Rangers..

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by healer_mcheal
Then jox woke up

With a guy.

 

[kirennia]

Just HAD to point and laugh about these 2 comments really. Both trying to defend their class but thinking about whats said, they are in fact fighting in the wrong corners.

Originally posted by behatch
why dont u suggest how we get some info Mr know it all,fair enough your defending your class but lol surely inside your thick skull you have thought,wow i would have died if i didnt land DF,yes thats pretty much the case in all fights but as i'm not really bothered if its gets nerfed with all this MA bs,by the time df is nerfed casters will be WTFPWNin

So you're saying that if infs didnt have DF they would loose very often? Surely if that's the case then they NEED DF to be a viable fighter

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Burden of proof is on the accuser.

And actually number of fights i turned around because of DF? RR4 atm and I can think of 2 I would have lost without it. May be more but 2 stick in my mind.

And you saying you don't need DF most of the time is in fact admitting you don't need it to compete.



So now we've got a SB who portrays that DF is needed and an inf who says they shouldn't need it to win.....now I'm confused

 

[kirennia]

Re: pff

Originally posted by asar
I repeat:
Damn... im tried my best here on this thread to AVAOID DF WHINES!!! i tried several minutes to find sentances that are NOWHERE close to DF! .. and still.... at the 2nd post... bam! df and othger things are launched...

After all this nerfing is done we'll see this:
<nme hits u for 1(-100000) dmg>
<u hit nme for 1(-100000) dmg>
and no it aint becasue high resists.

so nerf the nerfs and nerf your nerf whiners.. u nerfer
(allways wanted to say that)

AND NOW STICK TO TOPIC OR MAKE an ;
GAME.net Forums > RTS & RPG - Real Time Strategy & Role Playing Games > Dark Age of Camelot > Excalibur > Whine & Nerf link orso! geeeez

oooh also m8, if you didn't want such whines, you probably shoulda posted it on the right forum...hib/excal for information

 

[healer_mcheal]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
With a guy.

zytx. and he had a lubed up condom hanging from his anus

 

[nalistah]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
As stupid as a person who when asked for proof to back up his point just gibbers, slobbers and shouts - hoping that no-one has actually noticed that yet again he hasn't backed up or substantiated a thing he's claimed.

Because for someone to do that they'd have to be pretty fkn stupid don't you think?

You see my point, folks?
He is full of bullshit and denial.

I will just quote your dear realmmate, i think he said something very good before.

Originally posted by loxleyhood
Dragonfang

Dragonfang is overpowered. Everybody in the world is aware of this, from the little Shadowblades to the Queen herself in Buckingham fucking palace. Popular reasons for dragonfang (thats dragonfang, not dragon fang) being overpowered are 1) The stun is too long, 2) having it as an evade reactionary is overpowered on a class that can easily cap evade 3) wtf! I don't have dragonfang! 4) Im a Shadowblade. Please kill me...... god, please make it stop.
The counter argument for dragonfang is that you need to be delicate when nerfing it. It is undeniabley overpowered in the hands of Infiltrators (but only after 1.62, huh) but Scouts and Mercenaries also make use of it, and in their hands, with lower evade, it is not such an issue. Also, the primary dragonfang whiners are Shadowblades and Nightshades, you should be aware; evade is halved vs. dual wield, so you're not actually the ones suffering the worst from this. Think of the hunters, wont somebody think of the hunters?!
Dragonfang is likely to be adressed in the style review, which Mythic has said is yet to come. Sit tight kids.

But then again, THERE STILL IS stupid persons out there, and you are a VERY GOOD example, Donttouchmyoverpoweredragonfang.
Some people just dont know what common sense is.

You just make me laugh so hard everytime u try to backup DF with your "I WANT PROOF! HARD DATA!! YES!! PROOF! HARD DATA!!" etc etc


I think that you should come with some PROOFS/HARD DATA!11/FACTS that Dragonfang is totally balanced instead.

 

[Demolay]

rangers cuddly

 

[adari]

Originally posted by asar
Im just wondering if a ranger is specced:
Celtic Dual: 39
Piercing: 39
Pathfinding: 34
Recurve Bow: 40;
Chance to penetrate bladeturn for 75% dmg.
Rapid Fire 1 Release shot early; dmg % equal to timer %
Critical Shot 9
I mean damn. nice shooting then
(no stealth)

Won't it be an very good character then for in 1fg patrols?
When attacked it can fight properly.
When not attacked it can wtfpwn with his bow.
And at keeps it can defend nice....
and ofc it has self buffs so u can spend con to sum other things.

Please tell me if im wrong/right? (prolly wrong though )

first of all, good luck trying to find a group as a ranger

but anyway, if ur runningin a gg or something, drop path to 9 or 16 for speed chant, no need for shitty buffs when j00 have a druid bard etc get 44 pierce at least too

 

[jox]

Originally posted by succi
yeah , sure..

If I slay 96-97% of all players with a sb post 1.62 why wouldnt I do even better with NS?

AP is completely fucking overpowered, its even better than Dragonfang.

A rr 9 ns owns a rr 9 infil, if he knows what he is doing.

But then again; what would you know about it? only times you come near stealthers is when you steamroll them with your fotm-group.

 

[loxleyhood]

Whats a rr9 NS?

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
And after weeks, nay months, of asking for the slighest bit of proof to support your opinion on DF no-one on this board or in the US has been able to provide any.

I wonder why that could be?

now im asking you for proof that Df isnt overpowered. The majority of people including albs and alb stealthers openly admit DF is overpowered.

Would you consider balance being a rr2/3 inf beating a rr7/8 sb purely down to DF?

From asking NS/SB and ive spoken to the reason most lose is DF, if purge isnt up they are as good as dead off 1 evade. Some of more honest Infs say its overpowered, the majority of infs i spoke to admit the main reason they win is DF alot of thetime.

So here you have 2 realms say the main reason they lose is this style, and the realm that has it says its one of the main reasons why they win, and this doesnt give any indication to you that this style is overpowered?

How about you go away and do some tests to prove everyone here wrong about DF, since your one of the very few who actually believe this style is balanced on an assasin.

Go do some duels, preferably about 20 and come and tell us how many you won/lost, and the ones you won what % was DF the deciding factor.

 

[asar]

Re: Re: pff

Originally posted by behatch
ever post MUST contain a wajn about df,its the unwritten rules of bw

Oh thnx 4 making it clear to meh

 

[jox]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
With a guy.

I sense gayhatred... other minoritys you wanna piss on also? what is next? black people? idiot.

Cant understand why people waiste time to argue with a retard like you...

A teenage with some sort of brain disorder...

I WANNA DATA, I WANNA DATA, PROOF, I WANNA PROF... why dont you just shut the fuck up?

lol, its so retarded. Knowledge is all about experience. I have a rr 9 sb, I have been fighting infils for ages and I can say; based on experience that Dragonfang is overpowered. So can zillions of other stealthers also say, based on experience.

So lets say when a former drug addict comes to your school and tell you about what drugs can do to body and soul, tells you that drugs can be very very dangerous, and tells you about the hell he have experienced you just sit there and say; that is not a proof, I want data, gimme data, I want proof, drugs aint dangerous, lol.

You are by far the most stupid fucker I have ever seen on a game board.

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by Rollie
now im asking you for proof that Df isnt overpowered. The majority of people including albs and alb stealthers openly admit DF is overpowered.

Would you consider balance being a rr2/3 inf beating a rr7/8 sb purely down to DF?

From asking NS/SB and ive spoken to the reason most lose is DF, if purge isnt up they are as good as dead off 1 evade. Some of more honest Infs say its overpowered, the majority of infs i spoke to admit the main reason they win is DF alot of thetime.

So here you have 2 realms say the main reason they lose is this style, and the realm that has it says its one of the main reasons why they win, and this doesnt give any indication to you that this style is overpowered?

How about you go away and do some tests to prove everyone here wrong about DF, since your one of the very few who actually believe this style is balanced on an assasin.

Go do some duels, preferably about 20 and come and tell us how many you won/lost, and the ones you won what % was DF the deciding factor.

Sigh - how many frickin times!

Mythic assume verything is OK and balanced UNLES PROVEN OTHERWISE. This means they assume there classes are fine unless you prove they're not. Just because someone thinks a style is overpowered does not mean it is. You have to prove something is out of line - not assume it is until someone proves it is not. To assume DF is overpowered and then ask for proof it isn't is entirely illogical - you then assume all classes and all styles are overpowered and have to prove they are not. So bu your logic, SBs are overpowered, as are healers, as are skalds; care to prove they are not?

 

[darbey]

Jesus how many times does it have to be said? The Guy posts about his ranger spec (all be in in probably the wrong board) and you completely turn it into another df whine. Some of u guys are like stuck ffin records. Either start your own thread or post on the numerous whines raised before. I really dont want to read through your crappy off topic discussion which has all been said lots before to find any interesting points on the topic in hand. Its not dificult really, just click new post.

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by nalistah
You see my point, folks?
He is full of bullshit and denial.

I will just quote your dear realmmate, i think he said something very good before.



But then again, THERE STILL IS stupid persons out there, and you are a VERY GOOD example, Donttouchmyoverpoweredragonfang.
Some people just dont know what common sense is.

You just make me laugh so hard everytime u try to backup DF with your "I WANT PROOF! HARD DATA!! YES!! PROOF! HARD DATA!!" etc etc


I think that you should come with some PROOFS/HARD DATA!11/FACTS that Dragonfang is totally balanced instead.

So at which point did you post any proof monkeyboy?

Eveyone is entitled to their opinion, but mythic acts on hard evidence. Whine all you like here - gets nothing changed.

 

[behatch]

Originally posted by kirennia
Just HAD to point and laugh about these 2 comments really. Both trying to defend their class but thinking about whats said, they are in fact fighting in the wrong corners.




So you're saying that if infs didnt have DF they would loose very often? Surely if that's the case then they NEED DF to be a viable fighter



And you saying you don't need DF most of the time is in fact admitting you don't need it to compete.



So now we've got a SB who portrays that DF is needed and an inf who says they shouldn't need it to win.....now I'm confused

nope if they have df'd removed it would give us more of a chance as there overall damage is higher than ours and we got 10% from relics...with df they can strip 1500 hp easy

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Sigh - how many frickin times!

Mythic assume verything is OK and balanced UNLES PROVEN OTHERWISE. This means they assume there classes are fine unless you prove they're not. Just because someone thinks a style is overpowered does not mean it is. You have to prove something is out of line - not assume it is until someone proves it is not. To assume DF is overpowered and then ask for proof it isn't is entirely illogical - you then assume all classes and all styles are overpowered and have to prove they are not. So bu your logic, SBs are overpowered, as are healers, as are skalds; care to prove they are not?

I dont assume, the majority of people think so, even those of your own class, mythic will get round to fixing DF im sure of that, you notice how few of your inf friends back up anything you say on here? any idea why? or is it you actually dont want to listen to what anyone has to say and just put your fingers in your ears and yell "bla bla bla"

you didnt answer my question so here :

Would you consider balance being a rr2/3 inf beating a rr7/8 sb purely down to DF?

From asking NS/SB and ive spoken to the reason most lose is DF, if purge isnt up they are as good as dead off 1 evade. Some of more honest Infs say its overpowered, the majority of infs i spoke to admit the main reason they win is DF alot of thetime.

So here you have 2 realms say the main reason they lose is this style, and the realm that has it says its one of the main reasons why they win, and this doesnt give any indication to you that this style is overpowered?

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by Rollie
I dont assume, the majority of people think so, even those of your own class, mythic will get round to fixing DF im sure of that, you notice how few of your inf friends back up anything you say on here? any idea why? or is it you actually dont want to listen to what anyone has to say and just put your fingers in your ears and yell "bla bla bla"

you didnt answer my question so here :

Would you consider balance being a rr2/3 inf beating a rr7/8 sb purely down to DF?

From asking NS/SB and ive spoken to the reason most lose is DF, if purge isnt up they are as good as dead off 1 evade. Some of more honest Infs say its overpowered, the majority of infs i spoke to admit the main reason they win is DF alot of thetime.

So here you have 2 realms say the main reason they lose is this style, and the realm that has it says its one of the main reasons why they win, and this doesnt give any indication to you that this style is overpowered?

Yes you do assume.

When phrases like 'everyone knows' or 'the majority think' or 'its common knowledge' are used it normally means the exact opposite - that a few people believe a certain thing but have nothing to back it up.

According to 'common knowledge' on these boards and US SBs never win a fight, infils DF 1st shot of every fight then proceed to inflict 1500 points of damage before it wears off.

I reiterate my position: I do not say Df is more powerful, less powerful or just plain fine. What I say is that no-one has established and substantiated the position that it is not fine. Oh they believe it, but believing it does not make it either true or fact.

Ask yourself that, despite 'everyone knowing' that its too powerful, why has no-one been able to prove it is either here or in the US (where theres a test server configured especially to test issue such as this). That no proof exist casts doubts on what 'everyone' believes, and that 'everyone' cannot provide any proof also makes the position questionable.

As I've stated here many times, whine and believe what you will. Mythic assumes balance unless proven otherwise. Whining here (and on the vnboards) gets you nothing. Posting facts, data and proof to mythic gets you changes.

 

[healer_mcheal]

lol lots of rr9 ns running about on exc ;d

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Yes you do assume.

When phrases like 'everyone knows' or 'the majority think' or 'its common knowledge' are used it normally means the exact opposite - that a few people believe a certain thing but have nothing to back it up.

According to 'common knowledge' on these boards and US SBs never win a fight, infils DF 1st shot of every fight then proceed to inflict 1500 points of damage before it wears off.

I reiterate my position: I do not say Df is more powerful, less powerful or just plain fine. What I say is that no-one has established and substantiated the position that it is not fine. Oh they believe it, but believing it does not make it either true or fact.

Ask yourself that, despite 'everyone knowing' that its too powerful, why has no-one been able to prove it is either here or in the US (where theres a test server configured especially to test issue such as this). That no proof exist casts doubts on what 'everyone' believes, and that 'everyone' cannot provide any proof also makes the position questionable.

As I've stated here many times, whine and believe what you will. Mythic assumes balance unless proven otherwise. Whining here (and on the vnboards) gets you nothing. Posting facts, data and proof to mythic gets you changes.

ok making it simple for you since you refuse to admit df is overpowered and hide behind no one has any proof, if thats the case take this scenario.

in a 30 min period so purge is available once, and over 5 fights how many times do you think a rr2/3 inf would beat a rr6/7 sb?

and to switch scenario's how many times over a 30 min period and 5 fights would a rr2/3 sb kill a rr6/7 inf

both being full buffed to give a fair scenario.

My prediction is the rr2/3 inf would beat the rr6/7 sb 2-3 times where as i couldnt see a rr2/3sb beating a rr6/7 inf at all.

I asked a rr8/9 inf in #stealthzerg what % of wins was DF the deciding factor this is the reply.

[11:58] <Polly_Elajt> tbh Morphene|Rollie, I relied on DF a lot more as a critfil, but DS hurts a lot more/quicker, DF just speeds up the rp's

Does this say anything to u?

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by Rollie
ok making it simple for you since you refuse to admit df is overpowered and hide behind no one has any proof, if thats the case take this scenario.

in a 30 min period so purge is available once, and over 5 fights how many times do you think a rr2/3 inf would beat a rr6/7 sb?

and to switch scenario's how many times over a 30 min period and 5 fights would a rr2/3 sb kill a rr6/7 inf

both being full buffed to give a fair scenario.

My prediction is the rr2/3 inf would beat the rr6/7 sb 2-3 times where as i couldnt see a rr2/3sb beating a rr6/7 inf at all.

Pure speculation and too many unknowns. Set it up and test it.

Unbuffed I'd say the rr2/3 would lose all 5 in both scenarios - the 6/7 has just too many advantages in RAs, damage output and improved defence.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Pure speculation and too many unknowns. Set it up and test it.

Unbuffed I'd say the rr2/3 would lose all 5 in both scenarios - the 6/7 has just too many advantages in RAs, damage output and improved defence.

as i said they are both buffed, like 95% of stealthers are nowadays, can you answer the question i gave you please.

Please dont avoid the question by saying "too many unknowns".

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by Rollie
as i said they are both buffed, like 95% of stealthers are nowadays, can you answer the question i gave you please.

Please dont avoid the question by saying "too many unknowns".

I did. 5-0 to the higher rr assassin in both scenarios for the reasons stated above.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
I did. 5-0 to the higher rr assassin in both scenarios for the reasons stated above.

funny, when my scout dinged 50 a guildie of mine dinged 50 on his inf, i was amazed how he could run out and at times beat higher RR sb/ns in odins and emain with little trouble.

Ill repost this from a rr8/9 which i asked about DF today in #stealthzerg, question was : what % of wins do you think DF was the deciding factor.

[11:58] <Polly_Elajt> tbh Morphene|Rollie, I relied on DF a lot more as a critfil, but DS hurts a lot more/quicker, DF just speeds up the rp's

Like to focus on the "Df just speeds up the rp's", any idea why a rr8/9 inf would post this? or does every inf about know something you dont?

Your answer was exactly as i predicted tbh, its simply not possible to have a discussion with you on a truthful level cause no matter what you avoid questions or reword them or blatently lie in your answers, i know for a fact a rr2/3 inf can beat a rr6/7 sb if the sb has purge down, cause ive seen infs do it and heard infs in /gu say it.

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by Rollie
funny, when my scout dinged 50 a guildie of mine dinged 50 on his inf, i was amazed how he could run out and at times beat higher RR sb/ns in odins and emain with little trouble.

Ill repost this from a rr8/9 which i asked about DF today in #stealthzerg, question was : what % of wins do you think DF was the deciding factor.

[11:58] <Polly_Elajt> tbh Morphene|Rollie, I relied on DF a lot more as a critfil, but DS hurts a lot more/quicker, DF just speeds up the rp's

Like to focus on the "Df just speeds up the rp's", any idea why a rr8/9 inf would post this? or does every inf about know something you dont?

Your answer was exactly as i predicted tbh, its simply not possible to have a discussion with you on a truthful level cause no matter what you avoid questions or reword them or blatently lie in your answers, i know for a fact a rr2/3 inf can beat a rr6/7 sb if the sb has purge down, cause ive seen infs do it and heard infs in /gu say it.

Talk about biased and narrow minded!

That I disagree with you, state neutral positions and look for open discussion and facts ad maybe disagree means that you won't discuss the issues.

Elajt - usually buffed to the hilt and the highest rr infil I know of on excal. Not the norm by definition. And there you go again - 'everyone' does not know this. 1 person in a unique position states 1 perspective and you generalise hugely! Talk about a false synergism!

I'm only RR4. 1v1 on equal buffed status I have never ever beaten a SB/NS 2 or more rrs higher than me. Now that doesn't mean that scenario applies to everyone. Nor does the scenarion above apply to more than 1 person.

Be careful with phrase like 'everyone knows' and 'everyone says', or giving single examples to try and make a case. Next time a SB kicks my ass should I assume they are overpowered and scream for nerfs based on 1 instance.

DF - your opinion remains an opinion. It is unproven.

 

[nalistah]

Do you understand how laughed at you are going to be the day Mythic going public with dragonfang-nerf, DonttouchmylowIQ?
Im saving some of your statements, and im gonna show em up your face that day. But then again.. you are just a fakenicker here on BW, that doesnt dare to say who he is in game.

My guess is that we will never see Donttouchpoopy here on BW again after DF got nerfed. He will just make another fakenickAcc and start to bullshit and get laughed at again, disguised behind other letters.

You are just too sad.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Talk about biased and narrow minded!

That I disagree with you, state neutral positions and look for open discussion and facts ad maybe disagree means that you won't discuss the issues.

No you dont answer questions put to you, instead you try to give exscuses on why you dont answer that question.

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Elajt - usually buffed to the hilt and the highest rr infil I know of on excal. Not the norm by definition. And there you go again - 'everyone' does not know this. 1 person in a unique position states 1 perspective and you generalise hugely! Talk about a false synergism!

Buffed like 95% of all stealthers and high rr so he obviously knows what he is talking about, look at the comment i provided you, its perfectly clear in that comment that he refers to Df as a quick way of gaining RP, yet once again instead of answering the question put to you, you try to give reason for not answering it by questioning the scenario.

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
I'm only RR4. 1v1 on equal buffed status I have never ever beaten a SB/NS 2 or more rrs higher than me. Now that doesn't mean that scenario applies to everyone. Nor does the scenarion above apply to more than 1 person.

Dont play in epic armor, i beat 1 or 2 rr5/6 ns/sb on my scout when we was rr3/4 so if you cant do that with an inf on an equally buffed opponent then you need help.

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Be careful with phrase like 'everyone knows' and 'everyone says', or giving single examples to try and make a case. Next time a SB kicks my ass should I assume they are overpowered and scream for nerfs based on 1 instance.

DF - your opinion remains an opinion. It is unproven.

I tend to use "the majority" as thats what the "majority" of people i have spoke to have said including infiltrators

Ok this post was total crap, you havent even tried answering anything just give exscuses of why you cant answer it such as the Elajt comment.

Who is your in-game char btw so i know who im addressing?

 

[Driwen]

Rollie donttouchpoopy isnt buffed most of the times in RvR, so his equally buffed status is a slightly different fight from what most people do. Normally infil has the slight advantage of the spec AF buff in fights, where as donttouchpoopy doesnt so his stories about who he can beat and not, isnt really important as it means nothing to what the average infil vs sb fight would be.

 

[belth]

It's cool that Mythic always balances everything around stealthers.

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by nalistah
Do you understand how laughed at you are going to be the day Mythic going public with dragonfang-nerf, DonttouchmylowIQ?
Im saving some of your statements, and im gonna show em up your face that day. But then again.. you are just a fakenicker here on BW, that doesnt dare to say who he is in game.

My guess is that we will never see Donttouchpoopy here on BW again after DF got nerfed. He will just make another fakenickAcc and start to bullshit and get laughed at again, disguised behind other letters.

You are just too sad.

Nalistah - you're an ass. Even your own guild think you're an ass. You survive my hugging Jaond's coat tails and lurking at amg.

When you develop something of a rudimentary IQ, and learn to read you'll be worth responding to. Until then carry on emabarressing yourself, you sub literate mouth breather.