual production and performance will not suffer financially, it may even benefit. Why Emmy-M is annoyed is futile, he'll still be able to charge $50 ticket at his next sell-out gig and may even get more adoring fans because of all this.

 

[Daffeh]

down with Sony?

 

[(Shovel)]

Some of this copy protection is not only "faulty" but also behaves like a computer virus.

The fact that it denies our right to our legal backup is also illegal.

The ironic thing is that I don't have a CD player. I use my PC for everything. So by stopping me from listening to them, I will actually be FORCED to download a pirate version. As a protest I will of course return the CD...

 

[xenon2000]

Some artists actually don't mind their music being uploaded or shared, and some even support it, like Moby for example.

Now his last album didn't do well at all, did it... *cough*

The follow-up has just hit #1 here too. Those whinging cunts like Metallica, Eminem et al should learn a thing or two from it.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Daf
Eminem is a such a prick though

he's already been paid by the label, so why should he care?
i thought people made music because they enjoyed it, NOT just to make mega bucks

You don't get paid by a label, you get an advance (which you owe the record company, it's basically a loan to 'make' the album), then you begin to earn money off the royalties of sales as long as you sell lots.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by camazotz
Philips originally designed the standards for Compact Discs, they are now owned by Universal Music, a major record comapny, so just like Sony you'll be seeing a new generation of the "CD".

SACD, new format jointly developed by Sony and Philips, it's just starting to become used widely in America, it also has a stringently designed surround system setup, it *should* be the replacement to CD as it's being marketed by pretty much every US record company.

 

[xane]

The SACDs currently in use are in fact hybrids, they will work on both regular CD players and the newer ones to be announced, eventually the record companies will produce SACD format only.

As I said, I cannot envisage people ripping out their expensive car CD players to replace them with SACD players, if anything people will either replace them with non-physical media units (like MP3 players) or retain their CD players and use rip-n-burn technology from their PC/iMac, after all a CDRW is pretty much standard equipment nowdays.

Of course, Sony/Philips could always strike a deal with car manufacturers ...

 

[Daffeh]

if mp3's werent shared over the net i wouldnt have brought half of the cds i currently own...FACT

so many labels and bands have GAINED money from the net in that way...what are they complaining about?

 

[mankatron2001]

SACD is Secure Audio Compact Discs, or something right? I've heard a bit about them, but have never seen them anywhere. They seem to be a popular subject in the staff room at work too :/

 

[mankatron2001]

Originally posted by Daf
if mp3's werent shared over the net i wouldnt have brought half of the cds i currently own...FACT

so many labels and bands have GAINED money from the net in that way...what are they complaining about?

the exact same goes for me, i've got into bands who i'd never even hear off if it wasn't for the internet, friends sending me mp3s, and reading forums etc. The problem is record companies can only see the remote possibility they would lose money, not bloody likely, not with CD prices as they are here :|

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Record companies are in favour of people having previews to music that encourages them to buy more albums, however, what they don't like is people downloading the few good songs that are on a album, the music industry generally is based upon 3/4 good albums a song and the rest filler, however, mp3 sharing programs defeat that, why pay 15 quid for 3 songs.

SACD (Super Audio Compact Disc) will end up taking over, simply because it will be sold on the basis of quality. Much in the same way that naysayers said why would people replace VHS players with expensive DVD players. Car audio is not the market that makes or breaks a format, most people still 'make do' with tapes or even the radio in cars. I'd also imagine those that have very expensive in car cd players will be the sort of person who wants to stay at the forefront of technology, exactly what SACD represents. The fact that SACD compatability is built into newer DVDs and will continue to do so will only help it proliferate.

Plus the fact that they are bigger is nice, 256 minutes maximum for a dual layer disc.

 

[Daffeh]

surely the way to fix that, is not screw us up with this bullshit

how about they make GOOD songs?


or is that too simple?

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Alternatively, how about they don't charge so much, etc.. etc..

All cuts into the large record company manifesto of give the customer as little as possible for as much as possible.

 

[old.Jas]

Hehehe - its already number 2 in the digital top 10 (http://www.gracenote.com), and its not been released yet

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

I think a lot of that is down to the culture of piracy, Kiddies want to have the latest relases for no reason other than they are the latest releases.

 

[Embattle]

SACD is not a copy-protection device. I do use my computer to listen to CDs and stories such as http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/new_media/newsid_1912000/1912466.stm bug because they don't have the balls to release it in America were they would get sued.

I don't mine paying £15 for an album but as long as other countries do too since there are no regional differences in manufacture involved.

At the end of the day EMINEM isn't different from the other singer etc, he hates pirates etc coz they cut his profits even though he try's to act outrageous he most probably puts on a pair of woolly pink slippers on when he gets home. BTW thats a typical response from some one who is all mouth

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Uh, they have released numerious copy protected CDs in the US, the most famous probably being the "Fast and Furious" soundtrack released on the 18th of December in the States, it was copy protected and had the ability to crash PCs

 

[xane]

Originally posted by Embattle
SACD is not a copy-protection device. I do use my computer to listen to CDs and stories such as http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/new_media/newsid_1912000/1912466.stm bug because they don't have the balls to release it in America were they would get sued.

SACD is a new type of format, the players for this new type will be licenced and will obviously include anti-piracy feature and be prevented from producing digital output, like DVD players are already, although it is possible to mod a DVD player, some people have to do this to work with the big screen TVs that only allow digital input.

At the moment, SACDs are hybrids, when you put an SACD into a standard CD player you are not touching the SACD portion of it, the copy protection will come into effect when it is placed in a SACD compatible player.

Originally posted by Embattle
At the end of the day EMINEM isn't different from the other singer etc, he hates pirates etc coz they cut his profits even though he try's to act outrageous he most probably puts on a pair of woolly pink slippers on when he gets home. BTW thats a typical response from some one who is all mouth

If Emmy was smart he'd agree up-front payments rather than rely on royalties, if he hasn't done this already. Almost all big name stars do this nowdays. A lot of money is also earned in "needle-time", merchandise and live shows, plus additional benefits if your song is chosen for an advert or background music to something like a computer game. The RIAA who currently chase file sharing piracy represent distributors not artists.

 

[Nighty-]

Eminem is really fucking shit. Period.
"I'll beat the shit out of anyone who uploaded my music" - so it's him versus about 500,000+ people? Great ...

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass
Uh, they have released numerious copy protected CDs in the US, the most famous probably being the "Fast and Furious" soundtrack released on the 18th of December in the States, it was copy protected and had the ability to crash PCs

Oooer....i believe one woman is already sueing.

 

[xane]

Originally posted by Nighty
Eminem is really fucking shit. Period.
"I'll beat the shit out of anyone who uploaded my music" - so it's him versus about 500,000+ people? Great ...

He should have said "I'll beat the shit out of anyone who uploaded my music and didn't erase it afterwards", then it'll be a one-on-one match

 

[FunGas]

hmm - I'd really like to say something, but I only sell them
I thought SACD's wouldn't play on a CD player
anyway, considering the price of SACD gear - I think it'll probably take off very slowly.

How many SACD albums are there?

 

[xane]

There are "hybrid" SACDs, will play on both.