re: herjulfs relic raid thread.

[noaim]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
http://www.camelotherald.com/townsquare/

Doesn't look like it's counted as crossrealm communication since it's an official page and they are encouraged to used it.

Apparently, you are wrong, Noaim! (irony with nicks own)

I wish you were able to read, dont you aswell?

If you used that braincell of yours, you would see that I am not saying it is wrong to post dragonraids and such on the forum.

I do however say that by Tildas way of reasoning, it is. See the difference?

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
http://www.camelotherald.com/townsquare/

Doesn't look like it's counted as crossrealm communication since it's an official page and they are encouraged to used it.

Apparently, you are wrong, Noaim! (irony with nicks own)

Besides, you can aswell post a relicraid as an event there, it isnt limited to PvE-raids as far as I can see.

It would be fucking stupid to do it, but you are allowed to?

Therefor, using your own argument, this thread was not cross realm communication.

You wanna stop making a fool out of yourself now or you wanna go on?

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by noaim
Ok, but how about dragonraid threads, legionraids threads and so on?

A dragonraid thread can make people attack your realm while you are on the raid, should they be forbidden aswell?

That is a much cross realm communication as this, even if it is not meant for it, but neither was this RR thread.

If you haven't noticed it's considered terminally stupid to post specific dates/times for raids in ones own realm, normally it's mentioned, outlined and then details are distributed ingame.

Of course you could do a misinformation thing "RR on saturday at 9pm one week from now" then do something totally different, I don't see the point in passing on any rvr information of this nature on a forum except to screw with things in a very serious fashion.

Sure tilda could have had a different agenda but under the circumstances I can't disagree with what was done, don't think there are many of us who would be happy at info posted on BW that screwed up our realms RR.

It's only slightly less real time than irc etc and even less so than the usual method of raid planning, which normally involves a week or two of gaining support/bodies/rams and releasing details to guildmasters/officers closer to the actual time.

Abuse of power as a mod or not, Tilda did something very common sensical and a good thing imo.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by noaim
I wish you were able to read, dont you aswell?

If you used that braincell of yours, you would see that I am not saying it is wrong to post dragonraids and such on the forum.

I do however say that by Tildas way of reasoning, it is. See the difference?

Aah, I understand. Does your rhetorics always consist of brain dysfunctional insults? You don't know me well enough if you are trying to insult my intelligence

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by elerand
If you haven't noticed it's considered terminally stupid to post specific dates/times for raids in ones own realm, normally it's mentioned, outlined and then details are distributed ingame.

Of course you could do a misinformation thing "RR on saturday at 9pm one week from now" then do something totally different, I don't see the point in passing on any rvr information of this nature on a forum except to screw with things in a very serious fashion.

Sure tilda could have had a different agenda but under the circumstances I can't disagree with what was done, don't think there are many of us who would be happy at info posted on BW that screwed up our realms RR.

It's only slightly less real time than irc etc and even less so than the usual method of raid planning, which normally involves a week or two of gaining support/bodies/rams and releasing details to guildmasters/officers closer to the actual time.

Abuse of power as a mod or not, Tilda did something very common sensical and a good thing imo.

This guy got it, noaim didn't hit the target.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
Aah, I understand. Does your rhetorics always consist of brain dysfunctional insults? You don't know me well enough if you are trying to insult my intelligence

WEll took you 4 pages to get it, you dont seem very smart to me. You even posted something that made your point wrong, smart? Not very.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by elerand
Sure tilda could have had a different agenda but under the circumstances I can't disagree with what was done, don't think there are many of us who would be happy at info posted on BW that screwed up our realms RR.

I have to ask you something. How many people do you think browse these forums, really?

Why dont you, tomorrow at the time of todays event, log on and check how many browers there is here.

If it is enough to screw a relic raid, then sue me, if not, I can sue you ok?

Considering all the fucking "To: X" "We owned you" threads that stays on the forums, it is a fucking shame a valid thread that has to do with the game gets deleted.

And as I said many times before, by Tildas way of reasoning, dragonraid-threads shouldnt be allowed either, but did she delete albs dragon-raids thread? No, she put a sticky on it...so noone can say "ohh but you gotta report the thread to a mod, we cant read all threads" and so on. It is clearly abuse of power, nothing else.

One last thing. What do you consider has the biggest chance of ruining something? People reading about a planned PvE-raid, and planning a RR against given realm, when they are away, or a thread like this?

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by noaim
WEll took you 4 pages to get it, you dont seem very smart to me. You even posted something that made your point wrong, smart? Not very.

I skim certain posts from certain posters. Even I can miss something while browsing at the same time as I watch TV.

 

[noaim]

And how is it wrong trying to get people to defense AFTER we found out about the raid in a valid way?

It is not like if we had a spy, or an alb posting here. An SB spotted you, we found out, and someone posted here to get more people to defend.

Can everyone here that think Tilda did the right thing honestly say they would never DREAM of calling a friend, sending a friend an icq-message, or post on irc, if an enemy realm ported an RR force into your realm and you spotted em? And be honest.

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by noaim
I have to ask you something. How many people do you think browse these forums, really?

Why dont you, tomorrow at the time of todays event, log on and check how many browers there is here.

If it is enough to screw a relic raid, then sue me, if not, I can sue you ok?

Considering all the fucking "To: X" "We owned you" threads that stays on the forums, it is a fucking shame a valid thread that has to do with the game gets deleted.

And as I said many times before, by Tildas way of reasoning, dragonraid-threads shouldnt be allowed either, but did she delete albs dragon-raids thread? No, she put a sticky on it...so noone can say "ohh but you gotta report the thread to a mod, we cant read all threads" and so on. It is clearly abuse of power, nothing else.

One last thing. What do you consider has the biggest chance of ruining something? People reading about a planned PvE-raid, and planning a RR against given realm, when they are away, or a thread like this?

Lots of traffic passes here, regular players pass here all the time, it's 2.41 am gmt and I can see it's pretty busy, unless I refresh every x seconds I couldn't tell for sure but I would guess it's pretty high!

Considering that we shouldn't even be telling the guy in mid sitting next to us what's going on within alb then I think restricting the info is a good thing. Any raid threads on mobs that are posted a week in advance are stupid yes, worth deleting no, if only because enough people would say "hang on, we can't do it at this time cos invaders will try their luck".

Once a raid is in progress I think it's better left to those ingame to deal with, not log out and post here about it.

Tilda might well have abused mod powers, might well have had their own agenda but I still think it's a good common sense thing to do, hell we had a dragon raid thread posted and I didn't hear a thing about it while ingame!
Rather than looking at it as a forum ettiquete issue where game.net have their own rules as an impartial third party, I think that it's better viewed as an information distribution method that should not be abused where the nature of daoc is concerned.

I just feel it was a good course of action taken to preserve the nature of the game, a little less letter and a little more spirit is a nice change

By some peoples reckoning the albs would have had no cause to whine had someone posted here with the loc of the afk albs in collory

Ok ok just saying a relic raid is in progress is a little hazy on the details and posting the loc, numbers, height weight and dick length (and breast size for all those rl ladies out there ) of all those involved might be a little too far but it's still not good for the game is it?

 

[Tranquil-]

If I saw a relicraid in progress I would spam /as and people from every major guild. I would NOT post screenshots and tell about it on BW nor on IRC. If people aren't online on daoc they miss out, and they should.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by elerand
Ok ok just saying a relic raid is in progress is a little hazy on the details and posting the loc, numbers, height weight and dick length (and breast size for all those rl ladies out there ) of all those involved might be a little too far but it's still not good for the game is it?

Exactly.

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by noaim
And how is it wrong trying to get people to defense AFTER we found out about the raid in a valid way?

It is not like if we had a spy, or an alb posting here. An SB spotted you, we found out, and someone posted here to get more people to defend.

Can everyone here that think Tilda did the right thing honestly say they would never DREAM of calling a friend, sending a friend an icq-message, or post on irc, if an enemy realm ported an RR force into your realm and you spotted em? And be honest.

I'll be honest, I wouldn't log off to look for support and I don't even use IRC.

Not to say if I happend to be ld, see a friend on msn that I wouldn't say hey, some rr going on log on and lets kick some ass but then at least it's not being passed on for everyone in 3 realms to take advantage of. Posting that could have brought hibs along to camp the milegate and then we would have a nice looooong whine thread about that too

Passing on a msg to someone personally, out of game is fine I think, to the world at large I don't agree.

Jeez, we even have to hide details of raids to the last hour cos every realm has spys and that's a fact, best to do everything possible to make sure everyone has the fun that's intended, it's not just goal oriented.

 

[Exiled]

albs do the exact same in irc, whats the problem ? i dont see ppl in irc caring, or banning ppl from it, tilda you were wrong, you biast mod you

 

[Tranquil-]

Except on irc everyone does it and there are no moderators with responsibility. Thus it has nothing to do with this.

 

[Karnage]

i think the point Damini was putting across was that you have to REPORT a post for it to be closed.

has anyone reported for example the one about BG3?

if not then kindly get off your high horse, stfu and carry on playing DAoC

 

[Elixir]

I kinda understand why Tilda deleted the post....

So well made decision Tilda

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by elerand


Passing on a msg to someone personally, out of game is fine I think, to the world at large I don't agree.

Either you use ingame communication and ingame communication only, or you contact people outside the game.

How do you know your friend dont have 3 friends online than can also help. And they might also have a friend each.

There, now you got the numbers that would browse these forums and rush to help, the MAX numbers. I doubt any more than around 5-7 would come.

So these 5 gets to be there to fight in a large battle...but the raiders get 5 extra defenders...now, is the raiders being screwed over, or do 5 more people get some fun?

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by ASq.Karnage
i think the point Damini was putting across was that you have to REPORT a post for it to be closed.

has anyone reported for example the one about BG3?

if not then kindly get off your high horse, stfu and carry on playing DAoC

Did anyone report Herjulfs thread?

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by Ambulance
No one did know about it until it was posted here !



No, this post was posted exactlly for that purpose to alert people of a raid at that present time and for people to log off and defend there relics.

Was it because the A and S keys of the mid in question are broken?

 

[Karnage]

Originally posted by noaim
Did anyone report Herjulfs thread?

yes

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by noaim
And how is it wrong trying to get people to defense AFTER we found out about the raid in a valid way?

It is not like if we had a spy, or an alb posting here. An SB spotted you, we found out, and someone posted here to get more people to defend.

Can everyone here that think Tilda did the right thing honestly say they would never DREAM of calling a friend, sending a friend an icq-message, or post on irc, if an enemy realm ported an RR force into your realm and you spotted em? And be honest.

Think about it logically Noaim.
As we currently hold 5 relics, and midgard is really very proud of it's call-to-arms ability (and rightly so I might add) how smart is it to see a *cough* Relic Raid force (gotta agree with Aussie about the numbers in the pic - Wow) and announce it to all and sundry.

Think. If I were a hibbie and read it i'd say saddle up, we can blindside them.

What Tilda did can easily be thought of as anti-alb. Couldn't more albs have joined the (I say again totally lame) RR force that was there from reading the post?
Couldn't the hibs have attacked stretching mid forces 2 ways making it easier for either one of them, and resulting in more balanced Relic status?

The people that need to THINK are the ones against the removal of the post, regardless of whether it breaks any unwritten, moral, sporting code, it's just plan stupid of any mid to deal info that weakens that realm, and as I'm in the same alliance as the originator, I will makes sure the alliance leaders are aware of my views.

Just play the sodding game and stop arguing about it.

What's next? Nerf mods?

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by noaim
Besides, you can aswell post a relicraid as an event there, it isnt limited to PvE-raids as far as I can see.

It would be fucking stupid to do it, but you are allowed to?

Therefor, using your own argument, this thread was not cross realm communication.

You wanna stop making a fool out of yourself now or you wanna go on?

As I mentioned in another thread, there is realm-private events located there also...

Out of interest, has anyone ever actually seen RR info posted on the townsquare? I'm thinking it would get moved, but hey I might be wrong.

They are incorporating a check box or something to say it's a RR, probably to make sure it goes to the correct section automatically - private.

To answer another part of one of your posts about contacting ppl IRL, during this raid i'm hardly likely to ring up a hib mate and tell him *wink* albs RR'ing us, your guys can come and do us in the backside whilst we take the albs in the mouth are we?

This is effectively what the orignal post was doing.

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by noaim
Either you use ingame communication and ingame communication only, or you contact people outside the game.

How do you know your friend dont have 3 friends online than can also help. And they might also have a friend each.

There, now you got the numbers that would browse these forums and rush to help, the MAX numbers. I doubt any more than around 5-7 would come.

So these 5 gets to be there to fight in a large battle...but the raiders get 5 extra defenders...now, is the raiders being screwed over, or do 5 more people get some fun?

Err, only at the slowest weekday or really late night periods have I seen less than 2 people browsing the forums, I'll say again however that you can't tell while on one page who is there, since you would have to constantly refresh and people may be moving in and out of one page to another.

I still say, as much for the future as anything else, that posting on BW about a raid in progress is lame, it's bad for the game.

The potential for mischief is rather high and best avoided, lets keep it in game. IRC is a non-entity for me, I don't partake of the daoc community outside this forum unless I'm ingame and thus do not have an army of daoc "buddies", my choice strictly speaking, love lots of ya but I like my rl to be kept irl

I don't think passing the word on to your own mates thru messengers is too terrible (it's not public, they are players in your own realm and thus I believe not breaking the CoC), I do think using BW is a major pain for everyone involved, otherwise we start getting counter threads with the title "albs doing a relic raid right now! come help" then we bitch and whine about that, the whines will never stop but lets not make it any worse than it is eh

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by kaod

To answer another part of one of your posts about contacting ppl IRL, during this raid i'm hardly likely to ring up a hib mate and tell him *wink* albs RR'ing us, your guys can come and do us in the backside whilst we take the albs in the mouth are we?

Unless you like it like that

Ohh yeah baby!!! Giv it to meh

I don't need a relic raid to feel like that anyway, I get fooked as soon as I set foot in any frontier